Speculation: 2022-23 Management/Coaching/Ownership

[MMC]

I think Verbeek is following the Detroit model and feels the ducks need 1-2 years of high draft picks to finish the rebuild. Hard to disagree with that given the current roster and the ETA for some of the ducks younger prospects (Zell and the other young d-men).

Even though we’ve been bad for several years now, we never really quite got the young talent injections that other teams got over the same span, because BM didn't do that much selling. Other teams, like the Wings and others over the last several bad seasons got multiple 1sts, 2nds, 3rds, and prospects back every deadline in trades, we got the additional 1sts in 2019 and 2020 but that's about it. I can definitely understand why PV would want to inject our core with deep 2022 and 2023 drafts, and at this point I think people just need to accept it. I'm not making harsh judgements either way about the direction of this team, but a new one was definitely needed. If this team does not look competitive in 23-24, I think it's fair to be concerned with the direction of the team.

 

[duckpuck]

The roster construction is on Verbeek, not Eakins. Regenda and Leason are what Eakins had to tinker with. Woohoo.

On a contender, it’s likely none of our defensemen would even play on the PK. Maybe Fowler in the 2nd group, maybe Kulikov. Drysdale, Klingberg, Shattenkirk- never. Beaulieu,, Benoit - will be in the press box or the AHL affiliate.

The assistant coaches run the PP and PK.

Virtually none of these players have significant playing time together, and are coming from a bunch of different systems, and this is a different system, likely put together to try to meld together this roster of misfit toys. Nobody wants to listen to actually hockey people that say that requires 20+ (Elliot said 40+ I believe) games to actually come together.

This isn’t a mostly intact roster that adds a few guys. This is a completely different team. And the play is improving. Shots are coming down. They have been competitive in a couple. We have won once in Vegas since Vegas has existed I think, not gonna take a lot out of that. Toronto SHOULD smoke this roster.

As far as it’s all on the coaches, I think that player effort to learn the new system is equally at fault. The coaches don’t make you skate into each other, and they aren’t coaching a system that makes you do that either.

You ignore that I was evaluating Eakins based on multiple years, not just this year.

Who is responsible for the assistant coaches performance? Eakins (and Verbeek). But to be more specific, again the PK approach is just awful. That is coaching.

We probably agree on roster construction. Doesn't change the fact that the team is underachieving based on its current roster. And for the record, I wasn't saying Eakins should be fired now. But I think he's a big part of the problem.

Even though we’ve been bad for several years now, we never really quite got the young talent injections that other teams got over the same span, because BM didn't do that much selling. Other teams, like the Wings and others over the last several bad seasons got multiple 1sts, 2nds, 3rds, and prospects back every deadline in trades, we got the additional 1sts in 2019 and 2020 but that's about it. I can definitely understand why PV would want to inject our core with deep 2022 and 2023 drafts, and at this point I think people just need to accept it. I'm not making harsh judgements either way about the direction of this team, but a new one was definitely needed. If this team does not look competitive in 23-24, I think it's fair to be concerned with the direction of the team.

I can agree with this, particularly the bolded part.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Even though we’ve been bad for several years now, we never really quite got the young talent injections that other teams got over the same span, because BM didn't do that much selling. Other teams, like the Wings and others over the last several bad seasons got multiple 1sts, 2nds, 3rds, and prospects back every deadline in trades, we got the additional 1sts in 2019 and 2020 but that's about it. I can definitely understand why PV would want to inject our core with deep 2022 and 2023 drafts, and at this point I think people just need to accept it. I'm not making harsh judgements either way about the direction of this team, but a new one was definitely needed. If this team does not look competitive in 23-24, I think it's fair to be concerned with the direction of the team.

This makes no sense.

Last playoff appearance: 2017-18
In fact, the Ducks have been playoff bound for six consecutive seasons (2012-13 to 2017-18) and won five consecutive Pacific Division titles. What does that mean? That mean our own draft pick would be in the 20's for six consecutive seasons.

Dec 3, 2018: Ducks trade D Pettersson for F Sprong to give Carlyle more offense on the team.

Rebuild start date: 2018-19 TDL

2019 Draft:

#9, C Zegras --> Already in the NHL, superstar potential​

#29 LW Tracey (** also acquired LD Guhle in trade)​

Rd 2. LD/RD LaCombe​

Rd 4. LD Thrun​

2020 Draft:

#6. RD Drysdale --> Already in the NHL, top-4 D potential​

#27. RW Perreault (** also acquired RD Andersson in trade)​

Rd 2. RW Colangelo​

Rd 3. RD Moore​

2021 Draft:

#3. C McTavish --> Already in the NHL (for now)​

Rd 2. LD/RD Zellweger​

RD 3. RW Pastujov​

Rd 3. LD Hinds​

Under Murray's rebuild, we have a lot of talent added to the team. What's this lie all about? Zegras finished 2nd in the Calder Race and Drysdale finished like 10th or something. During this whole off-season, including the WJC-20, everyone's raving how we stole the 2021 with both McTavish and Zellweger.

We had one of the top farm teams BEFORE Verbeek was signed.

The team didn't need more injection of talent in their pool if they retained their four UFA's. In fact, Murray hinted at the possibility of trading one of his NCAA prospects for talent if needed b/c all three were performing well in LaCombe, Thrun, and Moore. Not only that, but youths RW Terry and C Lundy broke out last year.

Let's stop this falseness that Murray didn't get talent during the three-year rebuild season. Terry and Zegras were our top two scorers last season, while Drysdale racked up 32 points in his full rookie season. McTavish and Zellweger pucked out last season in juniors and WJC-20s. All of the defensemen listed above in the past three drafts all look promising.

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Verbeek NEEDED to inject a boat load of draft picks because he got rid of a significant veteran core. At last year's TDL, I said Verbeek reset this team to year 2/3 of the rebuild. Verbeek isn't all about a balanced roster, which Murray was all about. Expecting a competitive team in 2023-24 sounds as promising as people believing we'd be a competitive team this year. Look at our roster on defense, three are UFA's, a bunch of 6/7s, and two mainstays in Fowler and Drysdale. Verbeek is looking for short term players because he's waiting on his youth group. Even Klingberg said to no on us initially on a short term deal.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

There’s the easy to root for young kid with the sex toy nickname, who’s really a 6-7D (168 hits last year).

What now?

 

[Ducks DVM]

What now?

If you spell his name phonetically, and follow it with “balls”, Google will provide an education

 

[Deuce22]

This makes no sense.

Last playoff appearance: 2017-18
In fact, the Ducks have been playoff bound for six consecutive seasons (2012-13 to 2017-18) and won five consecutive Pacific Division titles. What does that mean? That mean our own draft pick would be in the 20's for six consecutive seasons.

Dec 3, 2018: Ducks trade D Pettersson for F Sprong to give Carlyle more offense on the team.

Rebuild start date: 2018-19 TDL

2019 Draft:

#9, C Zegras --> Already in the NHL, superstar potential​

#29 LW Tracey (** also acquired LD Guhle in trade)​

Rd 2. LD/RD LaCombe​

Rd 4. LD Thrun​

2020 Draft:

#6. RD Drysdale --> Already in the NHL, top-4 D potential​

#27. RW Perreault (** also acquired RD Andersson in trade)​

Rd 2. RW Colangelo​

Rd 3. RD Moore​

2021 Draft:

#3. C McTavish --> Already in the NHL (for now)​

Rd 2. LD/RD Zellweger​

RD 3. RW Pastujov​

Rd 3. LD Hinds​

Under Murray's rebuild, we have a lot of talent added to the team. What's this lie all about? Zegras finished 2nd in the Calder Race and Drysdale finished like 10th or something. During this whole off-season, including the WJC-20, everyone's raving how we stole the 2021 with both McTavish and Zellweger.

We had one of the top farm teams BEFORE Verbeek was signed.

The team didn't need more injection of talent in their pool if they retained their four UFA's. In fact, Murray hinted at the possibility of trading one of his NCAA prospects for talent if needed b/c all three were performing well in LaCombe, Thrun, and Moore. Not only that, but youths RW Terry and C Lundy broke out last year.

Let's stop this falseness that Murray didn't get talent during the three-year rebuild season. Terry and Zegras were our top two scorers last season, while Drysdale racked up 32 points in his full rookie season. McTavish and Zellweger pucked out last season in juniors and WJC-20s. All of the defensemen listed above in the past three drafts all look promising.

==========

Verbeek NEEDED to inject a boat load of draft picks because he got rid of a significant veteran core. At last year's TDL, I said Verbeek reset this team to year 2/3 of the rebuild. Verbeek isn't all about a balanced roster, which Murray was all about. Expecting a competitive team in 2023-24 sounds as promising as people believing we'd be a competitive team this year. Look at our roster on defense, three are UFA's, a bunch of 6/7s, and two mainstays in Fowler and Drysdale. Verbeek is looking for short term players because he's waiting on his youth group. Even Klingberg said to no on us initially on a short term deal.

My definition of a rebuild isn't trying to be a playoff team while drafting young talent. That's treading water. What Verbeek is doing is a rebuild.

 

[Leonardo87]

If you spell his name phonetically, and follow it with “balls”, Google will provide an education

You seem to really know your sex toys, not judging, it’s all good.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

If you spell his name phonetically, and follow it with “balls”, Google will provide an education

I gotta say, I'm impressed. That's one hell of a pull

"Ben Wa balls have been used for centuries to strengthen vaginal and pelvic floor muscles."

 

[Ducks DVM]

Coaching, taking the coaching well, and results!

 

[Hockey Duckie]

My definition of a rebuild isn't trying to be a playoff team while drafting young talent. That's treading water. What Verbeek is doing is a rebuild.

I don't think you're abiding by your own definition of a rebuild.

Since TDL 2018-19...

2019 Draft: Draft slot 8th, but due to lottery, drafted 9th.​

2020 Draft: Draft slot 5th, but due to lottery, drafted 6th.​

2021 Draft: Draft slot 2nd, but due to lottery, drafted 3rd.​

It's painfully obvious we were in rebuild mode since 2018-19 TDL. We haven't added any top-end talents since 2018-19 TDL. Hence, the progressively worse draft slot each consecutive season.

What Verbeek did is replace players he lost at the TDL. Strome and Vatrano were solid top-6 forward additions, better than any additions we've added since the 2018-19 TDL. Klingberg was seen as a significant top talent signing during the off-season. Verbeek almost nabbed Nino too. It is apparent there's more NHL talent acquisition under Verbeek than Murray since the 2018-19 TDL.

The problem with Verbeek's roster acquisitions are the complete lack of balance from the lack of physicality to the lack of defensive-D.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

You seem to really know your sex toys, not judging, it’s all good.

 

[mighty Stanley Duck]

Thats not happening..

Considering how bad defensively we are, and now with Drysdale injury, I'm not sure there is small chance for that...if John plays decent this season i think there is reasonable chance he stays with us for at least 4-5 years...and becomes like big mentor for young guys-cliche that GM's like to throw here and there.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

Considering how bad defensively we are, and now with Drysdale injury, I'm not sure there is small chance for that...if John plays decent this season i think there is reasonable chance he stays with us for at least 4-5 years...and becomes like big mentor for young guys-cliche that GM's like to throw here and there.

Like I said even before we got him, if the idea is to get better defensively, Klingberg is so not the guy you want. Going forward he would essentially be the Shattenkirk replacement but make even more money. No thanks.

 

[Deuce22]

I don't think you're abiding by your own definition of a rebuild.

Since TDL 2018-19...

2019 Draft: Draft slot 8th, but due to lottery, drafted 9th.​

2020 Draft: Draft slot 5th, but due to lottery, drafted 6th.​

2021 Draft: Draft slot 2nd, but due to lottery, drafted 3rd.​

It's painfully obvious we were in rebuild mode since 2018-19 TDL. We haven't added any top-end talents since 2018-19 TDL. Hence, the progressively worse draft slot each consecutive season.

What Verbeek did is replace players he lost at the TDL. Strome and Vatrano were solid top-6 forward additions, better than any additions we've added since the 2018-19 TDL. Klingberg was seen as a significant top talent signing during the off-season. Verbeek almost nabbed Nino too. It is apparent there's more NHL talent acquisition under Verbeek than Murray since the 2018-19 TDL.

The problem with Verbeek's roster acquisitions are the complete lack of balance from the lack of physicality to the lack of defensive-D.

What defined the actual rebuild were the Rakell, Lindholm, and Manson trades. Which you have implied (strongly) wouldn't have happened under Murray.

 

[MMC]

Saying the Ducks started a rebuild because they sold Montour is essentially the same thing as saying the Rangers began a rebuild in the offseason because they traded Lundkvist

 

[DavidBL]

What defined the actual rebuild were the Rakell, Lindholm, and Manson trades. Which you have implied (strongly) wouldn't have happened under Murray.

Id say what defined our rebuild was drafting Z, Drysdale and McTavish. Prospects of high caliber which trading any of our existing players over the last 4 year would not and did not return.

 

[Deuce22]

Id say what defined our rebuild was drafting Z, Drysdale and McTavish. Prospects of high caliber which trading any of our existing players over the last 4 year would not and did not return.

I guess we have a different definition of rebuild. Drafting players in your slot is what just about everyone does. Nothing unique or intentional about it.

 

[MMC]

 

[pbgoalie]

With Drysdale out, Eakins will be thrilled to have Fowler fired his Nerf ball shot into shin pads on the power play

 

[bsu]

Prospects COULD develop in this nonsense... Just like a newborn COULD develop in a crackhouse.... Why not just get an actual NHL coach that will atleast teach some structure and strategy.... It's like we are literally running a pick up game with how out of position we always are, how "hard" we play and how little we hit/touch people. As other have said on here this is possibly the worse Ducks team I've ever seen. Talent wise probably not but the product on the ice. Anyone can see we are horribly coached and I don't care if you want to tank.... We can "tank" and still play the game the right way. It's an embarassment the effort we are getting from our vets including Henrique Fowler Klingberg Shattenkirk.

 

[DavidBL]

I guess we have a different definition of rebuild. Drafting players in your slot is what just about everyone does. Nothing unique or intentional about it.

And yet that is where the core of every rebuild comes from. The assets teams get from trading vets generally do not amount ti much in the way of actually helping the team. It's the side affect of trading good players away and making the team worse to get high draft picks. Well we got those anyway.

 

[Gliff]

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Not sure where this came from, but assuming it was like Forbes... Those estimates are always VERY wrong. Unless it is a public company there is no way anyone can have a legit estimate on revenue.

 

[MMC]

Not sure where this came from, but assuming it was like Forbes... Those estimates are always VERY wrong. Unless it is a public company there is no way anyone can have a legit estimate on revenue.

 

[Gliff]

Ya it's bullshit. Anyone who has been in the position to look at the books always say those estimates are complete bullshit.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Prospects COULD develop in this nonsense... Just like a newborn COULD develop in a crackhouse.... Why not just get an actual NHL coach that will atleast teach some structure and strategy.... It's like we are literally running a pick up game with how out of position we always are, how "hard" we play and how little we hit/touch people. As other have said on here this is possibly the worse Ducks team I've ever seen. Talent wise probably not but the product on the ice. Anyone can see we are horribly coached and I don't care if you want to tank.... We can "tank" and still play the game the right way. It's an embarassment the effort we are getting from our vets including Henrique Fowler Klingberg Shattenkirk.

This post needed to be made prior to the Sunday game or (potentially) after tonight’s game.