Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[MacKaRtin]

You might be alone on this planet who believes that Rodrigues could be a better 2C than Jonathan Toews. Not even sure that Rodrigues' mom would be with you on that one.

I agree with topless Nuke. Toews is completely washed, he was on the downswing anyways but the chronic illness seems to have really impacted his game. The times I watched him last season he looked a step behind constantly.

I legitimately think that contract year JT Compher is a better option that either Toews or Rodrigues. And I might be the only person on HFAvs that feels this way.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Toews f***ing sucks. He is completely washed.


If they aren't going to get a quality 2C, either try Mikko at 2C or get Rodrigues on a 1 year deal.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I agree with topless Nuke. Toews is completely washed, he was on the downswing anyways but the chronic illness seems to have really impacted his game. The times I watched him last season he looked a step behind constantly.

I legitimately think that contract year JT Compher is a better option that either Toews or Rodrigues. And I might be the only person on HFAvs that feels this way.

You're not the only one who feels that way because it's not a case of Rodriguez, Toews, or no one else. Also, the Avs have more finite trade ammunition this year. Given that the Avs have finite assets to trade, Toews seems like a big hail mary at this point. But let's see how the season plays out. Maybe Toews will have a rebound season?

 

[redacted]

Thompson is a risk… but the only one good year argument is a look in the mirror situation.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Thompson is a risk… but the only one good year argument is a look in the mirror situation.

Yeah. This was a good signing. The Sabres had a good thing going with his line. In 3 years, this contract won't seem like such a big "risk".

 

[Pokecheque]

So if Buffalo signed Tage for that, I'm assuming he and Mittelstadt are their top two centers?

Are either Krebs and Cozens still decent C prospects or have they switched to winger and/or cooled off as. Just wondering if there is anything there worth talking to them about. I'm pretty sure we don't want to discuss Girgensons.

Situation is fluid there, Thompson is a shoot-first center, so he could easily switch to the wing. But it doesn’t have to be that way of course, the Avs just won a Cup with two shoot-first centers (hell, you could argue they won with four).

Interesting gamble on TT. I don’t know if his shooting percentage can be sustained from last season but he looks like a good scoring forward. Big minus on him last season was defense but he was playing in Buffalo after all. All the kudos to Granato for not just looking at his giant frame and assuming he was a power forward/grinder type. Like Jared Bednar, sometimes all a coach needs to do in order to be successful is put a player in a position to succeed and get the hell out of the way. Most of the worst ones Galaxy brain everything.

 

[Avsboy]

A sixth sense tells me Girard for Necas is on the table. We’ve probably already discussed this.

 

[Balthazar]

 

[John Mandalorian]

A sixth sense tells me Girard for Necas is on the table. We’ve probably already discussed this.

You probably just ate too many tacos.

 

[Avaholic29]

Thompson is a risk… but the only one good year argument is a look in the mirror situation.

I think it’s a bit different with Thompson, nuke had a way bigger sample size and Atleast dominated defensively. I think Thompson will live up to the contract but i don’t think it’s similar to nuke situation.

 

[Alienblood]

Just pair him up with Gabe, he's the "slowest" of our top 6.

No he isn't

 

[Avs_19]

Rich dude whose paying a bunch of older washed players a ton sounds upset because Robertson rightfully wants his.

 

[The Abusement Park]

One of the worst takes I've ever heard in my entire life. I'm sure he pays all his oldest employees at his hotels that are servers wayyyy more than his CEO, COO, VP, etc.

 

[Balthazar]

Concerning Tage Thompson...

As a rule of thumb:

Long term contract to player under 26 = team is usually winning
Long term contract to player over 26 = team is usually losing

There are exceptions like Colin White but they are pretty damn rare.

 

[redacted]

I think it’s a bit different with Thompson, nuke had a way bigger sample size and Atleast dominated defensively. I think Thompson will live up to the contract but i don’t think it’s similar to nuke situation.

Both only produced at levels they are being paid at this past season (their offensive production was very similar the year prior too). For the levels they are paid, they need to be 55-60++ point players (Thompson needs to stay at center too if he’s not a 35-35 guy). Like it or not, offense drives salaries. Simply put, neither have proven it beyond a season.

Concerning Tage Thompson...

As a rule of thumb:

Long term contract to player under 26 = team is usually winning
Long term contract to player over 26 = team is usually losing

There are exceptions like Colin White but they are pretty damn rare.

Yeah typically that is right. Whole key is under 26 you typically get 4-5 prime years with a year to 3 meh years at the end. At say 28/29, you typically get 2-3 good years and the fall off starts.

 

[Foppa2118]

This is why owner's shouldn't try to be GM's. What a dumb thing to say.

"The stars are taking all the money...the veterans who don't score a lot are getting squeezed."

In reality though this has nothing to do with his empathy for aging vets that can't score anymore. It's all because he's upset he has to pay the best players in the league what they're worth on their 2nd contracts and he can't leverage them into taking cheap deals because he holds their rights until they're past their prime into their 30's like they used to.

All of that other stuff about caring about older players was BS. He's just trying to find a way to complain about Robertson and Oettinger wanting to get paid on their 2nd contract without sounding selfish and cheap.

"Kid on the third year of his entry level puts up 40 goals (*cough* Robertson *cough*) now he wants to make $7M."

 

[Avaholic29]

Both only produced at levels they are being paid at this past season (their offensive production was very similar the year prior too). For the levels they are paid, they need to be 55-60++ point players (Thompson needs to stay at center too if he’s not a 35-35 guy). Like it or not, offense drives salaries. Simply put, neither have proven it beyond a season.


Yeah typically that is right. Whole key is under 26 you typically get 4-5 prime years with a year to 3 meh years at the end. At say 28/29, you typically get 2-3 good years and the fall off starts.

I mean nuke doubled Thompsons previous career high in what were his worst offensive seasons so I still say they are different lol.

 

[AvsWraith]

I still want to trade for Pool Party and run the all Finn line.

Landy - MacK - Nuke
Lehk - Rants - Pool Party

 

[Avs_19]

Did I really just see Nichushkin being compared to Tage Thompson? What the ****, man. Why?

I was just about to call it a night and now I’m mad and want to fight @henchman24.

Btw, that’s a crazy contract. Stars owner should complain about that one.

 

[Avaholic29]

I’m on the Newhook breakout train.

 

[Hasbro]

I'm most definitely biased but unlike Toews, I think Kadri has a valid argument.

A former ref celebrating his injury on twitter makes you wonder.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Rich dude whose paying a bunch of older washed players a ton sounds upset because Robertson rightfully wants his.

One of the worst takes I've ever heard in my entire life. I'm sure he pays all his oldest employees at his hotels that are servers wayyyy more than his CEO, COO, VP, etc.

I mean...the comparison I'm starting with as his agent is Mikko Rantanen.

Dallas only has $10,335,834 left in cap space and need to sign Robertson and Oettinger. Was looking their situation over 'cause as usual I've been bored and looking for issues teams are having (not having UFA/RFAs signed by now), cap space etc and wondering if there is a way for CMac to capitalize on it.

Unfortunately there is nothing there unless CMac uses a Jedi mind trick on Nill and convinces him to save cap-space by downsizing from Miro to Samwise for a 2024 second.

 

[Richard88]

I mean...the comparison I'm starting with as his agent is Mikko Rantanen.

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Dallas only has $10,335,834 left in cap space and need to sign Robertson and Oettinger. Was looking their situation over 'cause as usual I've been bored and looking for issues teams are having (not having UFA/RFAs signed by now), cap space etc and wondering if there is a way for CMac to capitalize on it.

Unfortunately there is nothing there unless CMac uses a Jedi mind trick on Nill and convinces him to save cap-space by downsizing from Miro to Samwise for a 2024 second.

Dallas' decision to drop $4.5m on Marchment and $3.65m on Suter isn't looking so wise right about now with Oettinger and Robertson needing to get contracts.

 

[Grigowski]

Dallas' decision to drop $4.5m on Marchment and $3.65m on Suter isn't looking so wise right about now with Oettinger and Robertson needing to get contracts.

Marchment isn´t the problem here..... That Suter-Signing and contract, YIKES.....

 

[Richard88]

Marchment isn´t the problem here..... That Suter-Signing and contract, YIKES.....

It's not a problem in a vacuum, but in the overall picture it's questionable. Signing an UFA at $4.5m to leave yourself with only ~$10m in cap when you know you have two huge RFA deals to sign with two of your best players isn't really that wise.