Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

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Dahlen is a project like Nichushkin 3 years ago. Dahlen has a lot more talent than Milano. He needs a little time and a good entourage to allow him to reach his potential

Milano is a very talented player and he’s a few steps above Dahlen. Dahlen also looks like he skating in quicksand.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

As perspective... Crosby was 29, Malkin 30 and Letang just turned 31 when they won their second in a row. Ovi was 32, Kutnetsov was 26, Backstrom 30, Carlson was 28. Tampa guys last year... Kuch 28, Point 26, Hedman 30, Stamkos 31.

Teams don't win very often when their cores get into their 30s. You can point to some, yeah. But once the majority of the core ticks over and gets to 32-33... it's over.

I see you're still focusing on the fact that at some point in time, the Avs will no longer be a Cup contender ...
Ever the one to focus on the positive things surrounding the Avs !
I guess the good angle here is that two years ago you were saying the window was closing fast, whereas now you are highlighting the fact that the window will likely be closed in 5-6 years...
I like your new positivism regarding the mid/long outlook of this team!

 

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I see you're still focusing on the fact that at some point in time, the Avs will no longer be a Cup contender ...
Ever the one to focus on the positive things surrounding the Avs !
I guess the good angle here is that two years ago you were saying the window was closing fast, whereas now you are highlighting the fact that the window will likely be closed in 5-6 years...
I like your new positivism regarding the mid/long outlook of this team!

If you haven't been paying attention, I've been stating after next season too and after Rants' extension.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

If you haven't been paying attention, I've been stating after next season too and after Rants' extension.

I know. Its like a goalpost on skate!

 

[redacted]

I know. Its like a goalpost on skate!

Nah... it's been MacK's contract forever and about difficulty continuing.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

So this is our last year and the window closes next year with Mack's contract ?

 

[5280]

Imo our team makeup is a little different than a team that will become a pretender in two years. It might have been a good argument a couple of years ago before Cale and Bo showed up, but now I don’t think so. Tougher but definitely possible.

 

[redacted]

So this is our last year and the window closes next year with Mack's contract ?

I've stated quite a bit that things get progressively more difficult as the cap situation gets more dire, the window can snap shut at different times. Next season is likely a time where depth gets hit majorly, but possible to limp through for a bit longer. Eventually a re-tool has to happen.

For two seasons in a row, the Avs have lost at least a 2nd liner and a starting goalie. This year, decent chance we go into the season with a significant hole at 2C. Next offseason, with Byram, MacK, and Newhook getting ~12-14m in raises... it gets a lot more difficult. Toews is up the following season. Then Rants. So on and so on as we get through the years. Eventually though, the core ages to a point where competing just isn't common. Not impossible, just uncommon. When MacK is 32, the Avs are very unlikely to be a contending team. When he's 34, we certainly aren't... at least without a rebuild where a new core is built.

This isn't to say the Avs will be terrible and a bottom 5 in the next few years... it is more likely that they fade from the top team to an average playoff team and eventually to a fringe playoff team. Teams tend to hold on to playoff status for a while, but they are not really contenders (see Pittsburgh/Washington now... soon to be Tampa).

 

[The Pwnerer]

Since we're almost in peak offseason mode and on the topic. I'm curious how many cup wins would you need to be completely satisfied with this core? Is one enough? When it's all said and done, would the one cup win be enough to say this core fulfilled their potential?

 

[5280]

Since we're almost in peak offseason mode and on the topic. I'm curious how many cup wins would you need to be completely satisfied with this core? Is one enough? When it's all said and done, would the one cup win be enough to say this core fulfilled their potential?

Take the cup and run. Baptize babies!

 

[The Abusement Park]

Since we're almost in peak offseason mode and on the topic. I'm curious how many cup wins would you need to be completely satisfied with this core? Is one enough? When it's all said and done, would the one cup win be enough to say this core fulfilled their potential?

One is more than enough for me.

 

[redacted]

Since we're almost in peak offseason mode and on the topic. I'm curious how many cup wins would you need to be completely satisfied with this core? Is one enough? When it's all said and done, would the one cup win be enough to say this core fulfilled their potential?

One is absolutely enough... it is incredibly hard to win a Cup and that job is done. That said, Avs should do everything they can to keep it going while they can as re-tools/re-builds are very tough and have no certainty of success.

The job that Sakic did this past season to ensure this team got pieces was essential to the Cup win. Kuemper obviously sucked, but Sakic had to grab him last summer and he did well enough obviously. Then from there the willingness to trade futures to shore up (most of) the holes on the team was essential to the Cup. Within a year Avs lost Barron, Timmins, Helleson, a 1st, 2-2nds, and 3rd... but those were spent making this past year's team better and it worked. They capitalized on the last year of Kadri's deal and in the MacK contract. It'll hurt 3 years from now, but who cares when you win a Cup?

 

[RockLobster]

Since we're almost in peak offseason mode and on the topic. I'm curious how many cup wins would you need to be completely satisfied with this core? Is one enough? When it's all said and done, would the one cup win be enough to say this core fulfilled their potential?

One is always enough just because of how hard it is to win it in general. 1 Cup has made this entire thing worth it. Would we like more? Obviously. But the core as we know it has solidified their legacy in the franchise history, and I believe that they’ve now all got a good-to-great resume for HoF status if they keep their play up (looking more at Gabe & Nate on this as I think Makar had solid case after winning the Norris so soon in his career).

 

[milehigh11]

2... Im still shocked the Joe Sakic core never won more than 2. They seemed to always underachieve in the playoffs.

 

[Chiarelli]

Satisfied with one cup win but this core definitely has a few very solid shots at another.

 

[CalderKing21]

Just think of what you’ll miss! Thursday I post a cinnamon bun recipe!

I’ll pass

2... Im still shocked the Joe Sakic core never won more than 2. They seemed to always underachieve in the playoffs.

I wouldn’t say they really underachieved. A lot of those rosters were not built for the playoffs.
PL didn’t always do a good job of keeping the roster stocked in key areas which is why we were always chasing blockbuster trades.

 

[hughdreamz]

2... Im still shocked the Joe Sakic core never won more than 2. They seemed to always underachieve in the playoffs.

That’s just how tough it is to win a Cup

 

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IMO Pierre’s biggest issue with keeping the depth stocked up was his hatred of tough negotiations. If it wasn’t Sakic or Foppa, and the player wanted paid, PL would send them packing in short order. This was likely a total budget thing, especially pre-Stan… but it hurt to lose good players for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Ncit3]

Milano is a very talented player and he’s a few steps above Dahlen. Dahlen also looks like he skating in quicksand.

I'd love to see him on our squad. We could call him Cookies.

 

[PAZ]

I’m starting to think that the chance Newhook is brought back next year is slim to none. If he explodes, we won’t be able to afford him. If he has another 30-40 pt season, it’ll probably be cheaper to replace him via UFA due to the cap barely moving again. I imagine next off-season will be similar to this one, and I’m not certain Newhook will be worth the 2.5 mil+ if the Avs are making the most of this window.

 

[Metallo]

I always felt that 2 Cups for the Glory Days was just ok and I feel 1 Cup for this core would be just ok. We gotta be hungry for more.

 

[Hasbro]

Or just know who Arik Parnass is...

The man who will get credit for the Sun rising in the East with the Avalanche.

 

[jaisen73]

The pre-cap era Avs definitely should have made the Cup finals more times than they did. The multiple Western Conference finals Game 7s just hurt. By the time the last one rolled around (2002) the collective fatigue caught up with them. Along the way I definitely feel like Pierre Lacroix had a serious hate for anyone that held out in negotiations. Sending Chris Drury out for Derek Morris was one of the bigger blunders, even though the blueline was legit thin going into that season. It was something that could have been addressed in free agency, though, especially with no salary cap. Pride before the fall.

In total I think the 1996-2002 Avs should have had at least one more Finals appearance and one more Cup.

 

[Hasbro]

I’m starting to think that the chance Newhook is brought back next year is slim to none. If he explodes, we won’t be able to afford him. If he has another 30-40 pt season, it’ll probably be cheaper to replace him via UFA due to the cap barely moving again. I imagine next off-season will be similar to this one, and I’m not certain Newhook will be worth the 2.5 mil+ if the Avs are making the most of this window.

I figured that out when he picked #18.

 

[redacted]

The pre-cap era Avs definitely should have made the Cup finals more times than they did. The multiple Western Conference finals Game 7s just hurt. By the time the last one rolled around (2002) the collective fatigue caught up with them. Along the way I definitely feel like Pierre Lacroix had a serious hate for anyone that held out in negotiations. Sending Chris Drury out for Derek Morris was one of the bigger blunders, even though the blueline was legit thin going into that season. It was something that could have been addressed in free agency, though, especially with no salary cap. Pride before the fall.

In total I think the 1996-2002 Avs should have had at least one more Finals appearance and one more Cup.

Ozolinsh and a 2nd for Pratt, 1st , and 2 2nds was even worse.