Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[John Mandalorian]

For who?

Unless the « weapon » is a need, they need that cap space

For example, I was thinking Holl and a first for future considerations.

 

[EdAVSfan]

For example, I was thinking Holl and a first for future considerations.

Im not sure of the point.

You’d likely have to turn around and spend just as much or more to dump EJ.

And I’m highly doubtful Toronto would send a 1st just to dump 2M

 

[John Mandalorian]

Im not sure of the point.

You’d likely have to turn around and spend just as much or more to dump EJ.

And I’m highly doubtful Toronto would send a 1st just to dump 2M

Toronto is 1.5 over the cap. There are 10 teams currently over the cap. Toronto may not want to give up a first but if Arizona and Anaheim are demanding this, the Avs have leverage to ask for something similar.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Toronto is 1.5 over the cap. There are 10 teams currently over the cap. Toronto may not want to give up a first but if Arizona and Anaheim are demanding this, the Avs have leverage to ask for something similar.

It may appear like teams are over the cap, but we still have no idea what amount of roster those teams will carry. We also have no idea what LTIR there is. Toronto is likely to carry a very bare 20 or 21 man roster.

But again though. Holl is a 2 million dollar player. He’s not really a cap dump. He’s useful in his role and paid like it.

It’s one thing trying to drop 5M. It’s another to move a 2M 3rd pairing guy. It certainly wouldn’t cost them a 1st.
IE, Vegas is over, but not really. They actually have like 5M in space.

 

[Avs_19]

Need some Kadri news soon.

I think I've seen trade proposals involving every important player on the DEFENDING STANLEY CUP CHAMPS except MacKinnon, Makar, Landeskog, and Nichushkin.

I even saw Lundell being called the next Bergeron, who is arguably the greatest defensive forward in the history of the NHL.

Please, Naz. Do something.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Need some Kadri news soon.

I think I've seen trade proposals involving every important player on the DEFENDING STANLEY CUP CHAMPS except MacKinnon, Makar, Landeskog, and Nichushkin.

I even saw Lundell being called the next Bergeron, who is arguably the greatest defensive forward in the history of the NHL.

Please, Naz. Do something.

Hate to break it to you…

If Naz signs with us, that means we’re needing to shed salary. So still lots of proposals.

If he signs with someone else, it’s status quo. You’re gonna be seeing the exact same shit moving forward.

 

[Richard88]

Should the Avs weaponize their remaining cap space?

No. They're better off letting it accrue do they can make a big in-season trade, along with ensuring that they have enough to cover bonuses. No need to get cute with the situation.

The time to weaponise capspace was a couple of years ago when they had $6m+ in unused space. I wanted them to do the Marleau deal at the time for an extra 1st which would have come in handy now.

Toronto is 1.5 over the cap. There are 10 teams currently over the cap. Toronto may not want to give up a first but if Arizona and Anaheim are demanding this, the Avs have leverage to ask for something similar.

Toronto won't need to pay anything to move Holl. He's a solid player at a low caphit. Worst case they get just a late round pick for him.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

FTR Friedman never said the Avs aren’t trading Girard period. He said they aren’t trading him just to clear room for Kadri. If Kadri doesn’t come back I can still totally see a hockey trade happening involving Girard.

 

[andora]

I hope that all this extra time hasnt got mgmt talking themselves into anything outside of their original plan

Going into the offseason the plan was there.. they executed their signings and league wide things slowed. Anything kadri may be saying now i hope they arent talking themselves away from said plan

My view everything is in the avs favor right now. Champs, available money, young players worth looking at to make roster, free agents available for super cheap at positions of need, and time.

Dont blink first or even second, perfect scenario to be the first one to catch what shakes out as other boobs get impatient. Look for another toews trade

 

[Eltuna]

No. They're better off letting it accrue do they can make a big in-season trade, along with ensuring that they have enough to cover bonuses. No need to get cute with the situation.

The time to weaponise capspace was a couple of years ago when they had $6m+ in unused space. I wanted them to do the Marleau deal at the time for an extra 1st which would have come in handy now.


Toronto won't need to pay anything to move Holl. He's a solid player at a low caphit. Worst case they get just a late round pick for him.

This to me is one of the biggest “missed opportunities” that the Avs have wasted the past 5 years. Toronto most assuredly would have rather traded him West and the cap space was unused so would have only cost money for another 1st.

The other two that I really wanted at the time and think the Avs missed on were,

1. Smith instead of Kaut in the 2018 draft. Not because I thought Smith was incredible or at all needed for the Avs, but because I thought he was guaranteed to put up huge points the next year in junior. Instead of trying to get lucky with Kaut turning into a great winger, just draft Smith and trade him for a great winger in Hall or Stone, which he definitely could have commanded as young dmen were crazy in demand at the time. Would have completely removed the risk from the draft pick as Smith was always going to have great value in his draft + 1 year.

2. Offer sheeting Stone to a 1 year deal the summer he signed with Ottawa for one year before being traded. Who knows if this was possible but it would have been the most evil poison pill deal a GM would have done in decades. If Ottawa matched, they would take him right to UFA and he didn’t want to sign in Ottawa, and since it was an OS, they couldn’t even trade him before 1 year was up, at which point he would have 0 value as he would be weeks away from becoming a UFA. The Avs owning Ottawas unprotected 1st that year would have made it that much more diabolical, essentially force them to let go of their best player for draft picks only to the team that owns your own 1st rounder. Was the absolute perfect storm for a an offer sheet for an elite player actually working, Ottawa would have no choice but to let him go.

 

[shadow1]

I just listened to the 32 Thoughts Podcast as well, this is what they said about Kadri in a nutshell:

• Friedman has heard the rumor about Kadri already being signed by the New York Islanders. He doesn't believe it, but wouldn't put is past Lou. Also mentioned for all he knows, they've already re-signed Dobson and Romanov; that Tom Brady will be throwing his first touchdown pass as Lamoriello is announcing contracts. Thinks New York is definitely interested/involved with Kadri though.
• He said he heard Colorado was out of it, but then was told "not so fast". Said that Kadri knows he can return here, but it would be in a certain salary range. Also said the Avalanche have let it be known that they won't move Girard to retain Kadri.
• Friedman also mentioned Calgary as a suitor, but not sure how serious they are. He theorized the Flames could be interested in Kadri to show Huberdeau and Weegar they're serious about winning.
• Finally Friedman and Marek mentioned Detroit, saying that it seems that Yzerman has a directive to get his team over the hump; that the Red Wings still have a big hole at 2C and it just makes too much sense. They didn't mention Copp but obviously he can play W.

Friedman finished by saying Kadri could end up anywhere, but basically he was most confident in those four. He did say a little earlier he thought the top two were the Islanders and Avalanche though.

 

[Perratrooper]

To me if it comes down to it we can probably move Newhook and a first to grab Horvat or Miller. However I think the team knows that they’ll make playoffs and this will give them a chance to experiment with 2C options to see if there is an internal fit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rantanen, JTC, Newhook and Meyers all get a stab at the 2C role. That will undoubtedly lead to fam frustration as we won’t be as dominant as last season (still likely the top central team).

I get the panic to find the 2C, but I don’t think the team is in a rush.

 

[Gumballhead]

FTR Friedman never said the Avs aren’t trading Girard period. He said they aren’t trading him just to clear room for Kadri. If Kadri doesn’t come back I can still totally see a hockey trade happening involving Girard.

There’s no need to trade him, but it’s nice to know if we need something he’s a great chip. Stacked D is the money play.

 

[JH21]

Lundell has the upside to be Bergeron.

Byram IMO doesn't even have #1D upside.



It would be tough. But not impossible. Barkov and Lundell are possibly two of the best two-way centers in the entire league next year. Ekblad is also better then any of those Dmen in Puttsburgh.


Not saying the Panthers are the favorites by any means, and I could see them adding Chychrun at some point. But they're easily still one of the 4-5 top Cup favorites and even with that Defense they could win.

What?? Seriously?

Stanley Cup ice time. As a 21 year old.

Game 6- 25:48
Game 5- 21:19
Game 4- 28:24
Game 3- 19:12
Game 2- 22:18
Game 1- 22:37

 

[Richard88]

To me if it comes down to it we can probably move Newhook and a first to grab Horvat or Miller. However I think the team knows that they’ll make playoffs and this will give them a chance to experiment with 2C options to see if there is an internal fit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rantanen, JTC, Newhook and Meyers all get a stab at the 2C role. That will undoubtedly lead to fam frustration as we won’t be as dominant as last season (still likely the top central team).

I get the panic to find the 2C, but I don’t think the team is in a rush.

Fam frustration is right blud

 

[Avaholic29]

What?? Seriously?

Stanley Cup ice time. As a 21 year old.

Game 6- 25:48
Game 5- 21:19
Game 4- 28:24
Game 3- 19:12
Game 2- 22:18
Game 1- 22:37

Not only that, a player heading into his sophomore year is one of the best defensive forwards in the league? ahhh man. Horrible take by him.

 

[Avaholic29]

To me if it comes down to it we can probably move Newhook and a first to grab Horvat or Miller. However I think the team knows that they’ll make playoffs and this will give them a chance to experiment with 2C options to see if there is an internal fit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rantanen, JTC, Newhook and Meyers all get a stab at the 2C role. That will undoubtedly lead to fam frustration as we won’t be as dominant as last season (still likely the top central team).

I get the panic to find the 2C, but I don’t think the team is in a rush.

No frustration here, we as fans did the same thing worrying about Nichushkin replacing saads production and I’d say it turned out alright.

 

[avsfan9]

No frustration here, we as fans did the same thing worrying about Nichushkin replacing saads production and I’d say it turned out alright.

Going to be hard to replace Kadri and he 80+ points and his intangibles and experience.

 

[ANewHope]

What?? Seriously?

Stanley Cup ice time. As a 21 year old.

Game 6- 25:48
Game 5- 21:19
Game 4- 28:24
Game 3- 19:12
Game 2- 22:18
Game 1- 22:37

With less than 82 games of experience after missing tons of time off and on with injury issues.

I get being hesitant about his health but at this point I don't get how you deny his potential and I say that as someone who was pretty underwhelmed early on. I get his shot is a muffin but outside of that? His tools, what he showed this season etc. What's crazy is he wasn't even getting PP1 minutes. Who knows what happens but the potential is obviously there for something big.

 

[Raucherhusten]

Going to be hard to replace Kadri and he 80+ points and his intangibles and experience.

 

[Golden Foppa]

Stacked D is the money play.

The 6 D that the Avs currently have headed into the regular season is going to be a nightmare for the rest of the NHL. That stacked of a D core isn't usually seen during the regular season. That usually happens after a team loads up at the deadline and adds a couple defensemen.

 

[Balthazar]

Hate to break it to you…

If Naz signs with us, that means we’re needing to shed salary.

If Naz woud agree to a reasonable 6M X 5 contract we could get away with it only by shipping JTC to some shit team (for nothing in return) and they'd accept him because they can flip him for a pick at the deadline.

It's nearly impossible to move money right now but it could be doable with a pending UFA like JTC.

However, if we do that we're kicking the can down the road because next summer we need that same JTC money to pay Mack/Byram/Newhook. So if re-up Kadri with JTC's money this summer that means that Girard has to be traded strictly for futures next year.

 

[Belgican]

The lesson learned after this SC run and with the late acquisitions, is that with a core of MacK, Landeskog, Rantanen, Nuke, Lekh, Makar, Byram, Toews, G, Manson, the Avs window is now open for 3-5 years without a doubt.

The ability if our top management, Joe, Cmc, to keep most of that core fit info the cap will only translate that window into more Cups.

I have 100% trust Avs will achieve thus that. Keeping the core, win more Cups.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The Avs defense is like having an extra forward. Plus, with what Byram has shown and with possible progression, it might even be more pronounced. Plus, there's Newhook's likely progression (hopefully).

It's not all things being the same as last year, except now there's no Kadri. There are players on the roster who can cover for the loss, at least to a large extent.

Another thing, the Avs had several key players injured for sustained periods last year. If key guys can play 75 + games, that can also make up for the loss.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The lesson learned after this SC run and with the late acquisitions, is that with a core of MacK, Landeskog, Rantanen, Nuke, Lekh, Makar, Byram, Toews, G, Manson, the Avs window is now open for 3-5 years without a doubt.

The ability if our top management, Joe, Cmc, to keep most of that core fit info the cap will only translate that window into more Cups.

I have 100% trust Avs will achieve thus that. Keeping the core, win more Cups.

What you just described is literally impossible though.


It's actually impossible to keep all of those guys on the team for the next 3-5 years.