Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[nammerus]

What am I missing about Paul?

Doesn't seem to be more than a decent role player, why do folks think that contract is a discount?

He’s an awesome 3rd line Center. Would love to have him on the team for that AAV.

 

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(Legit though... people should visit Tampa. It is a pretty awesome city with great beaches, culture, and epic food.)

 

[Grackle Party]

(Legit though... people should visit Tampa. It is a pretty awesome city with great beaches, culture, and epic food.)

Agreed St Pete’s is part of the metro area. I’d definitely consider living there

 

[obZen]

If Paul at 3M is a discount then what does Lehkonen deserve?

 

[Ararana]

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(Legit though... people should visit Tampa. It is a pretty awesome city with great beaches, culture, and epic food.)

I've been when I was a kid. The beach babes were my primary focus that trip.

 

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If Paul at 3M is a discount then what does Lehkonen deserve?

UFA vs RFA so not comparable, but Lehk should be 4-4.5m depending on term. If you go for 7-8 years, ~5m isn't unreasonable.

 

[LOFIN]

He's a fantastic 2 way 3C who showed he can step into a 2C role if needed.

He was that this spring with the Lightning. We'll see if he can continue doing that. My bet is he'll come down to the earth a bit.

 

[Iceberg]

Tampa's C depth is a thing of beauty.

 

[redacted]

He was that this spring with the Lightning. We'll see if he can continue doing that. My bet is he'll come down to the earth a bit.

He's been great in a defensive role in Ottawa for a few seasons now. He was supremely underrated for a long time. In Tampa the offense came out with better linemates.

 

[LOFIN]

He's been great in a defensive role in Ottawa for a few seasons now. He was supremely underrated for a long time. In Tampa the offense came out with better linemates.

Kinda like Lehkonen. I do expect Lehky to get more because he's the superior player, but similar roles.

 

[MarkT]

Since when does Dreger or any other insider have any connections to what is actually going on in the Avs' front office?

Dreger will actually have inside info on Kadri because he's good buddies with Kadri's agent. Toronto fans saw this during the Mitch Marner negotiations. Darren Ferris (Kadri and Marner's agent) likes to negotiate through the media, and Dreger is his go-to guy. So when Dreger says anything about Kadri, read it as coming out of Kadri's agent's mouth. That doesn't mean you should believe it, but it's also not just made up.

 

[Richard88]

Dreger will actually have inside info on Kadri because he's good buddies with Kadri's agent. Toronto fans saw this during the Mitch Marner negotiations. Darren Ferris (Kadri and Marner's agent) likes to negotiate through the media, and Dreger is his go-to guy. So when Dreger says anything about Kadri, read it as coming out of Kadri's agent's mouth. That doesn't mean you should believe it, but it's also not just made up.

So Ferris tells Dreger to leak the ask of 8-9m and say the Avs want to keep him to start high and create a bidding war for him. More news at 7.

 

[Balthazar]

Dreger will actually have inside info on Kadri because he's good buddies with Kadri's agent. Toronto fans saw this during the Mitch Marner negotiations. Darren Ferris (Kadri and Marner's agent) likes to negotiate through the media, and Dreger is his go-to guy. So when Dreger says anything about Kadri, read it as coming out of Kadri's agent's mouth. That doesn't mean you should believe it, but it's also not just made up.

This!!

People on this board are like "Dreger is a hack and doesn't know anything about the Avs".

He doesn't need to learn anything from the Avs when it's the other side that is leaking. Dreger, Kadri, Toronto. Easy to do the math here.

 

[mackinnon29]

UFA vs RFA so not comparable, but Lehk should be 4-4.5m depending on term. If you go for 7-8 years, ~5m isn't unreasonable.

3.8-4.2 I think you can get him under contract depending on the term, Paul got 3 (in Tampa) so it will be more due to taxes there but Paul is also a great number 3C low in 2 which he has over Lehky so that should help a bit.

 

[UncleRisto]

I head a good comparison recently: Mark Stone minus the offense.

So Paul Gaustad minus the faceoffs?

 

[Goulet17]

I can see Colorado having interest in keeping Kadri, but I view the term as being the issue and not the dollars/AAV. Sakic seems to avoid long term contracts and I doubt that Kadri will be willing to accept a two or possibly three year deal based on the likely other offers.

I see the contract term as the sticking points for Manson and DK as well. Unless they are willing to take two or possibly three year deals, they are gone. It is fine by me, as I have come around to the idea that you can't lock in your cap paying a bunch of 30 + year old non-core players on long term deals.

I am sure that Sakic and McFarland already have plans B, C, D, etc. in place.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

I can see Colorado having interest in keeping Kadri, but I view the term as being the issue and not the dollars/AAV. Sakic seems to avoid long term contracts and I doubt that Kadri will be willing to accept a two or possibly three year deal based on the likely other offers.

I see the contract term as the sticking points for Manson and DK as well. Unless they are willing to take two or possibly three year deals, they are gone. It is fine by me, as I have come around to the idea that you can't lock in your cap paying a bunch of 30 + year old non-core players on long term deals.

I am sure that Sakic and McFarland already have plans B, C, D, etc. in place.

This.

Almost all, if not all of the Avs UFA/RFAs this year are the type you don't mind paying the cap hit on...its just that they come with long term risk -- be it age or question marks.

Kadri on a 2-3 year deal at 8-8.5? 100% would find a way to do it and make adjustments elsewhere. Kadri on a 7 year 7.5 hit, nope.

Darcy on a 2-3 year 5ish million deal, probably yeah. 5 x 5 no.

If Nuke wants to cash in, I bet someone is willing to do 7 x 6. I would not.

Manson, great fit for the team for the next 2-3 years....but beyond that you question if they can afford to pay him 4 million a year and if his game will still be there.

Basically when you have guys with some risk -- be it ability, age, intangibles, whatever, a 2-3 year deal is at worst case something you can pay futures to get rid of at any point in that deal.

Also, in the cap era I think you are best building teams around 2-4 year windows of contention. You sign your core obviously, but you then go in 3ish year waves of sign/trade/contend-- then slightly regress and start the cycle over.

 

[TheShape]

Now this would be a huge mistake.

Dreger's a total fear monger constantly inflating player's prices. There are a lot of crazy GMs out there but nobody is giving Kadri 9m AAV. Don't listen to a word that guy says.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

I was just looking at Capfriendly to see how much longer Moose has on his deal to see if he and Lehky might possibly leave at the same time and hadn't realized that VGK made the trade that they made.
Same with Dallas.
What is Vegas doing???

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Dreger's a total fear monger constantly inflating player's prices. There are a lot of crazy GMs out there but nobody is giving Kadri 9m AAV. Don't listen to a word that guy says.

Honestly, I think one might.

Does not mean that is the price to sign in Colorado though.

I was just looking at Capfriendly to see how much longer Moose has on his deal to see if he and Lehky might possibly leave at the same time and hadn't realized that VGK made the trade that they made.
Same with Dallas.
What is Vegas doing???

Vegas traded for LTIR Cap space. Not Weber. Basically. Traded to go over the cap so they could get under it, lol.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

Honestly, I think one might.

Does not mean that is the price to sign in Colorado though.



Vegas traded for LTIR Cap space. Not Weber. Basically. Traded to go over the cap so they could get under it, lol.

Oh, I forgot about the LTIR. Man, they will play the game as much as anyone.

 

[MarkT]

This.

Almost all, if not all of the Avs UFA/RFAs this year are the type you don't mind paying the cap hit on...its just that they come with long term risk -- be it age or question marks.

Kadri on a 2-3 year deal at 8-8.5? 100% would find a way to do it and make adjustments elsewhere. Kadri on a 7 year 7.5 hit, nope.

Darcy on a 2-3 year 5ish million deal, probably yeah. 5 x 5 no.

If Nuke wants to cash in, I bet someone is willing to do 7 x 6. I would not.

Manson, great fit for the team for the next 2-3 years....but beyond that you question if they can afford to pay him 4 million a year and if his game will still be there.

Basically when you have guys with some risk -- be it ability, age, intangibles, whatever, a 2-3 year deal is at worst case something you can pay futures to get rid of at any point in that deal.

Also, in the cap era I think you are best building teams around 2-4 year windows of contention. You sign your core obviously, but you then go in 3ish year waves of sign/trade/contend-- then slightly regress and start the cycle over.

This is the big question this offseason. Which UFAs stay and which go will largely depend on what term they are after rather than the cap hit. Kuemper is a great example. I think a lot of people here are talking about other options because they assume he'll be after a long-term deal, but if we know he's willing to go 3 or less years, I'd bet most people here would welcome him back.

Dreger's a total fear monger constantly inflating player's prices. There are a lot of crazy GMs out there but nobody is giving Kadri 9m AAV. Don't listen to a word that guy says.

I guess you missed my post above. He's just repeating what Darren Ferris tells him. Yes, he's reporting an inflated price, but blame the agent for that, not Dreger.

 

[TheShape]

Honestly, I think one might.

Does not mean that is the price to sign in Colorado though.

If anyone does it's going to be some bottom feeder irrelevant team. No other contender has the space at that price range. I don't see Kadri walking into another rebuild after winning a cup.

 

[MarkT]

Honestly, I think one might.

Does not mean that is the price to sign in Colorado though.



Vegas traded for LTIR Cap space. Not Weber. Basically. Traded to go over the cap so they could get under it, lol.

Vegas trading for Weber is them acknowledging they are going to be in cap hell for years to come. It's a sign they have no interest in getting square with the cap, so I'd expect more guys being unceremoniously shipped out of there.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Vegas trading for Weber is them acknowledging they are going to be in cap hell for years to come. It's a sign they have no interest in getting square with the cap, so I'd expect more guys being unceremoniously shipped out of there.

It’s Vegas, they’re going to chase a shiny new toy and then dump players without care until they resemble the late 90s and early 00s Rangers that was just a bunch of mercenaries that cared about themselves