Friedman: Gibson is interested in Carolina, or Edmonton

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This thread has been so entertaining.

It is wild how fans cannot put themselves in the shoes of another team and understand their situation. There is no negative for the Ducks in keeping Gibson.
His cap doesn’t matter when they have the most cap space in the league.
His desire to be traded as it is being rumored doesn’t matter. The same rumors have been flying for 2 years and he is still here.
The Ducks are trying to win and Gibson has a way bigger impact on them winning then what is being offered.

I get a kick out of the ones who seem to think it's a negotiation tactic by Ducks fans or something. We genuinely just don't see a reason to move him unless we can be convinced the trade helps us as much or more than Gibson. Under no obligation to help evenly disperse the goalie talent around the league or help other teams fulfill a huge need while getting nothing of consequence in return.
 
Are you saying Fowler was a bad deal?
No. For Gibson, I'm saying the deal you're trying so hard to sell is a bad deal.. for the Ducks.

As for the Fowler trade..
For an ageing 33 year old Fowler, a 2nd rnd draft pick and a prospect who will most likely never play in the NHL, it was a debatable deal for Anaheim. In the short term, it's a better deal for St Louis

Gibson is worth more than what the Ducks traded Cam Fowler for... which basically distills down to St Louis's 2027 2nd round draft pick.
 
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Are you saying Fowler was a bad deal?
Well...yeah. That it was completely necessary to get done in a relatively short period of time pretty much handcuffed PV into taking the first deal that came along with a team that Fowler was good with. In that situation there was really no way to avoid a 'bad' deal but it had to be done.

However that has zero to do with the Gibson situation here & now. Almost the opposite in fact. The Ducks absolutely do not need to move on from him for reasons that have been explained over & over & over. The Oilers otoh are in a situation where if they want to really compete/be Cup favorites 'they' are the ones being handcuffed into making a 'bad' deal. If they're willing to pay PV's high price, one that will make the Ducks measurably better long term, fine. If not that's fine too. But there's zero need to get a 'Fowler' return on any deal, far from it.
 
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We do have a big, promising winger in Shane LaChance (6'5" 218 and almost a point per game at Boston U) coming down the pipeline.

Isn't he potentially able to take the NCAA UFA route this year? He seems like a project ... you'd expect bigger numbers in a D+4 year. I mean, I'd probably take him, but only as a throw in, so you're probably better off keeping him.

Well...yeah. That it was completely necessary to get done in a relatively short period of time pretty much handcuffed PV into taking the first deal that came along with a team that Fowler was good with. In that situation there was really no way to avoid a 'bad' deal but it had to be done.

I'm not even sure it was a bad deal. Fowler wasn't gonna return a 1st either, a 2nd seems quite fair. It's just that the goal wasn't the pick ... it was swapping Fowler for Trouba.

However that has zero to do with the Gibson situation here & now. Almost the opposite in fact. The Ducks absolutely do not need to move on from him for reasons that have been explained over & over & over. The Oilers otoh are in a situation where if they want to really compete/be Cup favorites 'they' are the ones being handcuffed into making a 'bad' deal. If they're willing to pay PV's high price, one that will make the Ducks measurably better long term, fine. If not that's fine too. But there's zero need to get a 'Fowler' return on any deal, far from it.

I don't even think it has to be a huge impact return. I mean sure a 1st would be of interest, but I'd rather have a player who will contribute now or soon, instead of waiting several years for the benefit. Which means a prospect who is close to NHL ready, or an under-30 veteran.

Of course, he's not going to return an impact scorer or high-potential prospect, he doesn't have that value. And the Ducks don't need D or G beyond taking back whoever the trading team is replacing with Gibson, so they at least have a backup for this year.

But if someone offered a really good PKer and puck hunting defensive specialist who is only a 3rd liner, that's at least adding something that the Ducks do not have, yet they clearly need. Yes they downgrade in goal, but they upgrade special teams and their bottom 6. And it's not a crazy ask ... a 3rd liner (a good one, not just a meh checking prospect) for a guy who might be your starting goalie for the next 3 playoffs? If that's too high a price, then they're just not that serious about upgrading in net.

Don't know if anyone on the Oilers/Canes or in their pipelines fit that. You guys got any more Marchants or Coglianos you're hiding in your back pockets there?
 
Isn't he potentially able to take the NCAA UFA route this year? He seems like a project ... you'd expect bigger numbers in a D+4 year. I mean, I'd probably take him, but only as a throw in, so you're probably better off keeping him.



I'm not even sure it was a bad deal. Fowler wasn't gonna return a 1st either, a 2nd seems quite fair. It's just that the goal wasn't the pick ... it was swapping Fowler for Trouba.



I don't even think it has to be a huge impact return. I mean sure a 1st would be of interest, but I'd rather have a player who will contribute now or soon, instead of waiting several years for the benefit. Which means a prospect who is close to NHL ready, or an under-30 veteran.

Of course, he's not going to return an impact scorer or high-potential prospect, he doesn't have that value. And the Ducks don't need D or G beyond taking back whoever the trading team is replacing with Gibson, so they at least have a backup for this year.

But if someone offered a really good PKer and puck hunting defensive specialist who is only a 3rd liner, that's at least adding something that the Ducks do not have, yet they clearly need. Yes they downgrade in goal, but they upgrade special teams and their bottom 6. And it's not a crazy ask ... a 3rd liner (a good one, not just a meh checking prospect) for a guy who might be your starting goalie for the next 3 playoffs? If that's too high a price, then they're just not that serious about upgrading in net.

Don't know if anyone on the Oilers/Canes or in their pipelines fit that. You guys got any more Marchants or Coglianos you're hiding in your back pockets there?

So Mcleod? Wonder if we can pry him out of Buffalo for a 3 way trade lol
 
Totally different situations.

Fowler was blocking someone so there was upside to moving him. Gibson is not.
Gibson isn't blocking someone? lol Gibson wants to be a full-time starter and that isn't happening with Dostal on the team. Gibson is also 8 years old than Dostal. So in a sense, yeah he's blocking someone. The Ducks, right now, are much better off spending Gibson's money on elite forward help than having him serve as 1B
 
This thread has been so entertaining.

It is wild how fans cannot put themselves in the shoes of another team and understand their situation.
This is a two-way street and it seems the issue is asynchronicity to some extent. Gibson is apparently interested in two teams that aren't going to give Verbeek what the Ducks are looking for, for very different reasons.

*Edmonton doesn't really have the right assets to acquire Gibson, especially since they would need retention. That's been my takeaway here.

*Carolina has those assets, and is probably interested (they "make/take a call" on everybody if they think it might improve the team.) but is an organization that believes philosophically in goalie tandems and having a borderline-NHL-quality 3rd in the AHL. They have their expected 1a goalie and are looking for the 1b goalie in that tandem to replace Andersen. Gibson isn't going to be the F/T starter there unless he just outright steals the job by being the Gibson of 5 years ago. He simply doesn't have the value to Carolina to justify Verbeek's expected asking price. Carolina not only doesn't need retention...they would probably rather forego it in order to push down the price further (Kochetkov and Gibson at full-salary is an affordable and serviceable NHL tandem) and send back expiring cap this season to fit Gibson.

I would suggest perhaps Gibson finds more teams to be interested in.
 
I don't think Carolina is that interested. Andersen is back and has solid numbers this year. How much do you realistically expect them to put on the table for another goalie when they already have one that's OK. Likely not a 1st round pick. Besides I think they basically blew their wad on the massive Rantanen + Hall adds, most teams don't want to pile on tons of roster change as it upsets team chemistry this late in the season.

I could see Carolina maybe adding a Reimer or Quick for dirt cheap as insurance, but spending a 1st on another goalie is likely not in the cards.
 
So is the consensus Ana wants a 1st for Gibson at 50%? That's what I gathered from the thread but not sure. If so sign up me up as an Oiler fan for the 2026 1st.
For me absolutely not. $6.5 in retention for a couple of years plus Gibson is worth more than a probable very late 1st (a draft position where historically only 50% of those picked ever play more than a handful of games in the NHL). What he's giving the team now with very good goaltending & sheltering Dostal from 'all' the workload, and giving the rest of the team confidence about winning is worth keeping him if that is all that's offered. PV apparently agrees with that given his "Go ahead and call about him but you won't like the price" attitude... No, goalies tend not to return much for whatever reason but then we're back to 'if that's it, why trade him?'

If, assuming he continues playing at least at a decent level, he'll return essentially the same/only slightly less in a year or two with less retention & having the use of him...why trade him now?

(plus one of the retention slots is being taken up with Fowler's contract, using another for Gibson for another 2+ years handcuffs them there too)
 
But if someone offered a really good PKer and puck hunting defensive specialist who is only a 3rd liner, that's at least adding something that the Ducks do not have, yet they clearly need. Yes they downgrade in goal, but they upgrade special teams and their bottom 6. And it's not a crazy ask ... a 3rd liner (a good one, not just a meh checking prospect) for a guy who might be your starting goalie for the next 3 playoffs? If that's too high a price, then they're just not that serious about upgrading in net.
Yeah that would probably be fine. Better than a mystery box late in the round pick anyway
 
The only team that will offer a 1st for a goalie is IMO Edmonton. And that's not even because they are *that* desperate in net (Skinner has a lot of supporters in the Edmonton media, no matter what he's going to have the "yeah but you got to a Cup Final just 1 year ago with me" thing going for him).

It will be more if the options at forward and D aren't super great this year IMO, if adding Gibson for a 1st is better than say adding a Ristolanien or something like that, I can see the Oilers going in that direction.
 
Gibson isn't blocking someone? lol Gibson wants to be a full-time starter and that isn't happening with Dostal on the team.

Dostal can't play 82 games. And their AHL guys aren't good enough.

Also keep in mind you don't want to end up in a Swayman situation, where a guy has you over a barrel at negotiation time because he now knows he's your only option. At the very least, it may serve them to keep him through Dostal's extension talk.

This is a two-way street and it seems the issue is asynchronicity to some extent. Gibson is apparently interested in two teams that aren't going to give Verbeek what the Ducks are looking for, for very different reasons.

*Edmonton doesn't really have the right assets to acquire Gibson, especially since they would need retention. That's been my takeaway here.

I don't think retention is a problem, except some Oil fans seem to think the value of the retention alone should be sufficient to acquire Gibson.

*Carolina has those assets, and is probably interested (they "make/take a call" on everybody if they think it might improve the team.) but is an organization that believes philosophically in goalie tandems and having a borderline-NHL-quality 3rd in the AHL. They have their expected 1a goalie and are looking for the 1b goalie in that tandem to replace Andersen.

Anaheim fans know first hand about Andersen. If I have both in the playoffs, I'm starting Gibson without hesitation. Andersen has had the good fortune of playing for mostly good teams, and he can do an excellent job for the most part in that situation, but there's a playoff ceiling there. The Ducks found that out, and so did the Leafs. So long as you don't run into other good teams with better goaltending, or teams you're clearly better than, you'll be fine, but how often does that happen for 4 rounds?

Gibson OTOH has had the misfortune of being a few years too young to be starter in the Ducks' best years. If he'd been the starter a couple years earlier, before the cracks in the Ducks lineup started showing, I suspect they have at least one more Cup. If anything, he papered over their decline for at least a year or two.

Gibson isn't going to be the F/T starter there unless he just outright steals the job by being the Gibson of 5 years ago. He simply doesn't have the value to Carolina to justify Verbeek's expected asking price. Carolina not only doesn't need retention...they would probably rather forego it in order to push down the price further (Kochetkov and Gibson at full-salary is an affordable and serviceable NHL tandem) and send back expiring cap this season to fit Gibson.

I would easily take back Andersen just to fill the tandem for the rest of the year. It's just a question of whether or not there's anything they actually want that works. Perhaps not.

I would suggest perhaps Gibson finds more teams to be interested in.

I'm sure he's fine with just about any competitive playoff team at this point. It just may have to wait another year, when his term is even shorter, and his relative AAV is even lower. Every year, there's a contender that's probably a goalie away. Usually they band-aid it, but once in a while someone goes for it. And I guarantee you, one of these teams that's had goaltending issues this year that declined to pay for Gibson, will crash and burn because netminding, and he still might be available next year.

I could see Carolina maybe adding a Reimer or Quick for dirt cheap as insurance, but spending a 1st on another goalie is likely not in the cards.

Oh man, I wouldn't trust Reimer as insurance at this point. It only took 2 appearances for the Ducks to decide they were better off playing Dostal into the ground when Gibson was out. Quick maybe, but depends on where the Rangers are at ... if they're in the playoffs he's THEIR insurance, no?

Gibson is also 8 years old than Dostal. So in a sense, yeah he's blocking someone. The Ducks, right now, are much better off spending Gibson's money on elite forward help than having him serve as 1B

They already have enough cap space to sign an elite forward, probably even multiples. The problem is, cap space isn't the reason elite forwards won't be signing in Anaheim this summer. It's not an either/or situation, where Gibson holds them back from signing anyone, they theoretically can have both, but the reality is those guys are gonna have the choice of better teams with similar money to offer. They'll be like most other rebuilding teams, picking from leftover FAs and taking on good teams' salary dumps.
 
They already have enough cap space to sign an elite forward, probably even multiples. The problem is, cap space isn't the reason elite forwards won't be signing in Anaheim this summer. It's not an either/or situation, where Gibson holds them back from signing anyone, they theoretically can have both, but the reality is those guys are gonna have the choice of better teams with similar money to offer. They'll be like most other rebuilding teams, picking from leftover FAs and taking on good teams' salary dumps.
in 26-27, a handful of the kids will need new contracts. Many can be bridge deals but a few (e.g. LaCombe) will likely be long term deals. We need to maximize the amount of money especially since Anaheim is an internal cap team.

On the goalie front, I'm game with replacing Gibson with a $2-3M good #2 goalie and letting Dostal get 50 games as the #1. Might be old school logic but Dosty is ready.
 
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This thread has been so entertaining.

It is wild how fans cannot put themselves in the shoes of another team and understand their situation. There is no negative for the Ducks in keeping Gibson.
His cap doesn’t matter when they have the most cap space in the league.
His desire to be traded as it is being rumored doesn’t matter. The same rumors have been flying for 2 years and he is still here.
The Ducks are trying to win and Gibson has a way bigger impact on them winning then what is being offered.
If the Ducks are trying to win then why are they spending near the cap floor? I get the feeling ownership isnt going to want to shell out 10-11M on two goalies next season. After years of not being able to move that contract, Gibson has put together a decent stretch that may make him more attractive to teams but the goalie buyers market is quite thin, if the wheels come off for Gibson then Verbeek is back in the same spot with Gibson he’s been the last two years except now they also have to pay Dostal and give him a good portion of the starts.

My opinion is it’s highly unlikely one of the few teams potentially looking at goalies is going to pay 1st rounder equivalent value or one of their top prospects so in that case maybe the Ducks just hold onto him for the time being but if I was a betting man, I think Verbeek uses the opportunity a stretch of good play has provided to do right by a player who wants to move on, clear some payroll for ownership, create some cap and payroll to spend elsewhere on the roster, clear the way for Dostal to be their 1A, and pick up some trade currency for other moves.

If he’s traded I think it’ll be something like Gibson 30% retained for a mid 2nd + a mid prospect or a 4th.
 
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For me absolutely not. $6.5 in retention for a couple of years plus Gibson is worth more than a probable very late 1st (a draft position where historically only 50% of those picked ever play more than a handful of games in the NHL). What he's giving the team now with very good goaltending & sheltering Dostal from 'all' the workload, and giving the rest of the team confidence about winning is worth keeping him if that is all that's offered. PV apparently agrees with that given his "Go ahead and call about him but you won't like the price" attitude... No, goalies tend not to return much for whatever reason but then we're back to 'if that's it, why trade him?'

If, assuming he continues playing at least at a decent level, he'll return essentially the same/only slightly less in a year or two with less retention & having the use of him...why trade him now?

(plus one of the retention slots is being taken up with Fowler's contract, using another for Gibson for another 2+ years handcuffs them there too)
So what's the ask either with retention or without?

Does PV have any consideration to honour players wishes to play for a contender to build that kind of reputation as a GM for future transactions or does he not care to build that reputation? Asking out of curiosity. Ken Holland def believed in that.
 
Gibson isn't blocking someone? lol Gibson wants to be a full-time starter and that isn't happening with Dostal on the team. Gibson is also 8 years old than Dostal. So in a sense, yeah he's blocking someone. The Ducks, right now, are much better off spending Gibson's money on elite forward help than having him serve as 1B
The Ducks have 17 mil in cap space currently, and are projected to have around 40 mil after the season with only McTavish, Helleson, and Dostal needing RFA contracts.
Gibson's contract is the last thing keeping the Ducks from signing an elite forward.

This isn't the 90s where 1 goalie plays 70 games. They are a like 60/40 split with Gibson getting the majority since returning from injury. Thats a good thing, not something to be worried about and forsure not a reason to trade Gibson for a return that doesnt make the Ducks better.

This is a two-way street and it seems the issue is asynchronicity to some extent. Gibson is apparently interested in two teams that aren't going to give Verbeek what the Ducks are looking for, for very different reasons.

*Edmonton doesn't really have the right assets to acquire Gibson, especially since they would need retention. That's been my takeaway here.

*Carolina has those assets, and is probably interested (they "make/take a call" on everybody if they think it might improve the team.) but is an organization that believes philosophically in goalie tandems and having a borderline-NHL-quality 3rd in the AHL. They have their expected 1a goalie and are looking for the 1b goalie in that tandem to replace Andersen. Gibson isn't going to be the F/T starter there unless he just outright steals the job by being the Gibson of 5 years ago. He simply doesn't have the value to Carolina to justify Verbeek's expected asking price. Carolina not only doesn't need retention...they would probably rather forego it in order to push down the price further (Kochetkov and Gibson at full-salary is an affordable and serviceable NHL tandem) and send back expiring cap this season to fit Gibson.

I would suggest perhaps Gibson finds more teams to be interested in.
Or, OR, the Ducks just don't trade Gibson.
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Believe it or not it is not the Ducks duty to grant him his RUMORED preference. It is also not the Ducks duty to make cup contenders better at a discount. And it sure as shit is not the Ducks duty to do both of those things while not getting anything in return that makes them better in the short term or long term.
 
To me it looks like this:

Gibson has been bad for a few years, has a NMC, has said he wants out for several years now and has named 2 teams he wants to go to.

Anaheim posters want premium value or are happy to keep him as they don't care about cap space. When I suggest using that cap space for some forwards going forward, there are no good forwards for that low.

When a guy has a NMC and only says 2 teams, you don't get premium value.

So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out... the only realistic option for Anaheim posters is to keep the duo going and not trade him. I'm curious if the owners feel the same. My obligatory, you won't get what you think you will get post.lol
 
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So what's the ask either with retention or without?

Does PV have any consideration to honour players wishes to play for a contender to build that kind of reputation as a GM for future transactions or does he not care to build that reputation? Asking out of curiosity. Ken Holland def believed in that.
If anyone answers that question with anything but "who knows" then they better have sources because there is no way any of us know that answer.

If he is more focused on honoring a players desired trade request then what is best for the team then that's an issue.
 
To me it looks like this:

Gibson has been bad for a few years, has a NMC, has said he wants out for several years now and has named 2 teams he wants to go to.

Anaheim posters want premium value or are happy to keep him as they don't care about cap space. When I suggest using that cap space for some forwards going forward, there are no good forwards for that low.

When a guy has a NMC and only says 2 teams, you don't get premium value.

So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out... the only realistic option for Anaheim posters is to keep the duo going and not trade him. I'm curious if the owners feel the same. My obligatory, you won't get what you think you will get post.lol
What do you think the owners prefer, paying Gibson to help the Ducks win games, or pay half his salary to help another team win games?

And even if this crazy thing happened where the Ducks didn't have to take a cap dumb or retain, trading Gibson brings them under the cap floor. They will have to spend that money anyways.

Gibson's contract should have literally zero effect on trading Gibson from the Ducks perspective.
 
So is the consensus Ana wants a 1st for Gibson at 50%? That's what I gathered from the thread but not sure. If so sign up me up as an Oiler fan for the 2026 1st.
According to David Pagnotta, Verbeek's asking price is Stu Skinner and a top level prospect.
I can only assume the prospect is Matt Savoie or Sam O'Reilly. So I guess thst kind of translates out to Skinner + a 1st. I don't know about the 50% retention. Anaheim can certainly afford it.

 
The Ducks have 17 mil in cap space currently, and are projected to have around 40 mil after the season with only McTavish, Helleson, and Dostal needing RFA contracts.
Gibson's contract is the last thing keeping the Ducks from signing an elite forward.

This isn't the 90s where 1 goalie plays 70 games. They are a like 60/40 split with Gibson getting the majority since returning from injury. Thats a good thing, not something to be worried about and forsure not a reason to trade Gibson for a return that doesnt make the Ducks better.
The following summer, the Ducks have to give new contracts to Z, Cutter, Leo, LaCombe, Minty, Zelly. So its not just about this summer. Some of those guys will get bridge deals but its possible a couple get long term as well.
 
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