Mighty Makar
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I think being unique in the way Makar was especially with his potential matters. I don't think ROR as a comparison is even in the same ball park. Comparables do matter and there were literally none for Makar outside of a 20 game stretch in the playoffs by Miro and that 1 season by Fox.
I think contracts as a whole are changing personally and it's a different era but didn't EK sign his first big deal after his one big season? I could be remembering wrong but I thought it was similar to Fox where he had a good year or two than won the Norris and signed his big ticket. I think Doughty is more similar but even than going off memory didn't he have a down year right before his first big contract? I remember him having a Makar like sophomore year but than slowing down abit next season.
I agree with the overall point but I guess for me I think Makar could have made the system fair for him if he wanted too. I think Makar was uniquely good early in his career especially in the playoffs. I think his dynamic ability/skillset absolutely could have got him like the best forward if he wanted too. He basically gave Colorado zero leverage outside of his health.
Mighty Makar
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For shits and giggles I was looking at the Offersheet compensation on Cap Friendly and I thought of something...
If I was Arizona's GM, I would 100% be trying to sign Sandin to an Offersheet. 2 years at $2.1M(Structured as $1.7M in year 1 and $2.5M in year 2).
Up to $2,100,743 the compensation for an OS is just a single 3rd round pick. But the best part about that number, is if you OS Sandin for $2.1M, if Toronto matches they go to $3.593M over the salary cap which means that not even dumping Kerfoot would get them below the floor. They'd still be 93k over and on just a 22 man roster.
You would give them an incredibly tough choice of either matching to keep Sandin and having to do major roster reconstruction to get below the cap... Or you get a solid young Dman with legit Top 4 upside(And honestly in Arizona he'd already be a Top 4 guy for them) and all it costs you is a 3rd round pick.
Truthfully I'm really surprised a number of teams haven't done that yet. That $2.1M is such a painful number for the Leafs and the compensation would be so little. Any team with space right now could really put the pressure on them, whether its Arizona, Anaheim... Even a team like Buffalo who doesn't have a 3rd, but they could go higher and give Sandin say $2.75M for a 2nd round pick compensation(He'd fit will with Dahlin/Power as well).
I dunno, Sandin just seems like the perfect OS target right now and after the Aho and Kotkaniemi ones a couple years ago, I'm actually surprised we aren't seeing Sandin get one right now.
If I was Arizona's GM, I would 100% be trying to sign Sandin to an Offersheet. 2 years at $2.1M(Structured as $1.7M in year 1 and $2.5M in year 2).
Up to $2,100,743 the compensation for an OS is just a single 3rd round pick. But the best part about that number, is if you OS Sandin for $2.1M, if Toronto matches they go to $3.593M over the salary cap which means that not even dumping Kerfoot would get them below the floor. They'd still be 93k over and on just a 22 man roster.
You would give them an incredibly tough choice of either matching to keep Sandin and having to do major roster reconstruction to get below the cap... Or you get a solid young Dman with legit Top 4 upside(And honestly in Arizona he'd already be a Top 4 guy for them) and all it costs you is a 3rd round pick.
Truthfully I'm really surprised a number of teams haven't done that yet. That $2.1M is such a painful number for the Leafs and the compensation would be so little. Any team with space right now could really put the pressure on them, whether its Arizona, Anaheim... Even a team like Buffalo who doesn't have a 3rd, but they could go higher and give Sandin say $2.75M for a 2nd round pick compensation(He'd fit will with Dahlin/Power as well).
I dunno, Sandin just seems like the perfect OS target right now and after the Aho and Kotkaniemi ones a couple years ago, I'm actually surprised we aren't seeing Sandin get one right now.
Aho was odd though (plenty of behind the scenes weirdness) and Kotka was revenge. Teams really don’t like offer sheets.
Yeah I think the fact you're not seeing a guy like Sandin get an OS right now is such strong proof of that.
They so rarely work, but Sandin is almsot the perfect scenario to where one could actually work, and you'd be getting a good young Dman for so cheap as well.... The fact nobody is doing it makes it pretty obvious teams really dont like them.
Which is a shame because I think they're an underutilized tool for building a roster.
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Yeah, NHL GMs are collectively too gentile. The NHL really needs some disrupters to get hired at the GM level. I want to see some new GMs come in and start using offer sheets to make their teams better. I'm sure some players would be happy to sign.
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Long time Avs fan and lurker here. I’ve been pondering our 2C conundrum for this upcoming season and was wondering what some here think about a trade involving Yanni Gourde.
30 years old and makes 5.166M for the next 3 years. I would hate to part with Girard and probably wouldn’t do it if he was the main ask in return. Any hypothetical scenario the Avs may be interested?
30 years old and makes 5.166M for the next 3 years. I would hate to part with Girard and probably wouldn’t do it if he was the main ask in return. Any hypothetical scenario the Avs may be interested?
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Mighty Makar
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Freudian
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Getting his Avs championship gear online. For the ladies.
As for Avs, when is Phil Kessel signing a one year 1M deal with Avs?
I would personally drive Girard to the airport if it was a 1 for 1 trade that you just wrote
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Richard88
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NJ just re-signed Miles Wood ($3.2m x1) and now have a bit of a glut of forwards.
Unless they plan on starting the year with Holtz, Foote, and Thompson all in the AHL, or want to risk passing Zetterlund through waivers, I'd hazard a guess that they're looking to trade a forward.
Palat - Hughes - Bratt
Sharangovich - Hischier - Mercer
Tatar - Haula - Holtz
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Foote - Boqvist - Johnsson
Thompson - Zetterlund
Tatar and Johnsson are the obvious ones as pending UFA's, but I wonder if Sharangovich could be available, and if he'd be a legit 2C trade option for the Avs?
He's not the best at face-offs (40% last year) and his defense is suspect (though it's improving), but his lethal shot would be a pretty great weapon on a line with Lehkonen winning pucks and Rantanen as the playmaker.
At $2m x1 he'd be a perfect fit for the Avs roster this year as they could add him without needing to shed salary and still have $2.5m to cover bonuses with a 21 man roster, as per the capfriendly AGM linked below. In one year he's also still an RFA so his next contract will likely also be reasonable.
Should Newhook emerge as a legit 2C it would also be very easy to move Sharangovich to the wing where he's played a lot of the time for NJ.
Not sure what the price would be and even what the Avs could offer up to entice NJ to part with him though considering how few assets they have. Unless NJ like Olausson or Foudy the only piece of interest to them is probably the 2023 1st.
Unless they plan on starting the year with Holtz, Foote, and Thompson all in the AHL, or want to risk passing Zetterlund through waivers, I'd hazard a guess that they're looking to trade a forward.
Palat - Hughes - Bratt
Sharangovich - Hischier - Mercer
Tatar - Haula - Holtz
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Foote - Boqvist - Johnsson
Thompson - Zetterlund
Tatar and Johnsson are the obvious ones as pending UFA's, but I wonder if Sharangovich could be available, and if he'd be a legit 2C trade option for the Avs?
He's not the best at face-offs (40% last year) and his defense is suspect (though it's improving), but his lethal shot would be a pretty great weapon on a line with Lehkonen winning pucks and Rantanen as the playmaker.
At $2m x1 he'd be a perfect fit for the Avs roster this year as they could add him without needing to shed salary and still have $2.5m to cover bonuses with a 21 man roster, as per the capfriendly AGM linked below. In one year he's also still an RFA so his next contract will likely also be reasonable.
Should Newhook emerge as a legit 2C it would also be very easy to move Sharangovich to the wing where he's played a lot of the time for NJ.
Not sure what the price would be and even what the Avs could offer up to entice NJ to part with him though considering how few assets they have. Unless NJ like Olausson or Foudy the only piece of interest to them is probably the 2023 1st.
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Richard88
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Necas apparently re-signed by Carolina according to a Czech source, per the main board thread:
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The problem with offer sheets is that you always end up overpaying at least in some form, and the cases where an offer sheet makes sense are far and between. It has to be a cap crunch team, and the player basically has to be a young player with tremendous potential but hasn't broken out yet. Kotkaniemi was a good example, players from this years RFA-class would include said Sandin and Kakko (who was re-signed last week). You could've easily made a deal that would be 1 or even 2 mil over the market rate, which Toronto or NYR couldn't have matched. The compensation wouldn't be that big either. But then the other issue is to get the player to sign the OS...
I don't really buy the explanation of GMs being afraid of retribution or ruining their relationship with other GMs if they make an OS. Maybe that would be the case with Lou, but I'm pretty sure the majority of GMs know this is a competition and a business. They all want to win, and want to make their team better at the expense of
I don't really buy the explanation of GMs being afraid of retribution or ruining their relationship with other GMs if they make an OS. Maybe that would be the case with Lou, but I'm pretty sure the majority of GMs know this is a competition and a business. They all want to win, and want to make their team better at the expense of
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He's been mentioned before buy it seems like it's been a while. Like always, it depends on the ask.
It depends on how it fits with MacKinnon's and Byram's next contract but it could possibly work with Newhook and Compher.
I saw someone speculate Newhook making 2.5 on his next deal. But let's say Newhook clicks at 2C is a much better 2C than Gourde, then he also possibly becomes unaffordable. On the other hand, if the organization sees him as only a wing, then having someone like Gourde becomes more appealing.
I'd guess trading Girard is less appealing than trading Newhook. Yes Newhook is cheaper but what if he doesn't turn into what they want? Comversely, if he explodes, can they even afford him with all of the other mouths to feed?
The Avs quality depth on defense is a huge competitive advantage. I can see them not letting go of that until it's absolutely necessary.
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