Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[dahrougem2]

I think Lundell is a great young piece but why is he being pegged as this two way monster when he was pretty meh defensively? I mean definitely solid for a rookie but Reinhart did some massive heavy lifting for him.

Great young player with massive potential but right now he’s a very average defensive forward while playing some very average competition.

I don’t think I’ve seen a player as oddly overrated on here as Lundell with such average results in a short period since OEL.

IMO if the Panthers called C-Mac today and offered Lundell for Bo, the Avs would hang up whereas if the call was reversed, the Panthers would fire paperwork quicker than you can say Bo.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

You don’t think Byram has #1 upside? He literally just played at that level in the playoffs, as a rookie. Honestly, I think at this point his low end is a 2D.

I think Barkov/Lundell is a great 1-2 punch down the middle. It’s nothing like Crosby/Malkin though.

Barkov consistently underwhelms in the playoffs. He’s basically the Gaudreau of the Eastern Conference. There should be questions about whether, or not he can be the best player on a cup winning team.

How has Barkov underwhelmed in the playoffs? He was over PPG in each of the last two playoffs, and this year he had 7 points in 10 games which are still solid numbers, and simply put Florida just got Vasi'd in the playoffs this year. They were the better team at 5 on 5, Vasi was simply fantastic. He's a career 0.81 PPG in the playoffs. Those are great numbers.

He also still dominates possession at 5 on 5 in the playoffs. Pretty much ~57% across the board on all the shares of possession. Gaudreau very noticeably sees a decline in his numbers, particularly his High Danger chances.

They're really not comparable.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

We also might be underrating Bergeron a bit here too. The guy is one of the greatest defensive forwards in the history of the sport.

Anyways… I understand the logic on the Lundell/Byram swap because the Avs could still have a great defence without Byram and get a future 2C. It’s the same logic I use when I shop Sammy and Toews in potential deals. I just don’t want to give up Byram because there’s so much runway left.

 

[Avaholic29]

1D > 2C.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

1D > 2C.

Fortunately nobody is advocating to trade Cale Makar, our actual 1D.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

How has Barkov underwhelmed in the playoffs? He was over PPG in each of the last two playoffs, and this year he had 7 points in 10 games which are still solid numbers, and simply put Florida just got Vasi'd in the playoffs this year. They were the better team at 5 on 5, Vasi was simply fantastic. He's a career 0.81 PPG in the playoffs. Those are great numbers.

He also still dominates possession at 5 on 5 in the playoffs. Pretty much ~57% across the board on all the shares of possession. Gaudreau very noticeably sees a decline in his numbers, particularly his High Danger chances.

They're really not comparable.

How are those great numbers for a franchise player?

21 points in 26 games is extremely underwhelming for a teams’ best player. That’s not taking you to a cup.

I can’t even imagine what people would be saying about MacKinnon if that were happening here.

 

[Avaholic29]

Fortunately nobody is advocating to trade Cale Makar, our actual 1D.

Byram is going to be a 1D. I’d rather see a Byram - Makar pairing and be spoiled on the back end than have lundell be the longterm 2C. Much more value in that in my opinion.

How are those great numbers?

21 points in 26 games is extremely underwhelming for a teams’ best player. That’s not taking you to a cup.

I can’t even imagine what people would be saying about MacKinnon if that were happening here.

Agreed, when you are the main man and it’s crunch time those numbers are underwhelming.

 

[Ararana]

Byram definitely isn’t going to hit his 1D potential in Colorado, that’s for damn sure.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he tries to get straight to UFA and get out from behind Makar. That’s exactly what I would do in his shoes.

He’s got all the potential to be a poor man’s Makar on a team that badly needs a 1D.

 

[The Merchant]

Fortunately nobody is advocating to trade Cale Makar, our actual 1D.

Oh just you wait

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I think Lundell is a great young piece but why is he being pegged as this two way monster when he was pretty meh defensively? I mean definitely solid for a rookie but Reinhart did some massive heavy lifting for him.

Great young player with massive potential but right now he’s a very average defensive forward while playing some very average competition.

I don’t think I’ve seen a player as oddly overrated on here as Lundell with such average results in a short period since OEL.

Yeah especially since their analytical department is so GAR/WAR heavy. Any of those models make Lundell look worse than he is is.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

How are those great numbers for a franchise player?

21 points in 26 games is extremely underwhelming for a teams’ best player. That’s not taking you to a cup.

I can’t even imagine what people would be saying about MacKinnon if that were happening here.

I mean.... What? I have a feeling Mackinnon has completely obscured your understanding of playoff production.


21 points in 26 games is a 0.81 PPG pace. That's just outside the Top 100 of all time. It's the exact same PPG as Kopitar, Modano, Alfredsson, Robitaille, Bryan Trottier. And its ahead of names like Steven Stamkos, Patrice Bergeron, Vinny Lecavalier, Brendan Shannahan, Pavel Datsyuk, etc. etc. Obviously he doesn't have the games played those guys have yet, he's still fairly young. But its pretty reasonable to believe he'll keep those numbers up. Again before getting Vasilievsky'd in the 2nd round this year he was a PPG in the playoffs again this year and nearly a PPG in his career.


Just to be clear here, are you aware that only 37 players in NHL history have played 50+ games and are actually over a 1.0 PPG? And that Nathan Mackinnon ranks 3rd on that list at 1.33, trailing only Wayne and Mario?

 

[dahrougem2]

Byram definitely isn’t going to hit his 1D potential in Colorado, that’s for damn sure.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he tries to get straight to UFA and get out from behind Makar. That’s exactly what I would do in his shoes.

He’s got all the potential to be a poor man’s Makar on a team that badly needs a 1D.

Why not? He can comfortably play 24 minutes per night on this team if Bednar wants to do it. He just won't get PP1 time (even though I believe if Kadri leaves, the Avs should run Bo and Cale together on the PP).

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I mean.... What? I have a feeling Mackinnon has completely obscured your understanding of playoff production.


21 points in 26 games is a 0.81 PPG pace. That's just outside the Top 100 of all time. It's the exact same PPG as Kopitar, Modano, Alfredsson, Robitaille, Bryan Trottier. And its ahead of names like Steven Stamkos, Patrice Bergeron, Vinny Lecavalier, Brendan Shannahan, Pavel Datsyuk, etc. etc. Obviously he doesn't have the games played those guys have yet, he's still fairly young. But its pretty reasonable to believe he'll keep those numbers up. Again before getting Vasilievsky'd in the 2nd round this year he was a PPG in the playoffs again this year and nearly a PPG in his career.


Just to be clear here, are you aware that only 37 players in NHL history have played 50+ games and are actually over a 1.0 PPG? And that Nathan Mackinnon ranks 3rd on that list at 1.33, trailing only Wayne and Mario?

I’m aware of MacKinnon’s greatness vastly eclipsing Barkov. Btw, it’s Draisaitl at 3 now.

Some of those guys you mentioned had elite runs and had multiple Stanley Cup Championships. Maybe Barkov has an elite run at some point, but he hasn’t done anything yet.

The Leafs seem to be the team everybody likes laughing at, but Florida chokes just as spectacularly. Particularly considering the roster they had this season.

 

[Ararana]

Why not? He can comfortably play 24 minutes per night on this team if Bednar wants to do it. He just won't get PP1 time (even though I believe if Kadri leaves, the Avs should run Bo and Cale together on the PP).

You just answered your own question.

Bo is a hot shot. I don’t think he’ll be content being second banana his entire career.

I could be wrong, but I’ve stalked Bo since we drafted him. I think he’s going to want the chance to prove himself as ‘the’ guy.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I’m aware of MacKinnon’s greatness vastly eclipsing Barkov. Btw, it’s Draisaitl at 3 now.

Some of those guys you mentioned had elite runs and had multiple Stanley Cup Championships. Maybe Barkov has an elite run at some point, but he hasn’t done anything yet.

The Leafs seem to be the team everybody likes laughing at, but Florida chokes just as spectacularly. Particularly considering the roster they had this season.

No it isn't.... Draisiatl only has 37 games played. He hasn't hit the 50 games played threshold I used for gathering the data. Now if he has another crazy run he'll be 3rd but he's not at that point yet.

And now you're just moving the goal posts... First it was that Barkov is underwhelming, then it was that 21 points in 26 games is underwhelming, now its that he "Hasn't had an elite run or won a cup". So I mean ok if you're saying every player that hasn't went on a deep run and won a Stanley Cup in the playoffs is underwhelming then fine, I guess that's one way to look at it.

But otherwise, Barkov's numbers in the playoffs are in line with some of the all time great players. Certainly not underwhelming production and especially for a guy who also brings elite defensive hockey to the table.

 

[Avaholic29]

You just answered your own question.

Bo is a hot shot. I don’t think he’ll be content being second banana his entire career.

I could be wrong, but I’ve stalked Bo since we drafted him. I think he’s going to want the chance to prove himself as ‘the’ guy.

He can still be “the guy”. He plays the opposite side of Makar and could easily join him on pp1. They can be the guys.

 

[John Mandalorian]

You just answered your own question.

Bo is a hot shot. I don’t think he’ll be content being second banana his entire career.

I could be wrong, but I’ve stalked Bo since we drafted him. I think he’s going to want the chance to prove himself as ‘the’ guy.

Bo achieved the ultimate with the Avs. The Avs let him recover on his own timeline. This bravado you speak of precedes the concussions. I’m not saying you’re wrong but seeing your own mortality can re-calibrate your outlook.

 

[dahrougem2]

You just answered your own question.

Bo is a hot shot. I don’t think he’ll be content being second banana his entire career.

I could be wrong, but I’ve stalked Bo since we drafted him. I think he’s going to want the chance to prove himself as ‘the’ guy.

We'll see. Bo playing 24+ minutes against top competition and getting top PK time and 2nd unit PK time would allow him to thrive in all situations besides PP1.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

No it isn't.... Draisiatl only has 37 games played. He hasn't hit the 50 games played threshold I used for gathering the data. Now if he has another crazy run he'll be 3rd but he's not at that point yet.

And now you're just moving the goal posts... First it was that Barkov is underwhelming, then it was that 21 points in 26 games is underwhelming, now its that he "Hasn't had an elite run or won a cup". So I mean ok if you're saying every player that hasn't went on a deep run and won a Stanley Cup in the playoffs is underwhelming then fine, I guess that's one way to look at it.

But otherwise, Barkov's numbers in the playoffs are in line with some of the all time great players. Certainly not underwhelming production and especially for a guy who also brings elite defensive hockey to the table.

His production is underwhelming for only playing in round one, or round two.

Feel free to go start a thread on the mains asking if Barkov is a top-100 playoff performer. Like, no one is going to care if Barkov maintains a .80 PPG playoff pace, when he’s getting blown away by multiple players for his own generation.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

You just answered your own question.

Bo is a hot shot. I don’t think he’ll be content being second banana his entire career.

I could be wrong, but I’ve stalked Bo since we drafted him. I think he’s going to want the chance to prove himself as ‘the’ guy.

Bo seems like the type of guy to look at Makar, see all the things he’s doing, and instead of trying to force his way to another team, will try his damndest to show everyone that he’s better.

 

[Metallo]

You just answered your own question.

Bo is a hot shot. I don’t think he’ll be content being second banana his entire career.

I could be wrong, but I’ve stalked Bo since we drafted him. I think he’s going to want the chance to prove himself as ‘the’ guy.

Maybe but that's down the road, maybe in 3 years.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Trading Byram or Toews before Girard is peak HFAvs offseason lunacy.

Ya'll need to mellow out with some garden beers

 

[Bender]

Trading Byram or Toews before Girard is peak HFAvs offseason lunacy.

Ya'll need to mellow out with some garden beers

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Patrik Nemeth lol
Color me surprised

Best part about it is that Detroit upgraded from Nemeth when they traded him to us to Chariot this summer on a 4 x 4.75M contract. They must really have missed having that kind of presence on the backend.