Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Pierce Hawthorne]

So uh Subban 1m for 1 year now?

Uhhhh, Why?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Uhhhh, Why?

If it was 2014 I’d be down.

 

[Pokecheque]

Again, where is the "extremely high" praise? There is nothing here that Henchy has not posted about. He went on an insane hot streak to start last season, then tailed off. But before that he was a capable depth player who had good underlying stats, that's never been a secret.

So he's saying the price point is well worth the gamble of $2 million. I'm inclined to agree.

 

[Avaholic29]

Again, where is the "extremely high" praise? There is nothing here that Henchy has not posted about. He went on an insane hot streak to start last season, then tailed off. But before that he was a capable depth player who had good underlying stats, that's never been a secret.

So he's saying the price point is well worth the gamble of $2 million. I'm inclined to agree.

Calling Evan rodrigues an elite player at any point is pretty high praise lol

 

[Pokecheque]

Calling Evan rodrigues an elite player at any point is pretty high praise lol

No it's not. It's fact. From October to December of last year E-Rod was a goddamned force.

 

[MacKaRtin]

Uhhhh, Why?

Maybe the OP is a huge fan of slew foots?

 

[Richard88]

Rodrigues $2m
Meyers $0.9m

That's two really good depth additions at no cost. The sort of adds that keep the roster contending despite not being augmented by draft picks.

 

[redacted]

Rodrigues $2m
Meyers $0.9m

That's two really great depth additions for the Avs. The sort of adds that keep the roster contending despite not being augmented by draft picks.

I think Meyers has a real chance to become a great player here. I need to see the offense really translate, but I see a floor of a 3C after he settles in (may take a season). If the offense translates, he might end up the answer. Large if at them moment.

 

[Hasbro]

Why does everyone want Subban? His skating would be a major problem in Bednars system.

Binny Breaker.

McFar filled Jost’s old salary slot with ERod.

 

[nammerus]

I think Meyers has a real chance to become a great player here. I need to see the offense really translate, but I see a floor of a 3C after he settles in (may take a season). If the offense translates, he might end up the answer. Large if at them moment.

What’s a good comp for him going forward (if he hits some of his potential)?

 

[redacted]

What’s a good comp for him going forward (if he hits some of his potential)?

Blake Coleman that sticks at center.

 

[The Merchant]

I think people give JFresh way too much credit for player evaluation, just because he thinks the world of a player doesn't always make it true. I think Rodrigues is a very solid bottom 6 guy with versatility. There is good value to those types of players.


Most of them... about 30-35 games worth. About half of those lined up next to Crosby. I do think Rodrigues can help with the 2nd PP unit, he has some skill that should prove useful there.

Jfresh isn't the end all be all, but he is a good point of reference. His analytics have highlighted players like Toews and Nuke before either of them broke out, for example. You can think what you want about WAR as a fancy, but his stats produce good underlyings.

As for Rodrigues, he is an elite transition player and was one of the best entry players in the entire league last year. He'll fit in just fine to the Avs' structure, but tends to only produce when given consistent top-6 minutes.

It should also be noted that he was at his most productive while Sid and Geno were out of the lineup. He produced at a PPG pace with lesser talent, but with heavy minutes. If that holds up he'll be good injury insurance if nothing else.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

I see that and raise you California.

Clearly you've never had California Pizza Kitchen...

 

[Avaholic29]

No it's not. It's fact. From October to December of last year E-Rod was a goddamned force.

What do you consider praise then? Confused here haha

 

[Pokecheque]

What do you consider praise then? Confused here haha

I never said he wasn't praising the guy, I just don't see why people are claiming he's over-the-moon about the guy when he's simply stating E-Rod was playing insanely well for the first half of last year (he was) and then tailed off to less respectable, but still pretty good numbers. Said in multiple posts the guy is not a natural finisher, but is a capable middle six player. This is not Bugs Bunny when he sees the original 90s version of Lola walking down the street with his eyeballs morphing into heart shapes.

 

[redacted]

Someone said it in another thread... Johnny Malkin. ERod can play up and put up some numbers in spurts because he has a great shot and a good set of hands. He can't consistently do it because he's not an intelligent hockey player. Also can be moved around and contribute in a variety of ways. He's a fine 3rd liner in a similar manner to Compher. A Swiss Army knife type that coaches tend to love.

Any issue I have with ERod is simply about people penciling him in as a good 2nd liner on this team (IE not really about him). That is setting the bar WAY too high for him. If you're more reasonable in saying he's a more well rounded Compher who won't put up as many points because of blinders... that's a good player for 2m and no commitment beyond this season.

 

[Avsboy]

No one is saying ERod is a fantastic 2C. He's serviceable. Every team has holes, this team now has a much smaller hole at 2C.

 

[redacted]

No one is saying ERod is a fantastic 2C. He's serviceable. Every team has holes, this team now has a much smaller hole at 2C.

I wouldn't say he's a serviceable 2C. He's a serviceable middle 6 guy who is a good 3rd liner, who can play center. Anybody stating he's a high end 3rd liner or top 6 guy is going too far. Seen plenty of that this summer.

 

[Ararana]

And at the moment he's the best 2C option. Not great, but it is what it is.

 

[Avsboy]

I wouldn't say he's a serviceable 2C. He's a serviceable middle 6 guy who is a good 3rd liner, who can play center. Anybody stating he's a high end 3rd liner or top 6 guy is going too far. Seen plenty of that this summer.

The metrics and point production last year really tell a different story. He is a high end 3rd liner and will be a serviceable 2nd liner next to the great top 6 Avs wingers.

Compher is an average 3rd liner. Is he not better than Compher?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I still think the most ideal lineup for the Avs this year would be:

Landy - Mack - Nuke
Lehky - Mikko - Newhook
JTC - Meyers - ERod
LOC - Helm - Cogliano
Sedlak/Blidh


If you can get Mikko to work out at 2C that solves all of our issues. Then you trade our 2023 1st + Olausson for Patty Kane and you roll into the playoffs with:

Landy - Mack - Nuke
Kane - Mikko - Newhook
Lehky - ERod - JTC
LOC - Helm - Meyers/Cogliano



Mikko transitioning to Center full time would solve this teams single biggest problem long term. Then you dont have to focus a potential Toews/Girard trade on getting a 2C but instead just getting the best possible haul of futures to both alleviate our cap issues and restock some of the cupboards that will be very important in our hopes of opening another Cup window in ~3 years time.

 

[redacted]

The metrics and point production last year really tell a different story. He is a high end 3rd liner and will be a serviceable 2nd liner next to the great top 6 Avs wingers.

See... this is my point. He's really not either of those. He's a solid player and a good guy to have on the 3rd line. He's not a Gourde type though... a legit high end 3rd liner. He's certainly not a serviceable 2nd liner.

 

[shadow1]

Someone said it in another thread... Johnny Malkin. ERod can play up and put up some numbers in spurts because he has a great shot and a good set of hands. He can't consistently do it because he's not an intelligent hockey player. Also can be moved around and contribute in a variety of ways. He's a fine 3rd liner in a similar manner to Compher. A Swiss Army knife type that coaches tend to love.

Any issue I have with ERod is simply about people penciling him in as a good 2nd liner on this team (IE not really about him). That is setting the bar WAY too high for him. If you're more reasonable in saying he's a more well rounded Compher who won't put up as many points because of blinders... that's a good player for 2m and no commitment beyond this season.

Really? Because this morning you were giving me flack for a pretty vanilla comment about my expectations for Rodrigues:

I have no idea if E-Rod will score 19 goals again, but it's reasonable to assume he'll chip in 30+ points and be a solid two-way player.

And now hours later you're saying in one thread Rodrigues has low hockey IQ, and here in another thread that he's John Mitchell 2.0.

If you don't like the player, at least admit it.

 

[redacted]

Really? Because this morning you were giving me flack for a pretty vanilla comment about my expectations for Rodrigues:



And now hours later you're saying in one thread Rodrigues has low hockey IQ, and here in another thread that he's John Mitchell 2.0.

If you don't like the player, at least admit it.

Because I feel 30+ as the baseline is too high given who he is as a player.

I like the player, I just slot him as a guy who is a versatile 3rd liner.

Me LAST summer:

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[The Abusement Park]

The metrics and point production last year really tell a different story. He is a high end 3rd liner and will be a serviceable 2nd liner next to the great top 6 Avs wingers.

Compher is an average 3rd liner. Is he not better than Compher?

Compher is better than ERod.