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The Pwnerer

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Lundell is awesome but I think the prospect of building around a Makar-Byram blueline is too good to pass up. In the perfect world you get to roll out Makar and Byram in your top 4 and they carry their own pair. Just like how Pronger and Niedermayer carried the Ducks the year they won it all.
 
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Avs don’t win the SCC without Byram and some Avs fans now some want to trade him for Lundell who was single handedly responsible for pushing the Panthers to a hard fought ECF in the last POs while playing like a 1C. Oh wait, my mistake. Lundell had 9 PO games with 1 (one) goal and 0 (zero) assists. That was on a stacked team.
 
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I guess so. So far this off-season I've seen people on this board legitimately debate trading Toews, Girard and now Byram. I can't wait until we are talking about how trading Makar would open up cap space and allow us to have a really solid 2C.
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Well, you have to admit Makar would bring in a nice 2C and open up some cap space. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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So I've got to believe that Kadri really hasn't been part of the plan. And we aren't really players in this crap other than the team sitting in the back seeing if he'll choose and absurdly low contract with us over a higher with another team.

I think Sakic/C-Mac knew going into ufa that the chances of him coming back was next to 0. But they wanted to be included so they could do their due diligence and.just make sure.

The fact that other teams aren't able to move space and not get him signed is actually is actually holding us up even though weren't not really involved. Because we just want to be 100% positive he isn't coming back instead of the 99.9% we already are.

Unfortunately I think we do have a plan B, not sure what exactly it is, and a 29 contact but won't act on anything until Kadri signs somewhere else.
 
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The Pwnerer said:
Lundell is awesome but I think the prospect of building around a Makar-Byram blueline is too good to pass up. In the perfect world you get to roll out Makar and Byram in your top 4 and they carry their own pair. Just like how Pronger and Niedermayer carried the Ducks the year they won it all.
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I’m not saying I want to or we need to trade Byram for Lundell. But he’s ROR 2.0 and on his elc still. That’s the sort of player you’d move Byram for.
 
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The longer this all takes the more and more convinced I am that the Avs, like many other teams, are waiting for the dominoes to fall in place around the two best players till on the FA market -- Klingberg and Kadri -- and the trades or smaller signings to follow. Most competitive teams looking to sign either of those two will either then be right up against the cap or go over it by under 10 percent and then need to move a player. Even Seattle, who started the off-season with a ton of cap space -- would have to move a guy to sign Klingberg (who they apparently have interest in). When Kadri signs somewhere then Rodriguez and Stastny will find homes within 48 hours.

Back on the Seattle front...they are actually pretty deep at center, especially if they see Wright playing a 3C role or Top 6 this season. Yanni Gourde would be a nice addition for the Avs, more so at the deadline than this summer but you never know.
 

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Feels like Avs are pretty much done with activity outside of maybe a PTO or two to come. I'm totally in favor of it, let the rest of the league make crazy moves just to chase after the Cup winners. Rarely does a team win the Cup because of what they did during the summer before it. At least half of these big signings of other team's players are going to look bad in a year or two. As much as we are thankful to have had Naz and Bura, I think we all can see there is a good chance their deals don't look so hot in the future. So why should Avs management go out and reach for anything? If Stastny wants to come here give him the PTO level deal, if he takes better than that from another team good for him.
 
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The Abusement Park said:
I’m not saying I want to or we need to trade Byram for Lundell. But he’s ROR 2.0 and on his elc still. That’s the sort of player you’d move Byram for.
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I am with you in a vaccum or just playing armchair GM, but I do feel as a long-suffering (between Cup runs) Avs fan that we might be under-appreciating just how hard it is to get high quality young defensemen. When you don't have them, they are super hard to get. Now we have 3 total studs and then a steep drop off in talent all the way to...Manson, who is very solid. I remember when EJ was our top guy, and he was a change of scenery flyer that required giving up a good young defenseman in Shattenkirk. Byram's value, to me, is overpay value.

It might be hard to find a Lundell but it's nearly impossible to find a Byram. We're spoiled with Makar, and Byram could be one of the next 2 or 3 best young defensemen in that mold, in the whole league. Additionally, his make-up and compete are great and he seems like a great room guy and leader type. I can't imagine trading him unless it's something ridiculous back -- I honestly think his trade value is disproportionately higher than his actual value to a team.

I am way more comfortable with a stacked defense and figuring the rest out; if we can find a way to retain Toews and lock up Bo for his best years, I'm doing that every time. And this might sound like heresy, but maybe even at the cost of losing MacKinnon. I love him but if that was the choice, I'd have to think about that real hard.
 
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The last trade I recall that involved a young potential 1C for a 1D was Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen. Its an interesting thought seeing what Byram can garner in a trade but finding a potential #1 defenseman is much more challenging then a 1C in my opinion. Also I think its fair to say a true #1 dmen impacts the game more then a 1C could.

Finding two elite centers is important and I think Pittsburgh showed us that the best in their run. But its interesting to look at Chicago. They never truly had an elite 2C in their Cup wins. Brad Richards seemed like their best at the time. They had amazing winger depth and two incredible defensemen leading the backend.
 
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The Pwnerer said:
The last trade I recall that involved a young potential 1C for a 1D was Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen. Its an interesting thought seeing what Byram can garner in a trade but finding a potential #1 defenseman is much more challenging then a 1C in my opinion. Also I think its fair to say a true #1 dmen impacts the game more then a 1C could.

Finding two elite centers is important and I think Pittsburgh showed us that the best in their run. But its interesting to look at Chicago. They never truly had an elite 2C in their Cup wins. Brad Richards seemed like their best at the time. They had amazing winger depth and two incredible defensemen leading the backend.
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I think that with the way the Avs have been built and the way Bednar likes to coach, it's more important to have those upper echelon transitional players on D, since they rely so heavily on the defensemen making that first pass or rushing the puck out of the zone.
 
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Gumballhead said:
I am with you in a vaccum or just playing armchair GM, but I do feel as a long-suffering (between Cup runs) Avs fan that we might be under-appreciating just how hard it is to get high quality young defensemen. When you don't have them, they are super hard to get. Now we have 3 total studs and then a steep drop off in talent all the way to...Manson, who is very solid. I remember when EJ was our top guy, and he was a change of scenery flyer that required giving up a good young defenseman in Shattenkirk. Byram's value, to me, is overpay value.

It might be hard to find a Lundell but it's nearly impossible to find a Byram. We're spoiled with Makar, and Byram could be one of the next 2 or 3 best young defensemen in that mold, in the whole league. Additionally, his make-up and compete are great and he seems like a great room guy and leader type. I can't imagine trading him unless it's something ridiculous back -- I honestly think his trade value is disproportionately higher than his actual value to a team.

I am way more comfortable with a stacked defense and figuring the rest out; if we can find a way to retain Toews and lock up Bo for his best years, I'm doing that every time. And this might sound like heresy, but maybe even at the cost of losing MacKinnon. I love him but if that was the choice, I'd have to think about that real hard.
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It’s equally as hard to get C’s of that level too. Like I said I’m not saying we need to trade Byram for Lundell but I 100% get the thinking. You get a guy who put up 44 in 65 as a rookie who has selke level potential. I mean you can run 9296 and then have an insane shutdown line of Nuke-Lundell-Lehkonen and still have a top 4 of
Toew-Makar
Girard-Manson

I’d prefer to keep Byram, but Lundell fills a major hole so I get the interest in a move like that. Or you could move Toews instead of Byram as well :dunno:
 
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It’s equally as hard to get C’s of that level too. Like I said I’m not saying we need to trade Byram for Lundell but I 100% get the thinking. You get a guy who put up 44 in 65 as a rookie who has selke level potential. I mean you can run 9296 and then have an insane shutdown line of Nuke-Lundell-Lehkonen and still have a top 4 of
Toew-Makar
Girard-Manson

I’d prefer to keep Byram, but Lundell fills a major hole so I get the interest in a move like that. Or you could move Toews instead of Byram as well :dunno:
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It's one hole or the other. I'd move Toews before I'd even consider moving Byram. And I'd move Girard before I would even consider moving Toews or Byram.

I sincerely doubt Sakic and cMac would consider trading Byram for Lundell.
 
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