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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

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So how can we grossly manipulate LTIR to retain all of our guys?

Joey Sakic needs to use the ole wrist shot and bust some kneecaps around this locker room - right now.
 
AllAboutAvs said:
Zhu could also be ready for the 23-24 season to take the 3LD if Behrens needs more time.
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I mean, hopefully yes. Though personally I think our prospect pool is just shy of utter garbage at this point and will ultimately be this teams undoing.

I dont think any of our prospects are particularly close to being able to have an impact in the NHL and honestly outside of Foudy and OO I dont think any of them ever will(Including Behrens, not high on him). Even OO I have far less confidence in his ability after his D+1 year then I did before, he was largely disappointing this past season and really need to have a strong D+2 to bounce back.

Foudy is the only guy this year I feel took real positive strides towards being an NHL capable player in the next year or two. And he's no guarantee either but I think his skating will make him a good fit on our 4th line soon.


I'd hope to be wrong and it would be great to see ~3-5 guys graduate to the NHL over the next 2 years that would go a long way towards pushing the window past the Mack contract... But I dont see it happening personally.
 
Would be willing to take a chance on Tarasenko if the Avs strike out on Kadri and/or Nuke if the asking price was not much more than a C tier prospect and a late pick.

Unless the Avs actually manage to bring back basically everyone -- Kadri, Nuke, Darcy, and/or maybe Manson -- cap space for this season won't be a concern. They actually can take on the full contract without much hesitation if the asking price is right - even if they keep a few guys.

1 year contract so money is off the books when the Avs really need it, won't cost a boatload in futures, goal scorer.

Again, only in kinda the worst case where the Avs just can't get deals done with their talent. He fits and they can take on the full salary - meaning the trade cost should not be huge.

That said, doubt the Blues trade within the Division unless there are not any other takers.
 
Drury_Sakic said:
Would be willing to take a chance on Tarasenko if the Avs strike out on Kadri and/or Nuke if the asking price was not much more than a C tier prospect and a late pick.

Unless the Avs actually manage to bring back basically everyone -- Kadri, Nuke, Darcy, and/or maybe Manson -- cap space for this season won't be a concern. They actually can take on the full contract without much hesitation if the asking price is right.

1 year contract so money is off the books when the Avs really need it, won't cost a boatload in futures, goal scorer.

Again, only in kinda the worst case where the Avs just can't get deals done with their talent. He fits and they can take on the full salary - meaning the trade cost should not be huge.

That said, doubt the Blues trade within the Division unless there are not any other takers.
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I imagine any Tank trade is based around a dman not futures.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
I mean, hopefully yes. Though personally I think our prospect pool is just shy of utter garbage at this point and will ultimately be this teams undoing.

I dont think any of our prospects are particularly close to being able to have an impact in the NHL and honestly outside of Foudy and OO I dont think any of them ever will(Including Behrens, not high on him). Even OO I have far less confidence in his ability after his D+1 year then I did before, he was largely disappointing this past season and really need to have a strong D+2 to bounce back.

Foudy is the only guy this year I feel took real positive strides towards being an NHL capable player in the next year or two. And he's no guarantee either but I think his skating will make him a good fit on our 4th line soon.


I'd hope to be wrong and it would be great to see ~3-5 guys graduate to the NHL over the next 2 years that would go a long way towards pushing the window past the Mack contract... But I dont see it happening personally.
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I think zhu as potential for 3LD but probably not on the Avs because that should be Behrens spot starting with the 23-24 season. I'm obviously a lot higher on him than you are. Foudy needs to adjust his game to become a bottom-6 player and hopefully PK as well if he wants to make it.
 
The Abusement Park said:
I imagine any Tank trade is based around a dman not futures.
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Maybe, but if you believe the rumors, St. Louis is in on a few different UFA D men or targeting D on teams also without cap space. Logically, they might just be looking for cap space to sign/trade for said speculated guys.
 
Drury_Sakic said:
Would be willing to take a chance on Tarasenko if the Avs strike out on Kadri and/or Nuke if the asking price was not much more than a C tier prospect and a late pick.

Unless the Avs actually manage to bring back basically everyone -- Kadri, Nuke, Darcy, and/or maybe Manson -- cap space for this season won't be a concern. They actually can take on the full contract without much hesitation if the asking price is right - even if they keep a few guys.

1 year contract so money is off the books when the Avs really need it, won't cost a boatload in futures, goal scorer.

Again, only in kinda the worst case where the Avs just can't get deals done with their talent. He fits and they can take on the full salary - meaning the trade cost should not be huge.

That said, doubt the Blues trade within the Division unless there are not any other takers.
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I doubt they are giving him up for Kaut and a 5th. Now that he's proven to be mostly healthy, they should get a good return.

Also, LOL Seattle.
 
The Kingslayer said:
Hes also a whining bitch
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At least he can write properly, these days almost all the things I read that were written by rando people on the internet are full of basic grammatical errors, bad spelling and poor/awkward syntax. It's like they don't know how, properly...
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Yeah, and tbh just look at Tampa this year.


They finished the season with 11 guys on the roster making $1.5M or less. They also have a bunch of guys on ELCs they were able to use for half the year and then trade at the deadline for upgrades. Toronto as well finished with 11 guys making under $1.5M I believe.

Katchouk and Raddysh went to Chicago in the Hagel trade, Joseph went to Ottawa in the Paul trade I believe.

But now that we are cup winners, its a lot easier to find the Helm/Cogliano/Perry/Maroon/Spezza/Giordano/etc. sort of veteran guys for real cheap. But the biggest key is going to be our youth. If Behrens can step in for the 2023/24 season as a bottom pairing LD at 900k, Olausson could step in as a 3rd line winger at 900k, Foudy can step in as the 4C at 900k.... etc. etc. That's the type of cheap depth that allows you to push the limits of a top heavy roster.

And of course the Avs could always become players of the LTIR game like Tampa and Vegas are doing.
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Of course, we beat Tampa in part due to our greater depth and Toronto hasn't been out of the first round since dinosaurs walked the earth and a lot of Leaf fans point to the inordinate amount of AAV that their big 4 forwards take up as a reason for their repeated failures.

I think we won due in large part to gaining extra cash based on our top 2 centers being underpaid for their production by about $7-8 million.

Adding Filip Forsberg, owner of exactly one 40-goal season, with an insane caphit and an insane term is the exact wrong direction for our team to take in my opinion.

Bill Peckerskull said:
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Strickland is making sh*t up again. What an awful journalist.
 
Bill Peckerskull said:
Imagine having to trade Pukechuk in order to keep Johnny Floppy
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Just like Minny, another example of mismanagement. They shouldn't have to lose one key player just to keep another.

They're spending too much on middling players. Giving James Neal that big deal at 31 years old leading them to the Lucic trade who they're paying $5.25M. Backlund making $5.35M and only putting up 39 points in 82 games when scoring was way up last year. Blake Coleman making $4.9M while putting up 33 points in 81 games. Monahan's career falling off making $6.375M. Paying Tanev $4.5M until he's 34.

If they didn't trade for another middling player in Toffoli they might be able to keep their better players. And they should have had Monahan get his hip surgery later in the off season and then LTIR'd him all year. Then they wouldn't have to entertain trading Tkachuk or losing Gaudreau.
 
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MacKaRant said:
Of course, we beat Tampa in part due to our greater depth and Toronto hasn't been out of the first round since dinosaurs walked the earth and a lot of Leaf fans point to the inordinate amount of AAV that their big 4 forwards take up as a reason for their repeated failures.

I think we won due in large part to gaining extra cash based on our top 2 centers being underpaid for their production by about $7-8 million.

Adding Filip Forsberg, owner of exactly one 40-goal season, with an insane caphit and an insane term is the exact wrong direction for our team to take in my opinion.


Strickland is making sh*t up again. What an awful journalist.
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I know the Toronto joke is an easy one to play... But they are pretty clearly a Top 5 team in the league. Any other first round opponent but Tampa, and they would have had a deep run this year. Tampa Bay was a couple OT games away from winning 3 straight cups. Very little separated us from them ultimately.


Forsberg might have one 40 goal season, that's still more then every player on the Avs roster not named Nathan Mackinnon, who also has just one 40 goal season. That seems like a really weird thing to point out as a reason to not sign a top line forward, but that's just my opinion.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
I know the Toronto joke is an easy one to play... But they are pretty clearly a Top 5 team in the league. Any other first round opponent but Tampa, and they would have had a deep run this year. Tampa Bay was a couple OT games away from winning 3 straight cups. Very little separated us from them ultimately.


Forsberg might have one 40 goal season, that's still more then every player on the Avs roster not named Nathan Mackinnon, who also has just one 40 goal season. That seems like a really weird thing to point out as a reason to not sign a top line forward, but that's just my opinion.
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For Tampa Bay's two Cups, they had considerable depth, think Gourde, Coleman, Goodrow, Tyler Johnson, etc. The narrative this past year was whether they could effectively replace it. Well, in the Finals against us, they basically had only one line that looked at all dangerous (and, yeah, missing Point was a big part of that).

My objection to Filip Forsberg has everything to do with the salary cap structure. I think any team can only have 3-4 players in that top tier of earners before the balance of the bottom 9 and depth defenseman is ruined (unless the team is stocked with great ELC players, which we don't have).

And the more of those top tier earners that are in the conservation for NHL 1st team or 2nd team all-star, the better as that means you have high end performers for the money. Makar, MacKinnon, and Rantanen have all been named to all-NHL teams. Filip Forsberg has never been anywhere close.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
3 year deal for Kuemper sounds like I'm going to be back to angry and @Avs_19 is going to want to give @The Kingslayer a stone cold stunner.
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I'd love to give @The Kingslayer a stunner regardless, especially after I see him with that slick new avatar that I want to steal and use for myself.

Back to Kuemper though, I don't want him back but three years would certainly be better than one of those Markstrom-type deals I was expecting. It'll probably be higher AAV but I doubt Sakic would go too high on that either.

MAF for cheap wouldn't be terrible but I think Francouz is better right now and no one here thinks he can be the starter so maybe it would be terrible.

I think I want Husso if it's a reasonable deal, which it probably won't be because free agency.
 
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