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Avsboy said:
No need for an all in year. Most of the top forwards and defense are there the next 3-4 years at least. The bottom two lines will be rougher but they are not as important as the defense and top two lines over the next several years.
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I disagree.

The last two seasons(MacK deal, Kadri deal, Makar deal, secondary scoring, etc.) were our best chances at winning the Stanley Cup.

We went 1 for 2.

Next season is the third best chance of winning a Cup when talking about this window or group of players/contracts, with this being the last year of the MacK deal.

You go all-in because the following years will see weaker teams with lower chances of winning the Cup.

I don't give a shit about any pick or prospect that won't help us win the 2022-23 Stanley Cup.
 
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RoyIsALegend said:
I disagree.

The last two seasons(MacK deal, Kadri deal, Makar deal, secondary scoring, etc.) were our best chances at winning the Stanley Cup.

We went 1 for 2.

Next season is the third best chance of winning a Cup when talking about this window or group of players/contracts, with this being the last year of the MacK deal.

You go all-in because the following years will see weaker teams with lower chances of winning the Cup.

I don't give a shit about any pick or prospect that won't help us win the 2022-23 Stanley Cup.
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The way I see it, a top 6 of Mack (assuming re-signed), Nuke, Landy, Rantanen, Lehkonen, and Stop gap/Newhook - with the D as it will be for many years to come - is good enough for many runs at the Cup. Until Makar needs to be reupped. I don’t even think trading for a Miller type makes sense since there won’t be enough cash in a year to re-sign him.
 
Avsboy said:
The way I see it, a top 6 of Mack (assuming re-signed), Nuke, Landy, Rantanen, Lehkonen, and Stop gap/Newhook - with the D as it will be for many years to come - is good enough for many runs at the Cup. Until Makar needs to be reupped. I don’t even think trading for a Miller type makes sense since there won’t be enough cash in a year to re-sign him.
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But that's just it... The Defense will not remain "as it is" for longer than 1 year.

Next summer, at bare minimum we will lose Girard, and quite possibly Toews.


We are going to need $15M in additional cap space next summer to sign Mack and our RFAs, and we only have $7.5M(EJ + JTC) coming off the books.


So yes, we absolutely should be all in again this year.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
But that's just it... The Defense will not remain "as it is" for longer than 1 year.

Next summer, at bare minimum we will lose Girard, and quite possibly Toews.


We are going to need $15M in additional cap space next summer to sign Mack and our RFAs, and we only have $7.5M(EJ + JTC) coming off the books.


So yes, we absolutely should be all in again this year.
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EJ+JTC is 9.5 million. No need to trade G there are ways to increase the space.
 
Vaslof said:
We have a better team at the start of this year than we did at the start of last year. I think we'll be okay.
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Man idk. Having Manson/Lehkonon/Cogliano from the very start is going to be great for the depth, but no true 2C is a big big hole that they still have no answer for.

IMO they're not as strong out of the gate, as constructed right now, as they were last year. I really hope the plan isn't to play Mikko at 2C. That dude is not a center.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
But that's just it... The Defense will not remain "as it is" for longer than 1 year.

Next summer, at bare minimum we will lose Girard, and quite possibly Toews.


We are going to need $15M in additional cap space next summer to sign Mack and our RFAs, and we only have $7.5M(EJ + JTC) coming off the books.


So yes, we absolutely should be all in again this year.
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Pierce, don't EJ+JTC equate to $9.5M coming off the books?

Or are you adding back in $1M for each of the roster spots that need to be filled?
 
ABasin said:
Pierce, don't EJ+JTC equate to $9.5M coming off the books?

Or are you adding back in $1M for each of the roster spots that need to be filled?
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Thats probably what he’s doing. But Newhook will be 2C that year and there’s either some dead cap this season or a 2C add that will be gone in a year.
 
Bone Breaker said:
cmon Sak... MacFarland, dont let me down, bud! I've seen so many players I like getting signed by the Avs through the years, do me a favor and spend the remaining cap on Big Phil. you dont want to get a 2C, fine, get him then.
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Whether it'd be a good or bad thing for the club, I've always wanted Phil here. It'd be so entertaining.
 
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I don't think the Avs aren't "all in" because they haven't yet made a move to address the loss of Kadri. The re-signings of Lehkonen, Nichushkin, and Manson say otherwise.

I'll give Joe/Chris the benefit of the doubt. If the most viable and practical solution was not out there, then it wasn't out there. We'll see what happens between today and the deadline.
 
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Vaslof said:
We have a better team at the start of this year than we did at the start of last year. I think we'll be okay.
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That is highly debatable, Start of last year versus this year we have:

In:

Josh Manson
Arturri Lehkonen
Andrew Cogliano
Alex Georgiev


Out:

Nazem Kadri
Andre Burakovsky
Darcy Kuemper
Tyson Jost
Jack Johnson

Johnson to Manson is an upgrade. Jost to Cogliano is maybe a very slight upgrade(Overall they have very similar on ice impact, just in different areas). Kuemper to Georgiev is almost certainly a downgrade, possibly a significant one. Burakovsky to Lehkonen is probably a wash, what Lehky lacks in offense compared to Bura he makes up in two-way play, I will say this is an area where it could prove to be an upgrade overall if Lehky continues his 30 goal scoring pace he had with us last year.

But the biggest loss by far is Kadri, and we literally dont have a replacement for him right now. That's 3 Wins lost by not having him in the lineup and replaced by nobody. Even if we sign Stastny to replace him, this team is still worse then it was last season, when the season started.

Now the one thing I will say that this team has over last years IMO. It has less holes to start the year. Last year when the season started it felt like we were missing a Top 6 forward, 2nd or 3rd line Center, Top 4 RHD. We had a lot of unknowns last year regarding Nichushkin as a full time Top 6 forward, Kadri and how he would play(And whether he would be more of a 2C or a 3C for us) and we flat out didn't have a second Top 4 RHD. What made all that worse, was we had very little cap space to even start last year, and we had no 1st round pick thanks to the Kuemper trade.

This year, I think our lineup is worse then last year because we have no 2C at all... But overall I think we have less holes. We've got our Top 4 RHD in Manson, we know with JTC as a 3C he's solid enough to win a cup with(Plus Meyers will certainly get a look), we know Nuke and Lehky work just fine as Top 6 forwards. IMO we really only have 1 hole at the moment and while its a huge one, its also one you can work on all year and should be able to solve at the deadline using the 2023 1st as the base.
 
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ABasin said:
Pierce, don't EJ+JTC equate to $9.5M coming off the books?

Or are you adding back in $1M for each of the roster spots that need to be filled?
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Yeah that's what I'm doing.

I made it easy by just calling it $1M replacement players. In reality it could be slightly lower. But keep in mind especially with JTC he's playing a pretty important role for this team as a guy who can double down as a 3C or 3W. Replacing him with a $1M player would be extremely difficult and likely result in a substantial drop in replacement quality.


Honestly I see Meyers as the JTC replacement if everything goes well with him this year, but in that scenario Meyers is going to cost at least $2M on a 2 year bridge type deal.

benchman24 said:
I cannot wait to throw this in your face in 5 years time as you seem so apt to want to do to others.
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:laugh: Bookmark it! I cant wait to throw it in your face!
 
Could they please get the MacK deal done so we know where we stand with the cap going forward?

I really did not think it would take this long. MacK must be going for the jugular.
 
$4M for Dobson on his bridge deal is interesting, that's a pretty good comparable for Byram next summer I think.

Might be able to get him for $1M less on that bridge deal instead of giving him the McAvoy/Werenski bridge.
 
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