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Pierce Hawthorne said:
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Trevor Daley - Justin Schultz
Olli Maata - Brian Dumolin
Ian Cole - Ron Hainsey

You wanna tell me who the elite #1D is in that group, or the second Top pairing guy is.


Also if we're in the business of using 4 game sample sizes to declare something as fact... Florida got swept by the Bolts because of Mackenzie Weegar, he alone was directly responsible for 3 of those 4 losses with blunders he created.
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The play of the Panthers F corps was pretty uninspiring too.
 
flyfysher said:
The play of the Panthers F corps was pretty uninspiring too.
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IMO that was as much the effort of Vasilievsky as it was the Florida forwards. The Panthers were the better team in 3/4 of those games but Vasi was a difference maker.


But really, making sweeping conclusions after a 4 game sample size is what's truly dumb. The amount of variance inside of a single series is insane.
 
There's a mainboard thread about Shattenkirk's value where an EJ-for-Shattenkirk@50% swap has been suggested, which seems quite viable.

Anaheim now have 3 RHD's who are weak defensively in Drysdale, Klingberg, and Shattenkirk, so they could really use a meat-and-potatoes RHD like EJ to anchor their 1st PK unit and take heavy 5v5 matchups.

Shattenkirk isn't what he once was, but at 50% he'd effectively be the teams 6D to replace Ryan Murray or Jack Johnson at $1.95m x1.

With Manson and Makar on the right already Shattenkirk wouldn't need to play much on the PK, but could simply get some limited 5v5 minutes next to Byram or Girard where his puck-moving skills would make him a stylistic fit.

More to the point, the trade would save $4.05m in capspace, giving the Avs ~$8.5m to spend on Kadri with a 21 man roster.

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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Dont really care about any of that personally, nor do I really understand why people care about that. You dont know them personally, they dont know who you are... Different strokes for different folks I guess.

As long as these guys are on the Avs then yeah its aweseome to watch them play and to witness Makar on ice, and seeing the joy of them winning the cup was awesome and what makes it worth it. But that's also all because they're Avalanche players. If Mackinnon wasn't an Avs player I wouldn't care one bit about him. If Makar played for Calgary I would not care at all about watching him on the ice.


Its like, Nichushkin is probably my favorite Avs player of all time at this point, but if management decided trading him tomorrow was the best way for this team to win a cup, I'd probably completely disagree with them, but it wouldn't change my fandom. I'm still an Avs fan. In 2 months from now I wouldn't be watching any Nichushkin games, I'd be watching Avs games.
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But they are Avs players. I do understand winning the Cup is the ultimate goal and you might need to trade even good/core players sometimes in order to do so... but there should be certain element of loyalty involved. These are our players, we drafted them, we developed them, they represent the team we like. They should not be tossed at first opportunity to gain someone even shinier. We are not f***ing Vegas.

Its true that we cheer for the team and no player is bigger than that, but its not completely straightforward. If you say you only care about Avs players cause they are Avs players, if we hypothetically swapped entire roster with say Tampa (as the closest team), you want to claim it would not matter to you one bit? That out of blue there would be Stamkos, Point, Kucherov, Hedman, Cirelli instead our guys?
 
Miri said:
But they are Avs players. I do understand winning the Cup is the ultimate goal and you might need to trade even good/core players sometimes in order to do so... but there should be certain element of loyalty involved. These are our players, we drafted them, we developed them, they represent the team we like. They should not be tossed at first opportunity to gain someone even shinier. We are not f***ing Vegas.

Its true that we cheer for the team and no player is bigger than that, but its not completely straightforward. If you say you only care about Avs players cause they are Avs players, if we hypothetically swapped entire roster with say Tampa (as the closest team), you want to claim it would not matter to you one bit? That out of blue there would be Stamkos, Point, Kucherov, Hedman, Cirelli instead our guys?
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Yeah it literally wouldn't matter to me one single bit. I'd start cheering for Kuch, Sergachev, Perry, etc.


If I had a personal relationship with the team and the players it'd be different.
 
dahrougem2 said:
Sick, so outside of having one of the 10 greatest players in NHL history you've found me one team that's done it.

Seems like a way to win for sure.
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Ah, there's that moving the goal post trick you love to pull, good for you!


The original question was "In what world has a team won a Stanley Cup without an elite #1D, and at least one other top pairing Dman to go with it" I provided very clear one, and now two examples of teams in the last 15 years that have done exactly that.

Hopefully that has you understand a little better. Maybe you have that poster ignored, that would make sense to be fair.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
I'm sure my opinion on Byram is well documented but I would say that yes, Lundell has a higher ceiling then Byram.
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I really struggle to see that.

Maybe similar, but I have a hard time seeing Lundell as the higher ceiling player.

Lundell really didn’t do anything at all in the playoffs, while Byram was a driving force behind a cup championship team.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
:laugh:

Trevor Daley - Justin Schultz
Olli Maata - Brian Dumolin
Ian Cole - Ron Hainsey

You wanna tell me who the elite #1D is in that group, or the second Top pairing guy is.


Also if we're in the business of using 4 game sample sizes to declare something as fact... Florida got swept by the Bolts because of Mackenzie Weegar, he alone was directly responsible for 3 of those 4 losses with blunders he created.
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The Panthers don’t have the same horses up front as that team.

Edmonton could win the cup with a mediocre defence imo, because they have two Hart trophy caliber centres, like the Pens. Florida doesn’t have that upfront.
 
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Northern Avs Fan said:
I really struggle to see that.

Maybe similar, but I have a hard time seeing Lundell as the higher ceiling player.

Lundell really didn’t do anything at all in the playoffs, while Byram was a driving force behind a cup championship team.
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Lundell has the upside to be Bergeron.

Byram IMO doesn't even have #1D upside.

Northern Avs Fan said:
The Panthers don’t have the same horses up front as that team.

Edmonton could win the cup with a mediocre defence imo, because they have two Hart trophy caliber centres, like the Pens. Florida doesn’t have that upfront.
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It would be tough. But not impossible. Barkov and Lundell are possibly two of the best two-way centers in the entire league next year. Ekblad is also better then any of those Dmen in Puttsburgh.


Not saying the Panthers are the favorites by any means, and I could see them adding Chychrun at some point. But they're easily still one of the 4-5 top Cup favorites and even with that Defense they could win.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Lundell has the upside to be Bergeron.

Byram IMO doesn't even have #1D upside.



It would be tough. But not impossible. Barkov and Lundell are possibly two of the best two-way centers in the entire league next year. Ekblad is also better then any of those Dmen in Puttsburgh.


Not saying the Panthers are the favorites by any means, and I could see them adding Chychrun at some point. But they're easily still one of the 4-5 top Cup favorites and even with that Defense they could win.
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Lundell has the upside to be Bergeron.

Byram IMO doesn't even have #1D upside.



It would be tough. But not impossible. Barkov and Lundell are possibly two of the best two-way centers in the entire league next year. Ekblad is also better then any of those Dmen in Puttsburgh.


Not saying the Panthers are the favorites by any means, and I could see them adding Chychrun at some point. But they're easily still one of the 4-5 top Cup favorites and even with that Defense they could win.
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You don’t think Byram has #1 upside? He literally just played at that level in the playoffs, as a rookie. Honestly, I think at this point his low end is a 2D.

I think Barkov/Lundell is a great 1-2 punch down the middle. It’s nothing like Crosby/Malkin though.

Barkov consistently underwhelms in the playoffs. He’s basically the Gaudreau of the Eastern Conference. There should be questions about whether, or not he can be the best player on a cup winning team.
 
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I think Lundell is a great young piece but why is he being pegged as this two way monster when he was pretty meh defensively? I mean definitely solid for a rookie but Reinhart did some massive heavy lifting for him.

Great young player with massive potential but right now he’s a very average defensive forward while playing some very average competition.

I don’t think I’ve seen a player as oddly overrated on here as Lundell with such average results in a short period since OEL.
 
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Bill Peckerskull said:


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This is different than the Parise situation right?

The Parise situation, everyone knew he had a deal signed sitting in a drawer somewhere, and I don't recall people like Friedman saying other teams still had a chance to sign him did they? He's pretty good at vetting his sources and it would seem unlikely Lou would go as far as to float rumors that he could return to Colorado.

Nobody has really acted like Kadri has a deal signed and there's been plenty of insiders saying the Avs are still in it. Who knows what's going on, but given all of that, it seems more likely he hasn't signed a deal yet than he has.
 
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