Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[MarkT]

Generational(ly terrible eyebrows)

 

[Richard88]

How about Girard?

That would be expensive. Dvorak is a low-end 2C. I'd rather just part with the 2023 1st straight up in that case.

 

[MarkT]

That would be expensive. Dvorak is a low-end 2C. I'd rather just part with the 2023 1st straight up in that case.

I wasn't suggesting 1-for-1. Montreal also has a boatload of picks.

I could also see packaging both Girard and Compher to Montreal to free up all the space we need to resign everyone we want. They could then either keep JT or flip him for more picks.

 

[Richard88]

I wasn't suggesting 1-for-1. Montreal also has a boatload of picks.

Fair enough. I'd still want to be adding to Girard to get a good 2C, rather than having the other team add in a deal for a lesser 2C.

 

[MarkT]

Fair enough. I'd still want to be adding to Girard to get a good 2C, rather than having the other team add in a deal for a lesser 2C.

The problem is I just don't see a lot of 2Cs out there who are both available and worth Girard+, and he's out best trade chip to get that 2C if we're not relying on free agency or Kadri taking a discount.

 

[Balthazar]

Dvorak doesn't have the speed to be our 2C

 

[The Abusement Park]

Dvorak would be fine as 3C here. But he’s nowhere near a 2C, or at least good enough for us here.

 

[Balthazar]

Dvorak would be fine as 3C here. But he’s nowhere near a 2C, or at least good enough for us here.

I'd swap him for JTC+ because he's a real center but Montreal doesn't do that.

Everyone last year was terrible in Montreal (similar to our 48 pts season) so no player should be judged based on that season.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

What an absolute steal of a contract for Tampa Bay. Middle 6 Center with size and a great two-way game for just $3M?


How do they constantly do it

 

[Grigowski]

What an absolute steal of a contract for Tampa Bay. Middle 6 Center with size and a great two-way game for just $3M?


How do they constantly do it

You forget the tax-advantage.....Helps a lot

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

You forget the tax-advantage.....Helps a lot

It doesn't help at all... That myth has been debunked sooooo many times now.



The Florida whether and lifestyle is the advantage, that and Tampa simply being a top tier organization.

 

[dahrougem2]

Said it before and will say it a thousand times more:

Christian Dvorak is not a good hockey player. Would not want him anywhere near the 2C role and would rather go through a good 15-20 options internally/externally before giving him a sniff at 3C.

Stay away from that player.

 

[shadow1]

Slight change of topic, but what do people think about Nick Schmaltz as our potential 2C if Kadri leaves?
I'm basing this on the assumption that everyone on the Coyotes is for sale and I assume it would cost at least Newhook+ to do it.
Schmaltz has put up good numbers on a terrible Coyotes team (0.73 points per game over the past three seasons and a respectable 23 goals and 36 assists last season - although that was with a 19% shooting percentage). He's 26, 6'0, and shoots right, and he's signed for four more years at 5.85m.

I posted this before, take it with a grain of salt, but I don't think he's a center.

He's always flip flopped between RW and C because he's terrible at face-offs and not great defensively. But this year in particular he mostly played RW.

 

[shadow1]

How about Christian Dvorak for 2C?

Elliott Friedman said last season that a team in the West were looking at Dvorak, which very well could have been the Avs given that they had interest a couple of years ago. That being the case I said at the TDL that I had a sneaky suspicion that Sakic was working on a Lehkonen + Dvorak trade (my proposal was 1st + Barron + JTC for those two), and half of that trade turned into reality. I wonder if we see the other half happen as well this off-season. Not sure what piece(s) Montreal would want for Dvorak though.

I almost posted about him a few weeks ago, but I didn't want to be hanged and quartered. Sakic did reportedly ask about him at the draft last year, but Arizona was requesting Newhook.

Personally I think Dvorak's a decent player. He's obviously great at face-offs, and is above average defensively.

Offensively he's more of a mixed bag. His last two years (64 points in 112 GP) basically match what Kadri did in his first two years (68 points in 107 GP) with Colorado. The big difference is Kadri is an electric offensive player, whereas Dvorak is more of a deflection/rebound kinda guy.

My opinion is I'd love Dvorak as a 3C, but be underwhelmed with him as a 2C. He's similar in ways to the Carl Soderberg mold, if that makes sense.

 

[LOFIN]

It doesn't help at all... That myth has been debunked sooooo many times now.

The Florida whether and lifestyle is the advantage, that and Tampa simply being a top tier organization.

When Tampa wins two cups the taxes suddenly become an issue, but no-one bats an eye when the Panthers don't win a round in over 20 years and for the vast majority of that time are outside of the playoffs anyway. I especially find it funny when most of the whiners seem to be Leafs fans. Like c'mon, a guy like Matthews, Marner or Tavares makes the difference in paid taxes back multiple times with advertisement money they are bound to get in Toronto.

Instead of complaining about the taxes, people should be complaining about the hard cap. It's just so sad to see great teams broken up because of it. If the league would ask me, there should be relief for players that have been with the team for a certain number of years or something like that. It should not be a hard cap league.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I'd swap him for JTC+ because he's a real center but Montreal doesn't do that.

Everyone last year was terrible in Montreal (similar to our 48 pts season) so no player should be judged based on that season.

It’s not like he did much prior to MTL to show he’s a sure fire 2C.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Dvorak f***ing sucksssss. That was such an awful trade for Montreal and everybody knew it.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

We should just trade G to Ottawa for Norris, fleece them once more for old time's sake.

More realistically though, it'll probably be a swap for Gourde to get our 2C. Reasonable cap hit with only 3 years on it, Sakic loves those kinds of contracts

 

[Avaholic29]

What an absolute steal of a contract for Tampa Bay. Middle 6 Center with size and a great two-way game for just $3M?


How do they constantly do it

The beachessss!! Lol for real though I’m not sure, I’m guessing the term was too good to pass up for Paul, he’s never played 60 games in a season or got over 20 points so 7x3.5 is pretty solid

 

[Balthazar]

It's also possible that Paul was never a 5M guy like some people here tought.

 

[The Abusement Park]

It's also possible that Paul was never a 5M guy like some people here tought.

He’s not a 5mil guy. But he would’ve 100% gotten 4.

 

[henchman21]

It's also possible that Paul was never a 5M guy like some people here tought.

I would have paid him $5m and he'd be worth every penny long-term. People will see how he thrives in Tampa.

 

[niwotsblessing]

Paul took less money than JTC gets?

 

[Belgican]

I would have paid him $5m and he'd be worth every penny long-term. People will see how he thrives in Tampa.

You should have been his agent then and get the 2M$

 

[RoyIsALegend]

7 years for a guy like that is a big commitment, so I understand the lower AAV. He's set now. His body could completely fall apart in 2-3 years after a few more Cup runs and he's secured the bag.

It works for Tampa during their window and it works for him long-term.