Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[redacted]

Yes, exactly what I think.

I hoped he would bring more this first season, but I thought he did quite well the first part of the season, then kinda hit a wall.

I like his attitude though, seems to work hard and be very coachable. And he was rewarded in the playoffs with some playing time and some very good games where the bottom 6 was crucial.

I think Newhook's best games were post deadline when he got moved to wing and that allowed his offensive talent to really come forward. He's skilled and has a good shot, but he's not a good enough skater to be a 200' center. Limit his responsibilities on the span of the ice and defensively, and he can really show some of that offensive talent inherent in his game.

 

[Raucherhusten]

Well if he explodes, you will have a good problem to have, he would fill the 2C spot, and his value will be much better.

If he progresses steadily, he will be a good player with potential on a cheap contract for a third liner.

He's not a 2C now, heck, not even a 3C. He might get there, sure. But how much time do the Avs have to figure that out? If Kadri doesn't come back, he will likely get a shot at some point. We'll see how it goes.

And again: If he gets good, he also gets really expensive pretty quick.

And NO, nobody hates Newhook. But with a team like the Avs, trying to win now while juggling with a flat-ish cap, all options are on the table. And Newhook is one of the few prime assets left to fill holes elsewhere. And long term, he is wasted in the bottom six.

 

[dahrougem2]

I think Rodrigues makes more sense if we are looking to the future. As he could take on the 3rd liner JTC type role.

But if we are just simply going for it again next season Paully Walnuts makes more sense. As he would be more useful in the short term.

What future? Rodrigues is 29.

 

[chet1926]

What future? Rodrigues is 29.

He'll be useful for 3-5 more seasons. Statsny maybe 1-2. Statsny is the better player but won't be for long.

 

[hoserthehorrible]

Maltsev signed...

 

[EdAVSfan]

For me, I think Newhook is a vital piece for this upcoming season. He and Byram have the biggest potential for their play and production to far exceed their contract values.

As more and more of our top players start getting their long term contracts, those gaps between play and contract will get smaller.

Ideally, we can add a 2C without giving up Newhook.

 

[jaisen73]

I had more or less forgotten about Maltsev. Hope he can elevate his game and maybe find a bottom 6 role?

 

[redacted]

He'll be useful for 3-5 more seasons. Statsny maybe 1-2. Statsny is the better player but won't be for long.

I wouldn't be shocked if ERod fell off a cliff after 30. He's always been a bottom 6 sort and he's coming off a career year... but bottom 6 guys typically hit the cliff a lot harder than top 6 guys.

 

[redacted]

For me, I think Newhook is a vital piece for this upcoming season. He and Byram have the biggest potential for their play and production to far exceed their contract values.

As more and more of our top players start getting their long term contracts, those gaps between play and contract will get smaller.

Ideally, we can add a 2C without giving up Newhook.

The production carries some bonus risk. So they may exceed this year, but there is a chance (small but one) of ~3.4m in cap hit that might all go to overage. I'd say we are a near lock in $2-2.25m in bonus hits that could carry over. Absolutely worth the risk, but it could be a robbing Peter to pay Paul situation where they are cheap this year, but basically make next year even more difficult.

 

[dahrougem2]

He'll be useful for 3-5 more seasons. Statsny maybe 1-2. Statsny is the better player but won't be for long.

Define useful. Because Rodrigues has a half season worth of usefulness to his name.

 

[Belgican]

He's not a 2C now, heck, not even a 3C. He might get there, sure. But how much time do the Avs have to figure that out? If Kadri doesn't come back, he will likely get a shot at some point. We'll see how it goes.

And again: If he gets good, he also gets really expensive pretty quick.

And NO, nobody hates Newhook. But with a team like the Avs, trying to win now while juggling with a flat-ish cap, all options are on the table. And Newhook is one of the few prime assets left to fill holes elsewhere. And long term, he is wasted in the bottom six.

I agree he has value, and if you find a cheap 2C for about 3 years, he would be the primary piece to use to get that 2C. But good luck to find that 2C, I don’t speak about all these fake 2C proposals either.

In the meantime, do you realize he got as many points as JTC on his rookie season, and that JTC earns $3,5 ? If you get Newhook on a bridge deal, he would be the perfect JTC replacement for those 3 years.

I still think the best thing to do is to keep all your players and find a 2C at the deadline. Use picks, no player, we need everybody this year.

 

[chet1926]

I wouldn't be shocked if ERod fell off a cliff after 30. He's always been a bottom 6 sort and he's coming off a career year... but bottom 6 guys typically hit the cliff a lot harder than top 6 guys.

Possible. Tough to say. But in terms of Statsny vs Rodrigues. I can easily say that Staz probably only has 1 or 2 more years tops. Tough to say on Rodrigues.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The production carries some bonus risk. So they may exceed this year, but there is a chance (small but one) of ~3.4m in cap hit that might all go to overage. I'd say we are a near lock in $2-2.25m in bonus hits that could carry over. Absolutely worth the risk, but it could be a robbing Peter to pay Paul situation where they are cheap this year, but basically make next year even more difficult.

Undoubtedly.

But, we know next year will carry sacrifices already. If Newhook performs and earns bonuses, it’s a somewhat good problem to have. Yes, it Carrie’s extra cap. But it also means more trade value, and hopefully a better player if we decide to keep him.

 

[5280]

I don’t know how much influence Sakic will have going forward but it fits his MO to be patient, wait a bit, and see what we have on the team and who might make a solid progression next year. I think we will have a makeshift 2C with Rants, JTC, Newhook and maybe even Meyers for at least the first couple of months going forward while he keeps an eye open for a good trade or a better solution to present itself.

 

[chet1926]

Define useful. Because Rodrigues has a half season worth of usefulness to his name.

I mean Buffalo sucks tough to pin that on him. But in Pittsburgh he's been fairly comparable to JTC.

 

[avsfan09]

I think Newhook's best games were post deadline when he got moved to wing and that allowed his offensive talent to really come forward. He's skilled and has a good shot, but he's not a good enough skater to be a 200' center. Limit his responsibilities on the span of the ice and defensively, and he can really show some of that offensive talent inherent in his game.

I think it’s more likely that the center position and it’s defensive responsibility hurt his offensive production along with being a rookie and trying not to get demoted or scratched than him not being competent enough as a center. He’s a good skater and it’s weird seeing people still buy this.

 

[redacted]

Possible. Tough to say. But in terms of Statsny vs Rodrigues. I can easily say that Staz probably only has 1 or 2 more years tops. Tough to say on Rodrigues.

Stastny certainly doesn't have much left, but I'd say an assumption that ERod has more than 2 is an assumption I wouldn't make. A physically skilled, limited IQ bottom 6 guy isn't typically a fine wine.

Undoubtedly.

But, we know next year will carry sacrifices already. If Newhook performs and earns bonuses, it’s a somewhat good problem to have. Yes, it Carrie’s extra cap. But it also means more trade value, and hopefully a better player if we decide to keep him.

I wouldn't say that automatically means better trade value. If Newhook earns bonuses and is say a ~45 point wing who may have a limited level above, that isn't more valuable than a guy teams still see as a possible 2c prospect. It's a fine line... kinda like Poolparty who had much better value a couple years ago when he wasn't yet a good full time NHLer but had pedigree.... compared to now where he is a useful NHL player, but a limited one.

 

[Richard88]

The fact that Stastny can play multiple positions and also win draws as a LHS would be quite practical. Either you keep him at 2C between Rantanen and Lehkonen, or he can slot in at 3LW with one of Meyers, Compher, or Newhook at 3C, giving the 3rd line multiple faceoff guys with different handedness. His versatility could even free up Newhook to be used in a trade for a proper 2C.

 

[hughdreamz]

Love how Maltsev has been re-signed and no one has even acknowledged haha

 

[avsfan09]

I don’t know how much influence Sakic will have going forward but it is such a Sakic move to be patient, wait a bit, and see what we have on the team and who might make a solid progression next year. I think we will have a makeshift 2C with Rants, JTC, Newhook and maybe even Meyers for at least the first couple of months going forward while he keeps an eye open for a good trade or a better solution to present itself.

This seems very likely to me and probably prudent unless someone is available who likely won’t be at a later time.

 

[dahrougem2]

I mean Buffalo sucks tough to pin that on him. But in Pittsburgh he's been fairly comparable to JTC.

Why tough to pin on him? Perhaps the guy just isn't very good?

 

[AvsWraith]

There have been a lot of chances to get Staz back on the team, and it hasn't happened. You have to think there is a reason for it. He jumped ship when the others stayed, and the core hasn't forgotten it. If you have listened to any interviews, you know that our core has/had a lot of sway over Sakic when it comes to acquiring players. He asks for their opinion on guys he wants to bring in. If they had wanted Staz back, he would've been here by now.

 

[shadow1]

It is being overinflated how much he played center... by quite a bit actually. He didn't play center until January... he played center until late November and then it was sporadic and in spurts. His best games were at center... but also he cleaned up when with Guentzel in spurts (who is a supremely underrated player). Hot streaks happen to a lot of players. Compher has gotten his whole NHL salary off a few hot streaks... ERod is much the same as Compher. Better defensively, but really about the same player.

That's fine though. If MacFarland kicks the can down the road with the 2C slot, it means Colorado needs someone to help fill in the middle-6 for the time being.

Adding Rodrigues bumps MacDermid and Sedlak back out of the line-up and adds some depth.

 

[redacted]

That's fine though. If MacFarland kicks the can down the road with the 2C slot, it means Colorado needs someone to help fill in the middle-6 for the time being.

Adding Rodrigues bumps MacDermid and Sedlak back out of the line-up and adds some depth.

Is a Compher-ERod middle 6 center group really fine?

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

I don't think its about whether Newhook is good enough or not. Its about next year's cap space. EJ's money goes to Mac and JTs money goes to Bo. We're back to our current situation, being about $4M available for a 2C, and nothing extra for Newhook.

We already might have to move one of the top-5 DMan to make it all fit, without Newhook's raise. So the question will be whether its better to move another person to keep Newhook or to trade Newhook. If he doesn't take the 2C role, he will be competing with Mikko, Gabe, Lehk and Nish for the top 6 wings, or will need to prove that its best to trade a Dman to keep him as a 3rd line wing, which is unlikely.

It will be very tough to keep him afte rthis year.