Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[John Mandalorian]

Daly said after 23-24… not next summer.

Bill Daly believes NHL salary cap could rise significantly after 2023-24 season – Sportsnet.ca

'24 vs '25 isn't insignificant.

And whenever he is right about something (it happens) people turn the other way and pretend he never said anything.

But how rarely does this happen? Is it so rare, that it's hardly worth making the point?

 

[Foppa2118]

'24 vs '25 isn't insignificant.

Especially when they may be looking to re-sign Toews after 2023-24.

 

[Iceberg]

But how rarely does this happen? Is it so rare, that it's hardly worth making the point?

Sure.

 

[Balthazar]

So roll with Compher as 1C while jettisoning a top 5 player in the world who backpacked your franchise for 5 years... seems like a bold strategy.

You've got to pay the guy, we really have no choice or we'll be laughably bad and Makar will for sure walk to Calgary at the end of his deal because he won't want to play in this shit hole.

If you're not going to pay 29, you might as well fold the franchise and start over somewhere else.

You need to do what's best for the team going forward. If it's paying Mack you do it, if not you don't do it. Keep in mind that cap space is the most valuable asset in the league right now.

One thing that you avoid at all cost is paying Mack whatever he wants "because he was underpaid" or "because he won a cup".

 

[The Abusement Park]

Dater thinks Nate will get $14.5M.

If he’s going to UFA and not signing with the Avs there’s an outside chance that’s possible. But that’s a hilarious take.

All of this hysteria the last few weeks over Nate's next contract, trading Mikko, the window shutting, etc, because of one Adrian Dater rumor about Nate seeking to be the highest paid player in the NHL.

Everyone talks about Dater like he's a hack until he says something that gives people an opportunity to act like the sky is falling. Then all of a sudden he's Elliotte Friedman.

I mean clearly there’s some credence to this. If he was taking a team friendly deal it’d be signed by now.

 

[Ararana]

Peter Baugh just posted a prediction article that had JT Compher starting the year at 2C and I threw up all over my desk.

It was fun being competitive.

 

[CharlesPuck]

You need to do what's best for the team going forward. If it's paying Mack you do it, if not you don't do it. Keep in mind that cap space is the most valuable asset in the league right now.

One thing that you avoid at all cost is paying Mack whatever he wants "because he was underpaid" or "because he won a cup".

You also don’t let a top NHL center just walk. I sure as hell don’t want to watch Nate on another team lighting us up.

 

[Foppa2118]

You think Friedman pulls his info from Dater? lol. He's far more likely to be talking to Brisson.

You haven't been paying attention.

He gets some things from agents about the Avs (though it's not always accurate like the Avs going after MAF and Hall), but he's also said he can't get much of anything out of Colorado, and cited Daters rumors many times.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Look at that sweet deadline cap space.

Another reason not to spend it now is we don't know what will happen yet. What if Georgiev sucks or he has a season ending injury? We'd need a goalie at the deadline...

Also the money that isn't spent can be used for performance bonuses.

How is that cap space jumps up that much at the deadline?

 

[Foppa2118]

I mean clearly there’s some credence to this. If he was taking a team friendly deal it’d be signed by now.

There's like a $2M range of what constitutes a team friendly deal with MacKinnon though.

And Sakic almost never gets these big deals done early. He almost let Mikko hold out when he signed him during training camp, and was a day away from letting his captain go to UFA.

 

[Ararana]

You haven't been paying attention.

He gets some things from agents about the Avs (though it's not always accurate like the Avs going after MAF and Hall), but he's also said he can't get much of anything out of Colorado, and cited Daters rumors many times.

Him quoting dater a few times three years ago doesn't mean shit dude. Friedman is one of the most connected insiders in the sport, sorry you don't like where the MacKinnon contract is headed.

 

[Foppa2118]

Him quoting dater a few times three years ago doesn't mean shit dude. Friedman is one of the most connected insiders in the sport, sorry you don't like where the MacKinnon contract is headed.

Like I said, you haven't been paying attention. He's deferred to and complimented Dater a lot more than those tweets, I'm just not going to spend all day digging up old HNIC clips and 32 Thoughts just because you don't believe me.

Sorry it bothers you so much that I'm not freaking out like you are about Dater saying MacKinnon will make $14.5M. By all means carry on.

 

[LOFIN]

I sure as f*** hope that the management isn't thinking like this after 1 cup and a young core including 23 yo Cale Makar signed for 5 more years.

If they did, the deal would be done at this point

 

[The Abusement Park]

There's like a $2M range of what constitutes a team friendly deal with MacKinnon though.

And Sakic almost never gets these big deals done early. He almost let Mikko hold out when he signed him during training camp, and was a day away from letting his captain go to UFA.

But I wouldn’t really consider either of those team friendly deals. If Mack was willing to sign for like 10-11 than it’d be done by now.

 

[UnkleKraker]

Feels like time for this again.​

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[The Abusement Park]

You need to do what's best for the team going forward. If it's paying Mack you do it, if not you don't do it. Keep in mind that cap space is the most valuable asset in the league right now.

One thing that you avoid at all cost is paying Mack whatever he wants "because he was underpaid" or "because he won a cup".

One thing we most certainly should avoid is losing a top 3 C all together.

 

[Foppa2118]

But I wouldn’t really consider either of those team friendly deals. If Mack was willing to sign for like 10-11 than it’d be done by now.

I don't know. Would you consider $12.5M or something team friendly? I would. He could definitely get more on the open market.

Some might even consider $13M or $13.5M team friendly for the same reasons, if there's a big cap increase in a couple years. That's what I mean about there not being much consensus on what constitutes a team friendly deal for him.

The $10-11M ship seems like it's sailed away at this point though, I agree.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Lol if the Avs are starting 9M, Nate might as well walk as that is completely insulting.

The Avs probably starting around 11 or so. Nate probably is starting at 13.5 (f*** Dater 14.5 my ass, 2M higher than anyone doubtful). They probably come to an agreement at 12.75-13M.

If you tracked the Landy negotiations you'd know this isn't true as they started those with the most recent example of RNH and started in the 5s for negotiations and Landy's camp started leaking info like Landy felt insulted and underappreciated which was probably all driven by the agent. I fully expect that the front office will start at the most recent examples of the Gaudreau contract and the Barkov contract as their starting point so they most likely would and should start in the 9s and who gives a shit if MacKs "camp" feels insulted, it's negotiations and you don't start in the middle unless you want to get rolled which is what starting at $11M is.

 

[SoulDynasty]

You need to do what's best for the team going forward. If it's paying Mack you do it, if not you don't do it. Keep in mind that cap space is the most valuable asset in the league right now.

One thing that you avoid at all cost is paying Mack whatever he wants "because he was underpaid" or "because he won a cup".

I think the most valuable asset in the league right now are superstar players. Otherwise, Ottawa and Seattle would have been battling for the cup.

 

[The Abusement Park]

This board confuses me man. The Nuke deal is universally loved even though he got paid almost much as Landy based off one good season. But paying Mack what we all expected is causing mass hysteria?

I don't know. Would you consider $12.5M or something team friendly? I would. He could definitely get more on the open market.

Some might even consider $13M or $13.5M team friendly for the same reasons, if there's a big cap increase in a couple years. That's what I mean about there not being much consensus on what constitutes a team friendly deal for him.

The $10-11M ship seems like it's sailed away at this point though, I agree.

I’d say 12.5 would be roughly market. Maybe a touch below.

 

[Alienblood]

If only we heard the exact same thing from... idk... Elliotte Friedman himself.... then we could truly take it seriously.

Nate is getting 14

So roll with Compher as 1C while jettisoning a top 5 player in the world who backpacked your franchise for 5 years... seems like a bold strategy.

You've got to pay the guy, we really have no choice or we'll be laughably bad and Makar will for sure walk to Calgary at the end of his deal because he won't want to play in this shit hole.

If you're not going to pay 29, you might as well fold the franchise and start over somewhere else.

Ya I hope Nate gets big money , he deserves it.

 

[redacted]

'24 vs '25 isn't insignificant.


But how rarely does this happen? Is it so rare, that it's hardly worth making the point?

Certainly not insignificant, but that will mean, at best, it hits MacK's 2nd year of his contract. Still have that first year crunch. If that happens, it will likely impact keeping Toews more than MacK.

That said, Daly is still saying more likely than not. Which is simply to say that 24 isn't guaranteed for the raise in cap, but it looks more likely than 25. If you go back and look pre-pandemic, the NHL and Daly have been a bit on the high side of these estimates of the cap and it usually ends up lower. Still 2024 would be a nice shot in the arm...

Now. saying all of that, the economy over the next 2 seasons will have a large impact. Pretty clear that economic activity has slowed and being a gate revenue league, any slowing there is likely to have an impact. Now how much it has slowed and for how long it will last are two questions that we simply don't know.

This board confuses me man. The Nuke deal is universally loved even though he got paid almost much as Landy based off one good season. But paying Mack what we all expected is causing mass hysteria?


I’d say 12.5 would be roughly market. Maybe a touch below.

Nuke's contract is pretty rich IMO.

 

[Foppa2118]

I’d say 12.5 would be roughly market. Maybe a touch below.

I more or less agree. If that happened to be the number they settle on, I wouldn't be surprised if it took them a little longer to get there.

I would only expect the super team friendly deals in the $10M range to get done quickly if Nate was willing to do that. Everything else I expect to drag out with the Avs, because traditionally that's how they negotiate.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Nuke's contract is pretty rich IMO.

I agree. I’d rather have him than not have him, but he got a blessing of a contract imo.

 

[Balthazar]

I think the most valuable asset in the league right now are superstar players. Otherwise, Ottawa and Seattle would have been battling for the cup.

There's a reason STL have a cup and the Oilers/Leafs don't. Depth wins cups. Hockey isn't basketball.

It is of course much easier to win if you add superstars to your depth.