Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[CalderKing21]

How many organizations actually have a solid plan in place and then are actually disciplined enough to pull it off? Avs obviously and the TBL too. I like what LA has done as a young team. They’re well positioned. But most organizations leave me going ‘meh’. I’m a hard critic though.

A lot of teams just blow picks and it comes back to bite them and then they overspend in FA to compensat.
The Oilers and Devils took multiple #1 overall picks to deepen their talent pool and the Devils still suck.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If you are Colorado you jump all over that. Soucy easily can replace Manson next to Byram and Gourde maybe ideally a 3C can also play an elite shutdown C with Lehkonen and Nuke.

I just think Girard and a late first isn’t enough to get it done. Maybe if you drop the 2nd from Seattle it’s closer.

This place can be such an ecco chambr of oversimplified nonsense.

If the Avs were trading what they gave for Manson, are you sure Soucy was an option for the same?

Seattle likely drafted Gourde for the purpose of eventually trading him. But his value is greatest as an individual piece. People typically admit to this reality. So why are the Avs suddenly allowed to bundle?

I don't see any scenario where Burakovsky is re-signed by the Avs.

Thank you for your service, glad you got another cup and you scored some important goals for us but go out there and get paid.

He totally, 100% to me feels like a 6X6 contract with New Jersey, Seattle or Ottawa.

And we should get a negotiating rights pick for him.

 

[Gruyeriev]

I think its pretty close. COL 2023 1st is worth more then WPG 2023 2nd + Soucy, while Girard is worth more then Gourde. Together I think its pretty balanced as a full deal.

I think you are undervaluing Soucy quite a bit here. In fact I would take Soucy alone for 32OA. Girard and Gourde I think are closer than you think too.

C and D both valued highly. Gourde is more defensive and not exactly an ideal but a good 2C or an elite 3C. (I would be more comfortable with this if I knew Newhook could eventually take that 2C job but he is seeming more like a winger).

Sam Girard is not exactly an ideal 3D either. He has elite puck transitions and breakouts but he’s not really a good PP quarterback. His shot is below average though his passing and skating are good. In fact Soucy was who I was hoping for as a D partner for him before we got Manson. Soucy next to Byram? Look out Avs are rolling. This is really apples to oranges.

 

[flyfysher]

A lot of teams just blow picks and it comes back to bite them and then they overspend in FA to compensat.
The Oilers and Devils took multiple #1 overall picks to deepen their talent pool and the Devils still suck.

That’s why I think it’s be hard for other teams to try and duplicate the Avs success much less their incredible good luck in drafting Makar and Byram and signing Nuchushkin. We were lucky to have Sakic, MacFarland and JB working as a management team. I’m pretty sure those guys had a pretty detailed plan and many strategy sessions on how to get there.

 

[Bender]

A lot of teams just blow picks and it comes back to bite them and then they overspend in FA to compensat.
The Oilers and Devils took multiple #1 overall picks to deepen their talent pool and the Devils still suck.

The Devils invested in building their forward group first which isn't too different from how we did it. The Hamilton signing was a head scratcher for me but they are eventually going to become a good team. They are on the cusp of potentially qualifying for the playoffs but it won't be until they have a better back-end and a legit starter that they'll be ready to maybe make some noise.

That is of course, if they stay the course and don't get tempted to take shortcuts.

 

[Gruyeriev]

This place can be such an ecco chambr of oversimplified nonsense.

If the Avs were trading what they gave for Manson, are you sure Soucy was an option for the same?

No I think they are valued a bit differently. Manson was a vet and UFA. He was brought in for his known Physicality to help Girard out specifically.

Soucy is and RFA with a year left. He is Big but not quite as physical as Manson but more of a two way D. Are they both worth Helleson? Too early to know if we got burned.

Also Manson ended up being better offensively than anyone of us could have imagined. He was terrible at first but adjusted well. I like him but he is 30, looking to get paid and rumored to want to return to Anaheim. We don’t have anyone like this in the system since we traded Helleson to get him

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

A lot of teams just blow picks and it comes back to bite them and then they overspend in FA to compensat.
The Oilers and Devils took multiple #1 overall picks to deepen their talent pool and the Devils still suck.

The Devils are 1-2 pieces away from being an elite team from a very long time.... And they already have those pieces in the organization and are about to draft the other one.

They have an elite 1-2 Center combo, they have a borderline #1D in Hamilton and another potential #1D in Hughes, and they're fortunate enough to have all those pieces in place so they can now likely draft an elite winger in Slafkovsky.

They're a very good young team that will be one of the top in the east in the next couple of years. Hughes/Hischier alone puts them way ahead of most teams.


They literally just need decent, healthy goaltending next year and they're probably a playoff team.

 

[John Mandalorian]

No I think they are valued a bit differently. Manson was a vet and UFA. He was brought in for his known Physicality to help Girard out specifically.

Soucy is and RFA with a year left. He is Big but not quite as physical as Manson but more of a two way D. Are they both worth Helleson? Too early to know if we got burned.

Also Manson ended up being better offensively than anyone of us could have imagined. He was terrible at first but adjusted well. I like him but he is 30, looking to get paid and rumored to want to return to Anaheim. We don’t have anyone like this in the system since we traded Helleson to get him

I agree with you on a lot if that. I think no one foresaw the fantastic timing on his rushes. His game 1 vs Edmonton was atrocious. But after that, he was reliable.

The thing about acquiring players from California teams is that they’re often overpaid beyond their useful life. Look at Getzlaf, Doughty, Vlasic, Couture, etc. They’re like Disney characters going out and shaking hands long after they’re useful players.

 

[Pokecheque]

The way this reads is Gibson sucks and it may be because he’s a head case.

I got news for ya, A LOT of goalies are headcases. Way more than you realize. Take Patrick Roy, for instance. Or Jordan Binnington. Or Eddie Belfour. The list is endless.

 

[Gruyeriev]

I got news for ya, A LOT of goalies are headcases. Way more than you realize. Take Patrick Roy, for instance. Or Jordan Binnington. Or Eddie Belfour. The list is endless.

Dominik “The Diva“ Hasek

 

[5280]

I got news for ya, A LOT of goalies are headcases. Way more than you realize. Take Patrick Roy, for instance. Or Jordan Binnington. Or Eddie Belfour. The list is endless.

We’ve got a couple of them on here, lol.


Edit: not that that’s a bad thing

 

[CalderKing21]

That’s why I think it’s be hard for other teams to try and duplicate the Avs success much less their incredible good luck in drafting Makar and Byram and signing Nuchushkin. We were lucky to have Sakic, MacFarland and JB working as a management team. I’m pretty sure those guys had a pretty detailed plan and many strategy sessions on how to get there.

It is definitely a hard thing to do. It does require luck but you have to remember that Makar came from us missing on the #1 pick and Byram came from shedding the initial star player of the core.
The Avs only landed one #1 overall pick and that was Mack.

The Devils invested in building their forward group first which isn't too different from how we did it. The Hamilton signing was a head scratcher for me but they are eventually going to become a good team. They are on the cusp of potentially qualifying for the playoffs but it won't be until they have a better back-end and a legit starter that they'll be ready to maybe make some noise.

That is of course, if they stay the course and don't get tempted to take shortcuts.

Granted Hughes did not play a full season but the Devils are a bad team and it ain't just a goalie and a back end from the playoffs. There is a reason why the GM wants to move the #2 pick for immediate help.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Wonder if Forsberg is waiting to see what's going to happen with the Avs?

We've been linked to him so many times.

A Forsberg in an Avs uniform just feels …right

 

[CalderKing21]

The Devils are 1-2 pieces away from being an elite team from a very long time.... And they already have those pieces in the organization and are about to draft the other one.

They have an elite 1-2 Center combo, they have a borderline #1D in Hamilton and another potential #1D in Hughes, and they're fortunate enough to have all those pieces in place so they can now likely draft an elite winger in Slafkovsky.

They're a very good young team that will be one of the top in the east in the next couple of years. Hughes/Hischier alone puts them way ahead of most teams.


They literally just need decent, healthy goaltending next year and they're probably a playoff team.

They need a lot more than that and they are not just 1-2 pieces away. It's going to be a long road for the Devils to get back to the playoffs. They have some nice pieces but they still suck. They are not a good team. They have a lot of potential and can excite the fan base with it but eventually they will have to deliver on it.

 

[MacKaRant]

Poile is offering him 8 years and "low 8's", so roughly 8x $8.25m ($66m).

Avs could almost match that with 7x $9m ($63m), making the 8th year almost negligible.

Forsberg would have a decision to make at that point: whether to take an extra $3m to stay on a crap team, or to lose $3m but play on a contender.

Nashville could go higher of course, but then again so could the Avs, though that's probably not very realistic.

I don't think the Avs have any interest in a monster contract with considerable term for a winger. $9 million for Forsberg is absolutely crazy. Assuming MacKinnon re-ups, we have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, and Makar all on expensive contracts, and adding a fifth one will really hurt the depth going forward. I don't think Forsberg is anywhere near as good as those core four, and I think the team building philosophy that Sakic has shown is to look for efficiencies in the market using our pro scouting to fill out positions around the core.

 

[flyfysher]

It is definitely a hard thing to do. It does require luck but you have to remember that Makar came from us missing on the #1 pick and Byram came from shedding the initial star player of the core.
The Avs only landed one #1 overall pick and that was Mack.


Granted Hughes did not play a full season but the Devils are a bad team and it ain't just a goalie and a back end from the playoffs. There is a reason why the GM wants to move the #2 pick for immediate help.

Yeah, how many GMs are as disciplined about keeping signed players and getting full value on them? I mean, Jost was a prime example. Sakic is loath to trade guys before their contract is up. Only reason why he did so was he recognized Jost sucked on FOs and board battles and Sturm was better in both areas. For Sakic to trade a player under contract, he’s gotta get an offer he can’t refuse like he got for Duchene.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

They need a lot more than that and they are not just 1-2 pieces away. It's going to be a long road for the Devils to get back to the playoffs. They have some nice pieces but they still suck. They are not a good team. They have a lot of potential and can excite the fan base with it but eventually they will have to deliver on it.

That just isn't true at all...

Again, they have a 1C, and a 2C, and a #1D... and a recent 4th overall pick Dman with #1 upside. They have an elite winger already in Bratt, and are about to draft another in Slfakovsky.


They have a fantastic core. They need help in net. That's it.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Mikheyev is my guy if Nichushkin is gone. Actually, I’d love the Avs to get both Nichushkin and Mikheyev since they play on opposite wings.

Big, fast winger who can play on both sides of the puck and score goals. Up over $5M is a little pricey, but if he can be had for something in the 4’s I’m all over that.

There won’t be an open spot on the power play and pretty much all his points come at 5v5.

 

[Pokecheque]

They need a lot more than that and they are not just 1-2 pieces away. It's going to be a long road for the Devils to get back to the playoffs. They have some nice pieces but they still suck. They are not a good team. They have a lot of potential and can excite the fan base with it but eventually they will have to deliver on it.

I agree they’re not 1-2 pieces away from being elite but they should be a playoff team if they just get the damned goaltending.

But I’m not convinced they have all the right pieces. Dougie ain’t a #1 and no one else they got is a number one either. Don’t know what Luke Hughes will be but I’m told he won’t be that. And Smith’s development appears to have gone off the rails.

Also, could be a hot take but I got doubts about Nico Hischier, both in ability and durability.

 

[Chiarelli]

Soooo none of the “insiders” have any real intel at kadri and dreger has turned into brick from anchorman....

 

[Richard Doll]

He promptly traded Ian Cole the season after he virtually/literally sabotaged the Avs in order to get home to a newborn.

Say what??

You are trying to say Cole sabotaged the team to get home?

That is a bonkers statement, if Cole wanted to go home, he could have literally walked into Joe's office and said I want to go home, Joe would have sent him home and brought in a taxi squad player.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Say what??

You are trying to say Cole sabotaged the team to get home?

That is a bonkers statement, if Cole wanted to go home, he could have literally walked into Joe's office and said I want to go home, Joe would have sent him home and brought in a taxi squad player.

I think that's why he was traded so abruptly into the next season. Yes. I believe there were grounds for suspicion.

 

[Gruyeriev]

I don't think the Avs have any interest in a monster contract with considerable term for a winger. $9 million for Forsberg is absolutely crazy. Assuming MacKinnon re-ups, we have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, and Makar all on expensive contracts, and adding a fifth one will really hurt the depth going forward. I don't think Forsberg is anywhere near as good as those core four, and I think the team building philosophy that Sakic has shown is to look for efficiencies in the market using our pro scouting to fill out positions around the core.

I mean you are right but we don’t have a 40+ goal scorer either. Forsberg is probably worth what he will get paid but he just doesn’t fit into our salary cap structure.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

From reading the last few pages...
1. Why would Seattle trade Gourde? They need him to insulate Beniers. Maybe if they sign Kadri but I can't see him signing there.

2. I doubt Sakic will trade his 2023 1st round pick this offseason. IMO he wants to keep it for the TDL. Last TDL he didn't have his 2022 1st and I think that restricted him in what he could do.

3. I think Forsberg will be too expansive for Sakic.

4. I am starting to get really concerned about losing Nuke. Thank God Sakic was smart enough to get Lehky as insurance. Mikheyev would be a good replacement though.

 

[John Mandalorian]

From reading the last few pages...
1. Why would Seattle trade Gourde? They need him to insulate Beniers. Maybe if they sign Kadri but I can't see him signing there.

2. I doubt Sakic will trade his 2023 1st round pick this offseason. IMO he wants to keep it for the TDL. Last TDL he didn't have his 2022 1st and I think that restricted him in what he could do.

3. I think Forsberg will be too expansive for Sakic.

4. I am starting to get really concerned about losing Nuke. Thank God Sakic was smart enough to get Lehky as insurance. Mikheyev would be a good replacement though.

So what's your conclusion. Bottom line it for us, please.