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Balthazar

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AllAboutAvs said:
I am starting to get really concerned about losing Nuke.
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I fear that the biggest threat isn't money but his possible desire to play elsewhere (a place with a bigger Russian community). If that happens then there's not much we can do.

Nuke doesn't seem to communicate that comfortably in English, he doesn't speak much and there's no other Russian on the team. His reaction when he embraced Kucherov and Vasi after game 6 were very telling IMO. He couldn't stop laughing and chatting with them.

Friedman said that he was turning down interviews to journalists on the ice after the game. All he was saying was "no interview". You can tell there's a significant language issue.
 
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So what's your conclusion. Bottom line it for us, please.
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IMO Sakic will extend Mack, re-sign Nuke (really hoping I'm right here), Lehky, Cogs, Helm if he wants to keep playing, and find a goalie.

Besides that IMO he will try to get a 2C. If he can't get one he will wait until the TDL to make a major move.

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I fear that the biggest threat isn't money but his possible desire to play elsewhere (a place with a bigger Russian community). If that happens then there's not much we can do.

Nuke doesn't seem to communicate that comfortably in English, he doesn't speak much and there's no other Russian on the team. His reaction when he embraced Kucherov and Vasi after game 6 were very telling IMO. He couldn't stop laughing and chatting with them.

Friedman said that he was turning down interviews to journalists on the ice after the game. All he was saying was "no interview". You can tell there's a significant language issue.
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It is certainly a possibility. Hope you are wrong though.
 
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Balthazar said:
I fear that the biggest threat isn't money but his possible desire to play elsewhere (a place with a bigger Russian community). If that happens then there's not much we can do.

Nuke doesn't seem to communicate that comfortably in English, he doesn't speak much and there's no other Russian on the team. His reaction when he embraced Kucherov and Vasi after game 6 were very telling IMO. He couldn't stop laughing and chatting with them.

Friedman said that he was turning down interviews to journalists on the ice after the game. All he was saying was "no interview". You can tell there's a significant language issue.
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Val gets by fine enough. :)

 
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AllAboutAvs said:
From reading the last few pages...
1. Why would Seattle trade Gourde? They need him to insulate Beniers. Maybe if they sign Kadri but I can't see him signing there.

2. I doubt Sakic will trade his 2023 1st round pick this offseason. IMO he wants to keep it for the TDL. Last TDL he didn't have his 2022 1st and I think that restricted him in what he could do.

3. I think Forsberg will be too expansive for Sakic.

4. I am starting to get really concerned about losing Nuke. Thank God Sakic was smart enough to get Lehky as insurance. Mikheyev would be a good replacement though.
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Have you seen the insulation that J.T. Compher can provide?? It's like 'closed cell-foam' level...


Balthazar said:
I fear that the biggest threat isn't money but his possible desire to play elsewhere (a place with a bigger Russian community). If that happens then there's not much we can do.

Nuke doesn't seem to communicate that comfortably in English, he doesn't speak much and there's no other Russian on the team. His reaction when he embraced Kucherov and Vasi after game 6 were very telling IMO. He couldn't stop laughing and chatting with them.

Friedman said that he was turning down interviews to journalists on the ice after the game. All he was saying was "no interview". You can tell there's a significant language issue.
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Bah just trade for Samsonov and get him at least a buddy. C'mon everyone knows it's gonna happen, Washington knows it's gonna happen... just get it done already.
 
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I got news for ya, A LOT of goalies are headcases. Way more than you realize. Take Patrick Roy, for instance. Or Jordan Binnington. Or Eddie Belfour. The list is endless.
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It takes a…unique mindset to crouch between those pipes & let dudes repeatedly launch vulcanized rubber discs 75-120mph at you. :laugh:
 
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Balthazar said:
I fear that the biggest threat isn't money but his possible desire to play elsewhere (a place with a bigger Russian community). If that happens then there's not much we can do.

Nuke doesn't seem to communicate that comfortably in English, he doesn't speak much and there's no other Russian on the team. His reaction when he embraced Kucherov and Vasi after game 6 were very telling IMO. He couldn't stop laughing and chatting with them.

Friedman said that he was turning down interviews to journalists on the ice after the game. All he was saying was "no interview". You can tell there's a significant language issue.
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I think it's going to be about what his significant other wants. It was speculated that Panarin chose NYR because his model GF (now wife) was familiar with the city and saw it as the best option for her. I don't think the players themselves care that much. I'm sure Nuke gets along just fine with the team, and during the season there's not that much free time for these players anyway.

If there was an offer on the table from NYR, Tampa or Florida with about the same AAV as us then maybe. But I don't see any of those teams being after Nuke. But let's say a team like the Blues (yuck) comes in with the same offer, I don't see Nuke changing Denver to St. Louis even if the latter has a few Russian players on the team.
 
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If Nichuskin walks and there's an extra ~$6m in capspace available for the next 6-7 years, that would make it a lot more feasible to trade for and extend JT Miller...

With Nichuskin re-signing it's virtually impossible to sign a 2C for big money, but without Nichuskin re-signed the Avs will have a tonne of capspace to work with, meaning that they could acquire JT Miller at full $5.25m caphit for this season, and immediately extend him at ~$8.5m, or whatever AAV gets it done.

Allocating that money to a 2C would make a lot more sense than dropping it on a winger like Forsberg for example. And honestly as much as we like Nichuskin, if he asks for $6.5m+ that's also probably also too much to spend on another winger given how much is already being spent on Landeskog, Rantanen, and soon Lehkonen.

Miller would plug the biggest hole on the roster, and give the Avs a legit 1-2 punch down the middle again:

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Lehkonen
Newhook* ------ Miller ------- Rantanen
UFA* ------------- Meyers ------ Compher

The main issue in that scenario is the cost of acquisition. Vancouver's biggest need is RHD which Colorado now lack in their system, and thus 2023 1st + Olausson/Foudy/Behrens might not get it done. It's also doubtful whether they'd have any interest in Girard given that they already have a small puck-moving LHD in Quinn.

With that in mind, dare I say it that if the Avs want Miller then perhaps Toews would be the piece required to entice Vancouver. The trade would effectively be trading a 1C on a great contract for a 1LHD on a great contract. Vancouver probably add something or retain a bit due to the fact that Toews has two years Vs Miller's one year, and has a $1.15m lower caphit than Miller.

Avs would be of course be betting big on Byram's health and also his ability as Makar's partner starting next season. Maybe that risk is worth it to get a 1C with term while also keeping hold of Girard.

A trade like that would leave a tonne of capspace which can be used to re-sign Kuemper and Manson even at market rates, allowing you to roll out the top 6 below, which despite missing Toews is still one of the best in the league.

Byram - Makar
Girard - Manson
xxxxx -- EJ

Edit: On second thought you probably make Newhook + 1st available before Toews. Just another idea anyhow.
 
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A very good case for Byram - Makar, and Toews - Girard pairings...

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Richard88 said:
If Nichuskin walks and there's an extra ~$6m in capspace available for the next 6-7 years, that would make it a lot more feasible to trade for and extend JT Miller...

With Nichuskin re-signing it's virtually impossible to sign a 2C for big money, but without Nichuskin re-signed the Avs will have a tonne of capspace to work with, meaning that they could acquire JT Miller at full $5.25m caphit for this season, and immediately extend him at ~$8.5m, or whatever AAV gets it done.

Allocating that money to a 2C would make a lot more sense than dropping it on a winger like Forsberg for example. And honestly as much as we like Nichuskin, if he asks for $6.5m+ that's also probably also too much to spend on another winger given how much is already being spent on Landeskog, Rantanen, and soon Lehkonen.

Miller would plug the biggest hole on the roster, and give the Avs a legit 1-2 punch down the middle again:

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Lehkonen
Newhook* ------ Miller ------- Rantanen
UFA* ------------- Meyers ------ Compher

The main issue in that scenario is the cost of acquisition. Vancouver's biggest need is RHD which Colorado now lack in their system, and thus 2023 1st + Olausson/Foudy/Behrens might not get it done. It's also doubtful whether they'd have any interest in Girard given that they already have a small puck-moving LHD in Quinn.

With that in mind, dare I say it that if the Avs want Miller then perhaps Toews would be the piece required to entice Vancouver. The trade would effectively be trading a 1C on a great contract for a 1LHD on a great contract. Vancouver probably add something or retain a bit due to the fact that Toews has two years Vs Miller's one year, and has a $1.15m lower caphit than Miller.

Avs would be of course be betting big on Byram's health and also his ability as Makar's partner starting next season. Maybe that risk is worth it to get a 1C with term while also keeping hold of Girard.

A trade like that would leave a tonne of capspace which can be used to re-sign Kuemper and Manson even at market rates, allowing you to roll out the top 6 below, which despite missing Toews is still one of the best in the league.

Byram - Makar
Girard - Manson
xxxxx -- EJ

Edit: On second thought you probably make Newhook + 1st available before Toews. Just another idea anyhow.
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I prefer Horvat personally (if available).

Keeps the AAV down (6-7M) and is a better two-way player.

With Miller, I just get the feeling that signing him to a huge contract would backfire - not in the sense that he would stink like Loui Eriksson but that he'd be paid like a 90 pt forward but regress to 60-65 pt one.

He had a monster year but I don't think that's his norm going forward. Kind of like what everyone is expecting to happen with Kadri...

I really doubt the Avs trade Toews, I think resigning him next summer when he has 1 year left is what they have planned.

If the Avs were to offer Newhook + 1st for Horvat - would they say no? The cap savings would allow them to probably keep Miller and that deal is not unlike what the Kings have up for Fiala. Sure the pick is likely going to be later than 19th but Newhook isn't an unproven prospect like Faber (though I really like that kid) and a former 1st rounder that's actually proven he can play in the league.

I really like Newhook and wouldn't move him out for a lot of guys but Horvat is one of those and he fits out window right now.
 
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