Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Richard Doll]

It's kind of a narrow berth for Newhook and the Avs. If he totally explodes, he's one more hungry mouth to feed and it increases his contract ask. If he's terrible, then they possibly try to still trade him?

Maybe they'll use the platooning as a ploy to restrain his numbers and limit his ask?

The thing is though, is that many want him to be traded for guys who already have decent sized contracts.

If they play him, he earns the role, and he earns a big payday, I would rather pay a young guy that I developed than trade the young guy for an older guy who comes with a big contract.

 

[Richard88]

Thoughts on a Newhook for Bennett swap?

Avs would get a 2C at $4.45m x3.

Florida push Lundell to 2C and have Newhook at 2LW on an ELC and can afford his raise next year (which the Avs might struggle with).

Crucially Florida also get $3m+ in capspace which gives them enough to cover Duclair's caphit when he comes back, and in the meantime they can accrue cap and roll a 22 or 23 man roster instead of a 20 man roster.

You may need to juggle cap a bit to make it work from the Avs perspective to cover bonuses, but without Newhook bonuses should be lower anyhow.

That would be giving up on Newhook as 2C early but at least it lands you a 2C on a good contract without giving up Girard.

 

[MacKaRtin]

if we could land an elite 2C I would easily pay Girard+Newhook+Olausson+first


PLD should be the target if Winnipeg starts to waiver on him at all.

Dubois quit on his team in Columbus (although if that dinosaur Tortorella were my boss, I might quit on him too) and was part of a strained dressing room in Winnipeg last year too.

I don't trust players like that, nor would I expect him to have interest in signing long term unless it's for an inflated number.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Thoughts on a Newhook for Bennett swap?

Avs would get a 2C at $4.45m x3.

Florida push Lundell to 2C and have Newhook at 2LW on an ELC and can afford his raise next year (which the Avs might struggle with).

Crucially Florida also get $3m+ in capspace which gives them enough to cover Duclair's caphit when he comes back, and in the meantime they can accrue cap and roll a 22 or 23 man roster instead of a 20 man roster.

You may need to juggle cap a bit to make it work from the Avs perspective to cover bonuses, but without Newhook bonuses should be lower anyhow.

That would be giving up on Newhook as 2C early but at least it lands you a 2C on a good contract without giving up Girard.

If Bennett one for one is the best Girard can get, I'd rather do this.

Let's say Newhook's ceiling is that of a 7 million dollar C. If his bust risk is 50%, that means his value is 3.5 million. Yes, you can adjust that for other scenarios but I'm interested in seeing others' think about this.

Richard Doll makes a good point too though.

 

[redacted]

Thoughts on a Newhook for Bennett swap?

Avs would get a 2C at $4.45m x3.

Florida push Lundell to 2C and have Newhook at 2LW on an ELC and can afford his raise next year (which the Avs might struggle with).

Crucially Florida also get $3m+ in capspace which gives them enough to cover Duclair's caphit when he comes back, and in the meantime they can accrue cap and roll a 22 or 23 man roster instead of a 20 man roster.

You may need to juggle cap a bit to make it work from the Avs perspective to cover bonuses, but without Newhook bonuses should be lower anyhow.

That would be giving up on Newhook as 2C early but at least it lands you a 2C on a good contract without giving up Girard.

I'd absolutely do it, but I don't see why Florida would.

 

[Pokecheque]

Interesting that people keep harping on Sam Bennett, what about the other 2014 NHL Draft Sam? Reinhart should be a capable center, frankly I think he's a more balanced player than Bennett and carries less risk in the penalty department.

 

[redacted]

What signs has Newhook shown that he can be a 2C? I see very little evidence to show that he is capable of that role... ever. Always possible a step in development happens, but when a player doesn't have the skill set and has already struggled at the position... seems like a square peg, round hole sort of problem to me.

I do think people a sleeping a bit on Meyers though. The ultimate amount of offense there is the major question question with him. I don't think it is there, but I also didn't think he'd put up 40 points in college last year.

Interesting that people keep harping on Sam Bennett, what about the other 2014 NHL Draft Sam? Reinhart should be a capable center, frankly I think he's a more balanced player than Bennett and carries less risk in the penalty department.

The problem is his capability at center. He's just not very good there and is so much better at the wing at providing value. He's a legit top line wing, where at center he's always been pretty meh.

 

[Richard88]

Thoughts on a Newhook for Bennett swap?

Avs would get a 2C at $4.45m x3.

Florida push Lundell to 2C and have Newhook at 2LW on an ELC and can afford his raise next year (which the Avs might struggle with).

Crucially Florida also get $3m+ in capspace which gives them enough to cover Duclair's caphit when he comes back, and in the meantime they can accrue cap and roll a 22 or 23 man roster instead of a 20 man roster.

You may need to juggle cap a bit to make it work from the Avs perspective to cover bonuses, but without Newhook bonuses should be lower anyhow.

That would be giving up on Newhook as 2C early but at least it lands you a 2C on a good contract without giving up Girard.

Further to that here are capfriendly AGM's projecting what a Bennett/Newhook swap would look like the next two years.

Followijg that trade this season the Avs would only have ~230k in capspace but $2.7m in bonuses, so more work would be needed for the AVS cap. Either Florida (or third team) would need to retain on Bennett, or you could trade Compher $3.5m and replace him with a cheaper option like for example Luostarinen ($1.5m) which could be done as part of the Bennett trade.

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In 2023-24 the cap could work out reasonably well. If MacKinnon and Byram aren't too greedy and take $11.5m and a $4m bridge (like Dobson) then you can even keep both of Girard and Toews. Or if more capspace is needed just trade Toews for futures and/or cheap 3rd liners to restock the cupboards.

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[Richard88]

Interesting that people keep harping on Sam Bennett, what about the other 2014 NHL Draft Sam? Reinhart should be a capable center, frankly I think he's a more balanced player than Bennett and carries less risk in the penalty department.

Reinhart is a better player, but his caphit is $2m higher and he's only signed for 2 years Vs 3 years for Bennett. Bennett is also more of a natural center.

 

[Richard88]

I'd absolutely do it, but I don't see why Florida would.

Some of their fans have said that they view this year as a transitional year, what with having no draft picks, a terrible D, Bob's contract, and Yandle's buyout on the books.

They're also in a bind capwise, being ~$400k under the cap with only a 20 man roster, which doesn't include Duclair who would need to be activated at some point. Something needs to give capwise, and this trade gets them the capspace they need.

In Newhook they'd get a younger player who can play 2LW until Duclair returns (and probably beyond that too). Newhook has 5 more years of team control Vs Bennett's 3 years. Lundell can take over 2C.

And of course there's still a chance Newhook can play center (though I see him more as a wing).

 

[redacted]

Some of their fans have said that they view this year as a transitional year, what with having no draft picks, a terrible D, Bob's contract, and Yandle's buyout on the books.

They're also in a bind capwise, being ~$400k under the cap with only a 20 man roster, which doesn't include Duclair who would need to be activated at some point. Something needs tomgove capwise.

In Newhook they'd get a younger player who can play 2LW until Duclair returns (and probably beyond that too). Newhook has 5 more years of team control Vs Bennett's 3 years. Lundell can take over 2C.

And of course there's still a chance Newhook can play center (though I see him more as a wing).

Fans may, but ownership isn't showing signs of it being a transitional year.

Duclair gives them time to figure it out (probably until January, but maybe Fed too), but when the time comes, I'd say odds are pretty slim that they will be 100% healthy. Even if they are, they can move pieces then once they know how things are going.

Newhook just really doesn't add anything they don't already have in their lineup or pool and they already passed on him before...

 

[avalanche_country]

I can’t believe MacK isn’t locked up yet. Thought that would have been a slam dunk to get done before the season. Don’t really want that thing lingering

 

[Richard88]

Fans may, but ownership isn't showing signs of it being a transitional year.

Duclair gives them time to figure it out (probably until January, but maybe Fed too), but when the time comes, I'd say odds are pretty slim that they will be 100% healthy. Even if they are, they can move pieces then once they know how things are going.

Newhook just really doesn't add anything they don't already have in their lineup or pool and they already passed on him before...

Newhook is better than Denisenko if that's who you're referring to. Samoskevich isn't NHL ready. Heponiemi is tiny.

It was a different management group who passed on Newhook. And it was also to take a goalie of the future. Doing that doesn't mean that they wouldn't want Newhook, just that they preferred Knight over him.

 

[lionsDen]

Not that I advocate for it, but what’s Mack value in a trade scenario.

 

[redacted]

Newhook is better than Denisenko if that's who you're referring to. Samoskevich isn't NHL ready. Heponiemi is tiny.

It was a different management group who passed on Newhook. And it was also to take a goalie of the future. Doing that doesn't mean that they wouldn't want Newhook, just that they preferred Knight over him.

I'm really not sure he is better than Denisenko. They are roughly equal talents, Newhook just more proven in the NHL. Denisenko does play a game that drives some crazy. If he clicks, he's got a pure talent level that could be a 1st liner. Heponiemi is tiny, but he's also quite talented. But beyond them... just look at the depth guys they have around.... White, Tierney, Balcers, Lomberg, Cousins etc. They have plenty of bottom of the lineup types that can spot duty up the lineup. They got more talented team developed prospects if they need a higher role tryout.

On the new management group there... you kinda have to look at Zito's background. Not the type to like undersized forwards unless they are supremely skilled.

 

[Richard88]

I'm really not sure he is better than Denisenko. They are roughly equal talents, Newhook just more proven in the NHL. Denisenko does play a game that drives some crazy. If he clicks, he's got a pure talent level that could be a 1st liner. Heponiemi is tiny, but he's also quite talented. But beyond them... just look at the depth guys they have around.... White, Tierney, Balcers, Lomberg, Cousins etc. They have plenty of bottom of the lineup types that can spot duty up the lineup. They got more talented team developed prospects if they need a higher role tryout.

On the new management group there... you kinda have to look at Zito's background. Not the type to like undersized forwards unless they are supremely skilled.

I take it that you wouldn't class Newhook as "supremely skilled", even as a winger?

 

[redacted]

I take it that you wouldn't class Newhook as "supremely skilled", even as a winger?

To me, no. Newhook looks to be as a 25g-30a guy who is solid in his own zone and scores a good amount of his goals on the PP. A good 2nd liner sort that doesn't wow you with skill... just very solid player.

 

[Raucherhusten]

Not that I advocate for it, but what’s Mack value in a trade scenario.

 

[Perratrooper]

Not that I advocate for it, but what’s Mack value in a trade scenario.

Realistically it’s would never happen, but since we’re on HF we can talk about the fantasy of it.


Considering that most teams would likely only trade for him if they could re-sign him, he would receive a f*** ton. Think 1C+ from most teams, however I can’t think of a single team who made a trade like that.

 

[The Moops]

Realistically it’s would never happen, but since we’re on HF we can talk about the fantasy of it.


Considering that most teams would likely only trade for him if they could re-sign him, he would receive a f*** ton. Think 1C+ from most teams, however I can’t think of a single team who made a trade like that.

Eichel?

 

[Avaholic29]

To me, no. Newhook looks to be as a 25g-30a guy who is solid in his own zone and scores a good amount of his goals on the PP. A good 2nd liner sort that doesn't wow you with skill... just very solid player.

There’s Is no telling what Newhooks ceiling is right now, just a pure guess. His goal against Ottawa (danced thomson) was a wow moment in terms of skill, he has the hands for sure. He went from barely playing his last season in college due to injury to being in the pros, I think he will take a step this year.

 

[Balthazar]

For some reason I remember that the Kings board really wanted Byfield and not Stutzle pre-draft.

They got their guy.

We'll see what's happening but not looking like the greatest decision so far.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Not that I advocate for it, but what’s Mack value in a trade scenario.

Certainly not anywhere close to what would be worth it for us.

 

[Perratrooper]

Eichel?

Eichel was already locked up for 5 more years, had a major injury looming and had requested a trade. Not to mention MacK is a proven playoff performer and is consider a top 5 center. Probably as close of a recent comparison as possible, but still not perfect.

 

[Richard88]

For some reason I remember that the Kings board really wanted Byfield and not Stutzle pre-draft.

They got their guy.

We'll see what's happening but not looking like the greatest decision so far.

They should have listened to me... I traded up in the Avs board mock to take Stutzle ahead of Byfield.