John Mandalorian
2022 Avs: The First Dance
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@Chiarelli recently made the strong point that the cap space is more valuable than any individual player out there.
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)
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Garland is a great fit. Great age, RHS, plays a style that fits the Avs, cost controlled at a good number for years, and is able to produce 5 on 5 rather than needing to be fed power play time which he would be unlikely to get in Colorado.
Don’t think he comes cheap though, both Arizona and now Vancouver fans love the way he plays, he’s an underrated player. Vancouver really needs a young RHD as a focal point in any trade and the Avs don’t have one to give, not sure they would take a futures only package.
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MarkT
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Yep, with our current cap space, we don't need to worry about bonus overages, and we can be in on most impact players that might shake loose between now and the trade deadline.
Honestly, with the players left like Milano and Rodriguez, I have to assume there's something beyond just their play on the ice that's leaving them as free agents. There is likely something with their work ethic or personality that is making teams reluctant to sign them. With how strong our team cohesion is and how many genuinely wonderful and hard-working people are on this team, I'd be very careful about the character of anyone we bring into the locker room.
Bender
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That was widely speculated last season, that the dressing room was divided between Horvat and his boys and Miller and his gangland cronies.
Pure speculation on my part but the Canucks signing Miller to that deal could simply be viewed by the Horvat camp as they 'chose him over me'. The good part for Horvat is that if he's not completely thrilled with his situation, he only has to wait 10 months and then he can choose where he wants to sign.
I've been beating the Horvat drum as a perfect fit for #2C for quite a long time. Does he put up 70, 80, 90 points per year? No.... but he doesn't NEED to either on this team.
MacFarland HAS to be on the phone with Allvin to try and pry him out of Vancouver. The Canucks, with their cap situation could do a lot worse than a young player like Newhook in exchange and if the Avs can get Horvat out of Vancouver and signed long-term, then having Newhook on the 3rd line is a waste as he's talented enough to be a Top-6 forward.
It's kind of interesting that just about every single UFA or RFA has signed for less (and sometimes much less) than what was speculated by fans over the past few months :
Gaudreau -> speculated $11M per -> signs for $9.75M
M.Tkachuk -> speculated $10M per -> signs for $9.5M
J.T. Miller -> speculated $9.5M per -> signs for $8M
Kadri -> speculated $8M - $9M per -> signs for $7M
Trotchek -> speculated $7M per -> signs for $5.625M
Malkin -> speculated $7M - $8M -> signs for $6.1M
Letang -> speculated $7M -> signs for $6.1M
even Kuemper which many thought would require over $6M per year since he won the cup, ended up signing for $5.25M per (which was still rightfully too rich for the Avs - so they made the right call there)
So when you look at that list and all of the speculation that was often fueled by the media - which some fans took as gospel (lol) - are we being led to believe that we have the greediest of all the NHL players with MacKinnon and that he's going to sign for $14M+ per season? I mean, I don't even care if it happens and I won't blame Nate one bit if it does but that's not the current trend that's going on in the NHL right now.
I'm still in the $11M per year for 8 years camp. It's going to be an excellent deal for the Avs and Nate will have given the team a good discount.
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Bender
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Meh... If you look at the way that's written, it doesn't really mean anything. Maybe there was progress before Miller was signed and now that he is, Horvat prefers testing UFA next summer. It's not out of the realm of possibility and hardly something he'd actually admit to anyone certainly not the media.
All in all, it's quite possible the Canucks still sign Horvat long-term though you have to wonder what's taking so long to get it done. It's not like his value is hard to determine -> it's between $5.75M and $6.75M per year for 7-8 years. He doesn't have the numbers to justify any more than that.
If the Canucks want to take the path of several top-notch offensive weapons with a strong goalie and a bad defense, that's certainly their choice though we have seen that movie here in Denver from 2013 to 2017.
Remember when Calvin Pickard played 50 games for us in 2016-17?
I don't, I think I removed it from my memory banks.
Should be the target anyways IMO.
But, anybody who's against trading Byram won't have interest in it.
In the cap world this is pretty good depth. That 4th line is exactly what it needs to be in the playoffs, may not produce as much in the regular season. The 3rd line will be the good mix of blender and figuring out what depth player should be around in the playoffs, if any. Plus everyone penciling in Meyers now has to remember he needs to earn that spot. Not sure the org will use him in that role 100% but will give him a shot at it. I do like the potential for that line though in that they can be a little more offensive minded as there's some skill there especially if that's Newhook's spot. For the guys who are more 200 foot hockey types they can fit them in with the 4th line to play grind forecheck and see if they can help drive some play. I don't think the team needs to keep that line together in the regular season, those older guys could use some rest or fill in on the other lines.
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Well something will have to give, they have less than 8 mill of cap space for next year with 14 players, so with Horvat they will be very close to the cap with 15 players
Edit, it looks like they have about 14 mill in cap space
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Bill Peckerskull
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Girard for Horvat, if the Avs can get him resigned at a reasonable cap hit ($6M or less), makes sense for both teams, IMO.
Maybe you can work 2 deals where Nucks send T. Myers + 2nd round pick to Chicago. Avs send JTC + 1st to Chicago + 50% Kane's cap hit. Nucks get Kaut/Bowers + 25% Kane's cap hit ($2.625M). Avs get Pat Kane at 75% retained.
So, basically, Nucks trade Horvat for Girard, 1 for 1. Then send Myers and a 2nd to Chicago for Kaut and a grand total of $3.875M in cap space (they are currently $2.752 over the cap.)
Chicago trades Pat Kane but retains 50% of his cap hit, and gets Myers + JTC + a 2nd and a 1st.
Avs trade Girard for Horvat, 1 for 1. Then trades JTC + Kaut + 1st for Pat Kane at $2.625M, and a grand total of $375K in cap space. That would allow them to plan for cap overages, get the 2C they need, and maybe still have some $ to go sign another DMan at low cap hit.
Landy/Mack/Mikko
Nuke/Horvat/Kane
Lehky/Meyers/Hook
Cogs/Helm/LOC
Blidh
Toews/Makar
Bo/Manson
Hunt/EJ
Dermy
George
Frank
Maybe you can work 2 deals where Nucks send T. Myers + 2nd round pick to Chicago. Avs send JTC + 1st to Chicago + 50% Kane's cap hit. Nucks get Kaut/Bowers + 25% Kane's cap hit ($2.625M). Avs get Pat Kane at 75% retained.
So, basically, Nucks trade Horvat for Girard, 1 for 1. Then send Myers and a 2nd to Chicago for Kaut and a grand total of $3.875M in cap space (they are currently $2.752 over the cap.)
Chicago trades Pat Kane but retains 50% of his cap hit, and gets Myers + JTC + a 2nd and a 1st.
Avs trade Girard for Horvat, 1 for 1. Then trades JTC + Kaut + 1st for Pat Kane at $2.625M, and a grand total of $375K in cap space. That would allow them to plan for cap overages, get the 2C they need, and maybe still have some $ to go sign another DMan at low cap hit.
Landy/Mack/Mikko
Nuke/Horvat/Kane
Lehky/Meyers/Hook
Cogs/Helm/LOC
Blidh
Toews/Makar
Bo/Manson
Hunt/EJ
Dermy
George
Frank
Mighty Makar
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Richard88
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Helm was great at 4C in the playoffs, but he played more wing in the regular season, just as he did in his last few seasons in Detroit. Presumably that was to save his back a bit as bending over for faceoffs a thousand times is a good way to flare up back issues.
With that in mind I wonder if the plan isn't to use Meyers as the 4C to start with and let him work his way up the lineup, which would allow Helm to play more on the wing in the regular season.
That would then put Newhook and Compher as the middle 6 centers.
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen ----- Newhook -- Rantanen
xxxxxxxxx ----- Compher --- O'Connor
Cogliano -------- Meyers ----- Helm
That 3rd line would be a bit of a blender and would essentially mean that there's two 4th lines, but that wouldn't be too dissimilar to last season when the bottom 6 was pretty weak to start the year until they added NAK in waivers and then Lehkonen, Sturm, and Cogliano at the TDL.
Personally I'd give Newhook the 2C spot in preseason first and let him sink or swim. He was drafted to fill that position right now after Kadri, and whilst he hasn't done much yet to deserve that job I'd still give him first dibs and see what happens when he centers high-end wingers.
I'd also anticipate that Maltsev will get a good look at 4C in preseason too. For starters the pro scouts specifically targeted him which indicates that there's enough there for the front office to like him. He didn't do enough offensively last year at the NHL level, but he at least showed an ability to be solid defensively and was good at faceoffs which will probably give him an advantage in camp given that the roster is thin on centers.
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Yeah it would be surprising to see a Rutherford team having multiple small forwards long-term, and Garland would open more capspace than Höglander so he seems like the logical player to move.
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My guess here is EP doesn't want to commit long term to Vancouver.
Thing is, he's already making a shitload of money on a bridge contract, he will undoubtedly want more after this contract and his performance in the last 2 seasons was pretty meh (compared to expectations).
EP as a 2C would be nice but not if he wants 1C money. Also he'd cost Byram.
Thing is, he's already making a shitload of money on a bridge contract, he will undoubtedly want more after this contract and his performance in the last 2 seasons was pretty meh (compared to expectations).
EP as a 2C would be nice but not if he wants 1C money. Also he'd cost Byram.
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Never realized how much of a shit contract the Rags signed Shesterkin to. They have 3 seasons left then they won't be able to afford him as he will be UFA and probably asking for the Price/Bobrovsky contract adjusted for inflation.
They walked him straight to UFA with a 4 year deal out of his ELC! So dumb.
Even though we tend to believe that they are "up and coming", the Rags window is pretty damn short with Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider all pushing 30 and the Shesterkin's contract expiring in 3 years. Yikes.
They walked him straight to UFA with a 4 year deal out of his ELC! So dumb.
Even though we tend to believe that they are "up and coming", the Rags window is pretty damn short with Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider all pushing 30 and the Shesterkin's contract expiring in 3 years. Yikes.
Canucks have enough room to re-sign Horvat. Cap wise, they are actually fine as long as they don’t repeat a Myers mistake.
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