Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)
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Foppa2118
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I really hope Kadri doesn't have a signed contract sitting in a drawer in Lou's office somewhere like he did with Parise.
Love Naz but that would be kind of a shitty way to repay all the Av fans for their massive support, especially during that trying time in the playoffs, by making them twist in the wind all summer when they know he's not coming back.
Love Naz but that would be kind of a shitty way to repay all the Av fans for their massive support, especially during that trying time in the playoffs, by making them twist in the wind all summer when they know he's not coming back.
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The Avs management may already be well aware of an « in the drawer » deal with the Islanders.
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The Avs might be in a holding pattern because of cap space around the league and not because they don’t know/strongly suspect Kadri’s committed to another team.
Foppa2118
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They might be, but they wouldn't tell us either.
The Maltsev one way deal making him unlikely to be used as a callup option make it seem like they're ready to go into the season with the team as is if need be. They have a 22 man roster now with Meyers on the team. Though they could move a guy like Compher out if need be.
They could still move EJ around training camp too, but that seems less likely to me, because they'll want another defenseman as an option other than MacDermid. Maybe JJ but that would be pretty late to be making moves like that.
Edit: Dater was incorrect, Maltsev got a two way deal, not a one way.
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He was given until March... he just didn't wow them at all there. Not exactly a coincidence he got 10 points in his last 15/16 games of the regular season when he got pushed to wing full time.
Foppa2118
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My guess has alwasy been that they in a holding patter because they'll take Naz back at a certain price, but their willing to wait for their plan B and C moves.
Probably see what the landscape is around training camp. Then if they don't like the prices, they'll circle back later in the season, and be willing to wait until the deadline if need be. This is patient Joe's MO and even though CMac is the GM now, it sounds like they're just going to continue operating the exact same way as a group.
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No they definitely wouldn’t.
But I also wouldn’t hold it against Kadri at this point if Lou is holding off announcing a deal because of his supposed desire to not let anyone know about his cap situation. Personally, I think Lou’s trying to hide an elephant.
The hole right now is at 2C. If the Avs don’t have a good trade avaialable to them right now, their best bet is to hold off until one becomes available, and/or, sign a cheap filler in the meantime like Staz or ERod.
Maybe they’ve already decided to use Rants at 2C and move Newhook up to a top 6 wing spot.
We’re gonna be in complete limbo until something…or even nothing happens.
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Well the Avs and Islanders are two of the most tight lipped teams in the league. Sometimes you might have agents leaking information but that’s usually to manipulate the situation for his clients benefit. But if his client is already signed/committed to an agreement, there’s no need for the agent to leak information to the media.
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I know I'm just saying if that were the case it would be kind of shitty to put Av fans through that after having his back so strong. He'd have to agree to the whole thing and to not submitting it to the league yet. Hopefully that's not what's going on.
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What’s most encouraging to me is that even though the Avs haven’t made a move for the 2C, nothing is happening right now. There’s been one colossal trade, that didn’t involve centers.
The back up UFA ‘’centers’’ (Stastny and ERod) to Kadri are still not signed and no centers have been moved.
So at this point, unless the Avs didn’t make a trade that was available to them because they were waiting on these other options, they really haven’t missed out on anything.
The back up UFA ‘’centers’’ (Stastny and ERod) to Kadri are still not signed and no centers have been moved.
So at this point, unless the Avs didn’t make a trade that was available to them because they were waiting on these other options, they really haven’t missed out on anything.
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I don't get the feeling that people are down on Newy maybe except for a couple of posters. He is brought up a lot in trade proposals around here mainly because he is a good option to get a 2C in order to have a better chance to win another cup next season. I don't think it is because people are down on him.
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Yeah I think he is going to do well this season. FTR I'm not in the camp to trade him. With that said if it is for a 2C with term I'd do it depending on who the 2C is obviously.
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Doesn't mean he'll stay as a winger.He was given until March... he just didn't wow them at all there. Not exactly a coincidence he got 10 points in his last 15/16 games of the regular season when he got pushed to wing full time.
Ya pretty much... Plus, if he's a Winger not a Center, where does he fit in the lineup long term exactly?
We already have 5 wingers signed for the foreseeable future as is. Landy is here for 7 more years, Nuke for 8 more years, and Lehky for 5 more years. Mikko 3 years(And possibly 8 more after that), and then you've got LOC for 3 years as well.
He's above LOC on the depth charts obviously, but the other 4 guys are all ahead of him at this point, and realistically IMO the only guy he maybe jumps ahead of is Lehkonen if his offensive numbers drop back down to his career levels with us next year. If they dont, and he continues to be a 20-25G, 45-50 point player for us... With his two-way game, Newhook will have a hard time jumping over him as well.
So at that point all 4 Top 6 wingers are here for at least 3 more years. Are we really going to start paying Newhook 4-5M, or potentially even 6M+ to be a 3rd line winger for us? I dont think so, not when with almost $30M invested in wingers already going forward.
IMO this should be the make or break year for Newy with us. Give him a true, extended opportunity at Center with some quality wingers and see if he breaks out in that spot. If you give him 20 games for example at 2C with Rantanen and Lehkonen, and he puts up 15-20 points and looks good in the role, then fine maybe you really do have the internal solution to the 2C spot, and especially if he can carry that over to a full season at 2C and he puts up 55-60 points, at that point maybe we dont even need to trade for a 2C. Perhaps giving him ~6M on a 5-6 year deal is our 2C solution.
But if you give him that opportunity and he looks uncomfortable or not as effective as on the wing or whatever, at that point I think he's quality trade bait for the 2C solution. Though even then he's trade bait for a 1, maybe 2 year solution like a JT Miller or PLD or whoever... But I dont think he has enough value to be a centerpiece for a long term 2C solution either.
That's also why I love the idea of bringing in Stastny in particular on a 1 year deal. He can play 2C, 3C, and he can play on the Wing if needed as well. So you have the option to move him and Newhook around during the season to try and figure out exactly what we've got with Newhook.
My opinion is Newhook will be a good, 55-60 point Winger in the NHL in his prime years, maybe a couple career years where he scores 30G and ~70+ points but in general a high end 2nd line winger sort. For the Avs with the guys we have signed in the last couple of years, that's just not a need for us anymore and so he becomes trade bait for a center.
I also think Olausson should be trade bait as well. For a lot of those same reasons, we dont need wingers for the next 3-4 years at minimum but we really need a Center. Whatever assets we have to use to get a 2C is what they should be trying to do. Everywhere else is pretty much locked in and good to go at that point. The one thing Olausson has going for him is still 3 years of only making 900k. If he pans out at the NHL level that could be a nice cheap 3rd line winger for us for a couple of years.
*Assuming they re-sign Mackinnon at least.
Nope certainly doesn’t. He’ll likely get another run at some point. I’ve been on the ‘wrong’ side of this debate many times… I just don’t see a center in Newhook and the Avs made the supporting moves last year to show they didn’t believe in him (last year) too. Could always change, I’m just doubtful long term.
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I don't think Newhook will be a C either at this point. Obviously still very early and he could wind up there for sure. I don't think we've seen enough to know for certain but he'll need to show something this season assuming there's no moves made for a 2C. He'll have have a chance to battle it out with Compher/Meyers for 2C/3C and if he can't win that than I think it'll mean something.
I think using what the Avs did last year as a reason doesn't make sense tho. I don't take much away from that outside of what you got to see with your eyes. We were trying to win a cup. 90% of young players get pushed to the wing on our roster this season. Signing Meyers? He was rumored to be the best college UFA since Bozak. They are trying to sign him regardless of Newhook. Outside of his actual play on the ice I don't think there's much to take away from this season regarding Newhook at C. They weren't running with a 20/21 year rookie Newhook at C. Very few young players come into the league being able to handle that responsibility on a roster that goes 16-4 on the way to a cup.
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Nearly forgot that Perron, Chiarot and Copp signed in Detroit. Not sure what Yzerman is doing.
I’m going off my eyes first and foremost… just don’t see it there. On the Avs’ decisions… it wasn’t just Meyers, it was Sturm too and the chose to go with Compher over Newhook as well. Plus the Avs are still going to go for the Cup… that situation hasn’t really changed at all besides Newhook just getting a year older…
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