Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[RoyIsALegend]

My analysis is that the big red background is f***ing awful.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

oof

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Don't question advanced stats, man.

They are the 'end-all, be-all'. The good news is you can stop wasting so much time watching games and forming your own erroneous opinions...they tell you ALL you need to know.

I get you're being sarcastic but its true. Just like how 20 years ago people in baseball rejected advanced stats. Now they truly are the end-all, be-all. And the select few who still reject stats are the embarrassment of the league.


Hockey is headed in the same direction. Just takes time for people to accept that.

 

[Hasbro]

You can now pay to get personalized drunk messages from EJ...

 

[expatriatedtexan]

If there truly is a holdup between Naz and the Avs, I kinda hope it's because CMac has told him that while he is probably worth more on an open market the Avs have to stay firm on a certain AAV and Term in order to ensure the can re-sign MacK later this summer.

I also hope that CMac already knows what AAV/Term MacK is looking for and is comfortable with his ability to negotiate a deal based on his initial talks with MacK's agent.

 

[Hasbro]

A couple of weeks ago, I brought this up somewhat in jest, but now I’m starting to wonder.

Would the Avs try and squeeze one final season out of some oldster like Stastny or Krejci?

Or Bergeron.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

At the same time, I’d like to get opinion from people.
Manson was our last bigger signing, at 4.5M. It’s left the Avs with under 4M with a hole at 2C.
I’m curious to know if people would have preferred not signing Manson, and instead signing Kadri at say, 7x6.5.

So option A: sign Kadri for 6.5, and have just under 2M in space to trade for or sign a replacement 4D.

Option B: the current situation of having Manson but just under 4M in space to trade for or sign a replacement 2C.

Part of me would have preferred A, only because it may be easier to trade for a replacement 4D than it is to trade for a replacement 2C. Obviously, my premise about acquiring a D-man may be way off base seeing as how I know nothing about trade costs or players available.

Just curious what people would do with a chance at a do-over.

This one is tough, I suppose it comes down to the confidence level of Girard playing the right side with someone like Byram rather than playing with a guy like Manson or EJ. I think the Vegas series was indicative of how important it is to have a balance of skill sets on the back end. Especially if this is EJs last year it would have been really tough to find someone with Manson's overall skill set as a replacement in the top 4 on the right side. Though I think it will be just as hard if not harder to find a true Kadri replacement at 2C. The only reason I lean towards Manson is I don't see Girard as a good fit in the top 4 without Manson even though he clearly is a top 4 defenseman, it is not really his fault that Byram passed him. I think for a 2C there are more options, Rantanen, Landeskog, Newhook, Compher, Meyers with potentially different levels of effectiveness.

 

[Bender]

I get you're being sarcastic but its true. Just like how 20 years ago people in baseball rejected advanced stats. Now they truly are the end-all, be-all. And the select few who still reject stats are the embarrassment of the league.


Hockey is headed in the same direction. Just takes time for people to accept that.

Then I can't wait for Sonny Milano to sign a contract that is proportionate to what those stats say. Let's hope it's the Oilers because I simply can't get enough Benoit Pouliot-type contracts that end up as buyouts half-way through.

 

[hughdreamz]

Still holding out hope the Avs trade for Poolparty and sign Zach Aston-Reese. I want us to be the biggest pains in the ass forechecking with these 2 and Nuke and Lehky.

 

[Bender]

Still holding out hope the Avs trade for Poolparty and sign Zach Aston-Reese. I want us to be the biggest pains in the ass forechecking with these 2 and Nuke and Lehky.

I think a lot of teams are going to walk-away from the abitration awards this year - way more than in the past.

 

[JH21]

Some high praise for Byram here.

3 guys in the top 32 is rediculous. Throw in Manson and Girard.....I'm not sure there has been this deep of a group ever.

Blake, Bourque and Foote was arguably the best ever but they were all aging. Our guys are young superstars..

 

[TruePowerSlave]

The defense is absolutely stacked. It does lead to some players getting limited roles if everyone is healthy. Girard for example should essentially be a 5M even strength Dman if there are no injuries.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I think a lot of teams are going to walk-away from the abitration awards this year - way more than in the past.

Yes. You don't need a pool party to have a pina colada.

 

[bromando]

I get you're being sarcastic but its true. Just like how 20 years ago people in baseball rejected advanced stats. Now they truly are the end-all, be-all. And the select few who still reject stats are the embarrassment of the league.


Hockey is headed in the same direction. Just takes time for people to accept that.

To some extent, yes. But baseball is almost a pure numbers game. It's so individualistic and each play is reset to the same 9 guys lined up in the same 9 positions on defense with a batter. So you can narrow everything down to a statistical situation. How many guys on base, what inning, what's the score, type of pitch, location of pitch, what field, etc.

Hockey is much more of a team sport. Systems, teammates, linemates, opposing lines, momentum, line changes, positioning, and your interactions with other players change from shift to shift, period to period, game to game, team to team. There is too much human variability to fully parse down in statistics which is why the eye test will always matter more in hockey than in baseball. Advanced stats are certainly hugely helpful and I'm glad the Avs are invested in them but they don't tell a full story at all like they do in baseball.

 

[Avsboy]

Would like to see a Nichushkin-Lehkonen-Poolparty line. Sure it would just be three skaters skating in straight lines forechecking, without much playmaking, but it would be an incredible sight.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I get you're being sarcastic but its true. Just like how 20 years ago people in baseball rejected advanced stats. Now they truly are the end-all, be-all. And the select few who still reject stats are the embarrassment of the league.


Hockey is headed in the same direction. Just takes time for people to accept that.

Not a great comparison really. Baseball is a far more static game compared to hockey which is a incredibly dynamic sport.

Advanced stats very clearly have their place in the sport and certainly paint a good picture but it certainly isn't the end all be all.

 

[EdAVSfan]

And he's only 26. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm sure someone will take a chance eventually, but you've gotta wonder if there's something to him going to his 3rd team already after the legal trouble he put himself in.

I think this is more outside of what the Avs look for, to a certain extent.
I may be off, but I feel like the Avs look for players with good underlying numbers on average to good teams (like zone exits and entries for example) but who’s point results don’t match.

This is an example of a player, on a bad team, who’s point totals match the underlying numbers.

Isn’t the whole point to target players when they’re undervalued (based on point totals and results) rather than target players who are more likely overvalued since their roles are likely to get reduced when coming here.

Example like Burakovsky and Nuke come to mind. Players who had good underlying numbers but lacked the results for various reasons, gotten for cheap, and allow them to flourish, so long as they maintain or improve on their underlying numbers.

Wouldn’t Milano be a pure example of buying high? Similar to Rodrigues?

 

[Muffin]

So over this whole Kadri thing, just sign E Rod and call it a day.

 

[redacted]

Doesn't justify handing out bad contracts. With good management the Avs should still be a solid team, if they suck at that point the GM has made mistakes.

Avs already have a few contracts they'll regret in 4-5 years. These things always come to an end and good contracts or not, this ride is certainly over in 5-6 years if not sooner.

 

[Metallo]

Some high praise for Byram here.

#threenumberoneD

 

[Cypher]

Must be nice to re-sign your top players when they are first eligible for a new contract.

Landeskog went into the 24th hour last year, same with Nuke this year, and two weeks in and no news on Mackinnon.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Avs already have a few contracts they'll regret in 4-5 years. These things always come to an end and good contracts or not, this ride is certainly over in 5-6 years if not sooner.

Byram - Makar probably is the best pairing in hockey in 5-6 years. It's going to take poor management or bad luck to not continue being a playoff team at that point.

 

[redacted]

Byram - Makar probably is the best pairing in hockey in 5-6 years. It's going to take bad management to not continue being a playoff team at that point.

I'd say odds are they'll be a playoff team, but an actual contending team will be unlikely. We are running to the end of all the core's prime years (primes typically end at ~28) and there are large dropoffs coming up or already happened. 5-6 years from now, I'd say odds are high that MacKinnon is the only core top 6 capable guy out of the current group... and he'll certainly be on the downward trend unless he shows a massive growth in IQ. Landy, Lehk, and Nuke are certainly going to be rough entering their mid 30s. Mikko, if still here, will have lost a step looking more like a wounded fawn rather than just a fawn.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

I'd say odds are they'll be a playoff team, but an actual contending team will be unlikely. We are running to the end of all the core's prime years (primes typically end at ~28) and there are large dropoffs coming up or already happened. 5-6 years from now, I'd say odds are high that MacKinnon is the only core top 6 capable guy out of the current group... and he'll certainly be on the downward trend unless he shows a massive growth in IQ. Landy, Lehk, and Nuke are certainly going to be rough entering their mid 30s. Mikko, if still here, will have lost a step looking more like a wounded fawn rather than just a fawn.

They might not be a contender but will definitely be a playoff team unless management shits the bed. That's fine and doesn't mean the ride is over like you said.

If they make shrewd moves like trading big names once their start their decline the team might contend for quite a while, it's up to the management group to get it done. You can build around Byram - Makar, I expect those two will take over games regularly once Bo hits his peak.

 

[redacted]

They might not be a contender but will definitely be a playoff team unless management shits the bed. That's fine and doesn't mean the ride is over like you said.

If they make shrewd moves like trading big names once their start their decline the team might contend for quite a while, it's up to the management group to get it done. You can build around Byram - Makar, I expect those two will take over games regularly once Bo hits his peak.

They'll be the Pens of the last 2 years... it'll be over and grasping for straws to hang on. The ride will be over. That's just simply the world in a capped league with limited exemptions.