Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Richard88]

I think the answer as to why Bergeron is not signed is the same as most of the remaining guys that would actually command money, cap space. Boston does not have much free space. They need to move someone to make room for him.

Yes, teams can go 10% over, but then they really are over a barrel. especially when the guy is not going anywhere else, stay cap compliant and work on your side trade to clear space.

This same thing is likely what is holding up a Kadri signing. He must have 1-2 sure fire landing spots, but is waiting for a cap move. Both Colorado and the NYI could, as examples, easily clear enough cap space but they would be making moves like Columbus and selling something decent for nothing — or trying to move a bad contract for a big price. By holding the signing, they at least are under a bit less visual pressure and might get a better deal.

If NYI are wanting to move someone like Brock Nelson and the return is like Bjorkstrands return then that would be a good avenue for CMac to pursue.

 

[UncleRisto]

what do you think about trying Jonathan Dahlen this guy has a crazy talent. With us it could explode.

I don't think we have a situation where Dahlen would agree to come here. And with Euro hockey doing well, he might opt to go there without a legitimate NHL offer.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

How is Milano still not signed

Guy has a tough salad. You don’t want that mop in a Stanley Cup picture.

 

[Brett44]

I don't think we have a situation where Dahlen would agree to come here. And with Euro hockey doing well, he might opt to go there without a legitimate NHL offer.

If we trade Compher for a pick we have a 3w free. It's a good bet

 

[Chiarelli]

How is Milano still not signed

Oh that’s an easy one - he’s not good.

Plus there’s still tons of options that are likely better: kadri, Rodriguez, heinen, kessel, stastny, Larsson, dahlen, donato, Aston-Reese, bozak, motte and that’s just at forward

 

[UncleRisto]

If we trade Compher for a pick we have a 3w free. It's a good bet

I mean Compher outscored him.

 

[The Merchant]

Oh that’s an easy one - he’s not good.

Plus there’s still tons of options that are likely better: kadri, Rodriguez, heinen, kessel, stastny, Larsson, dahlen, donato, Aston-Reese, bozak, motte and that’s just at forward

And he's only 26. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm sure someone will take a chance eventually, but you've gotta wonder if there's something to him going to his 3rd team already after the legal trouble he put himself in.

 

[Chiarelli]

And he's only 26. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm sure someone will take a chance eventually, but you've gotta wonder if there's something to him going to his 3rd team already after the legal trouble he put himself in.

He played with Zegras all year.
Probably talented but not a guy you’ll win with if that makes sense

And he's only 26. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm sure someone will take a chance eventually, but you've gotta wonder if there's something to him going to his 3rd team already after the legal trouble he put himself in.

Also I question these stats how can you project his assists/60 when he’s not even signed. And if he were that close to McDavid you’d just sign him, play him more, pay him a fifth what McDavid makes. I dunno none of that checks out with me

 

[Bender]

He played with Zegras all year.
Probably talented but not a guy you’ll win with if that makes sense


Also I question these stats how can you project his assists/60 when he’s not even signed. And if he were that close to McDavid you’d just sign him, play him more, pay him a fifth what McDavid makes. I dunno none of that checks out with me

Don't question advanced stats, man.

They are the 'end-all, be-all'. The good news is you can stop wasting so much time watching games and forming your own erroneous opinions...they tell you ALL you need to know.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

All I know is this wait is made much more tolerable whilst sipping water out of my 30 oz. Avs Stanley Cup Champions tumbler.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Cap space is the answer for almost all remaining unsigned UFAs.

Most teams that have cap space are either not intending to spend to the cap, have their own players to still sign, or are perhaps waiting for teams that need to clear space to move decent players for low value.

Colorado likely will sign a forward and maybe a D man still, but they are in no hurry. They are keeping tabs on Kadri, so every dollar counts. If Kadri does not fall into place, they still likely wait for the guys left to bottom out in value so they can get someone below market value to then keep a bit of cap flexibility. Tons of teams are doing the same.

You also wonder a bit about all the guys left - I think teams learned a lot about players and their personalities over the lockdown/shutdown periods of time. You have to wonder if any of that is playing into the mid/lower tier guys who are unsigned still.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Cap space is the answer for almost all remaining unsigned UFAs.

Most teams that have cap space are either not intending to spend to the cap, have their own players to still sign, or are perhaps waiting for teams that need to clear space to move decent players for low value.

Colorado likely will sign a forward and maybe a D man still, but they are in no hurry. They are keeping tabs on Kadri, so every dollar counts. If Kadri does not fall into place, they still likely wait for the guys left to bottom out in value so they can get someone below market value to then keep a bit of cap flexibility. Tons of teams are doing the same.

You also wonder a bit about all the guys left - I think teams learned a lot about players and their personalities over the lockdown/shutdown periods of time. You have to wonder if any of that is playing into the mid/lower tier guys who are unsigned still.

You have to wonder if teams know how the dominoes will fall once teams start clearing cap space. But you have to think right now, the teams with cap space are weaponizing it and trying to treat it like a winning lottery ticket. On the other side, no one wants to be the team paying the Anaheims and Arizona's their exhorbitant asks so they're wating for the other guy to blink first.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[chet1926]

It's really not that hard to see why players aren't getting signed. Quick glance at salary cap situations and there is only 10ish teams with more than 5M in space. And honestly none of them have complete rosters so that will evaporate.

Of those 10 teams there are two playoff teams Dallas and Calgary (who just lost their best player to ufa and traded their best young player, so probably some hesitation there).

Then you have some fringe teams like NJ, NYI, DET, OTT. They could probably make an offer but then the player has to decide if they want to go a team that may or may not be in the playoff hunt. Which some of these guys might be ok with, others want playoff shots which limit their options.

But honestly the biggest holdup is Kadri he has brought the market to a halt. Since he's the biggest number out there still. And I'd venture to guess there is more than just the Avs, NYI, Calgary and Winnipeg out there waiting on him. Not to mention all the teams that are on hold seeing if a certain player becomes available via trade to clear space for Kadri.

 

[redacted]

It is simply hard and expensive to move salary now. Teams that have space know this and either want a good player on the cheap, or they will take a bad player for an expensive sweetener.

 

[PAZ]

That just isn't true. A number of other teams have to move money. As I just pointed out.



Philly especially is funny

That just isn't true. A number of other teams have to move money. As I just pointed out.



Philly especially is funny

If you actually read my post you’d realize they don’t.

 

[EdAVSfan]

It is simply hard and expensive to move salary now. Teams that have space know this and either want a good player on the cheap, or they will take a bad player for an expensive sweetener.

Perhaps the Avs should explore the other side of the coin. Instead of trying to shed, they should be looking at trying to get a good Kadri replacement by absorbing cap. They still have 3ish million in space to absorb

 

[redacted]

Perhaps the Avs should explore the other side of the coin. Instead of trying to shed, they should be looking at trying to get a good Kadri replacement by absorbing cap. They still have 3ish million in space to absorb

What team is selling a 2C to gain space? Additional to that, would that player cause a longer-term issue?

 

[Gatorbait19]

It is simply hard and expensive to move salary now. Teams that have space know this and either want a good player on the cheap, or they will take a bad player for an expensive sweetener.

This is the fear/reasoning for not moving Girard right now. If a solid top 6 guy in bjorkstrand just returned peanuts, you’re not going to get full value on G.

It’s interesting how the league cap crunch that we thought we were almost passed has really grinder everything to a halt.

 

[redacted]

This is the fear/reasoning for not moving Girard right now. If a solid top 6 guy in bjorkstrand just returned peanuts, you’re not going to get full value on G.

It’s interesting how the league cap crunch that we thought we were almost passed has really grinder everything to a halt.

Beyond the market right now, G also has injury questions and is coming off a poor season. His value is as low as it has been since the Duchene trade.

 

[Brett44]

I mean Compher outscored him.

you can't compare a 26 year old player with 5 years of experience and a rookie in the NHL. The level of talent is unmatched

 

[Gumballhead]

I bet there are a lot of handshake deals tentatively set up for teams doing the cap dance. A big move or two by certain teams will loosen that up I bet.

 

[redacted]

you can't compare a 26 year old player with 5 years of experience and a rookie in the NHL. The level of talent is unmatched

Why can't you compare? They are basically the same age. Milano has ~200 games in the NHL and will be with his third org. It isn't like we don't have a good picture of who he is.

Milano has talent, but he's simply a shitty hockey player. Put him in Arizona and he puts up points. Put him on the Avs and he struggles to get in the lineup.

 

[Gatorbait19]

Perhaps the Avs should explore the other side of the coin. Instead of trying to shed, they should be looking at trying to get a good Kadri replacement by absorbing cap. They still have 3ish million in space to absorb

Not exactly sure about the panthers’ plans, but I assume the plan is to try and put together as good a team they can this year and then hit the ground running next year when they free up $10m in cap.

However, I wonder if they’d consider a Bennett for Newhook swap. Gives each team what they need moving forward although panthers take another (minor) step back for this year.

 

[The Moops]

Why can't you compare? They are basically the same age. Milano has ~200 games in the NHL and will be with his third org. It isn't like we don't have a good picture of who he is.

Milano has talent, but he's simply a shitty hockey player. Put him in Arizona and he puts up points. Put him on the Avs and he struggles to get in the lineup.

Similar to PAP or something!