Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[Bill Peckerskull]

Patiently waiting for @Bill Peckerskull to post some good news tweets.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Lol.

 

[CalderKing21]

McDonagh had a 12 team NTC and they basically forced him to go to Nashville by saying they were going to waive him and CBus was gonna claim him.

There are ways around it.

Between that and Guerin saying what he said about Talbot...these new school GM's gives no effs about PR.

 

[Avsboy]

Delete

 

[TheShape]

Palat has been there for 10 years and in the org for 12, and been one of their most clutch players. Nichushkin being 4 years younger means nothing to them.

McDonagh wasn't traded because a younger, more superior player was available though. He was traded for the sole purpose of finding money for Paul & Palat.

The locker room reportedly was already unhappy at McDonagh being traded. They wouldn't take too kindly to the organization not finding money for the guy they supposedly moved a locker room leader to find said money for.

Again, you are underestimating how ruthless that management group is. Management will do what they can to ice the best team to win in the now. The locker room understands the bigger picture.

Take age out of the equation then, Nichushkin is a better player than Palat.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Raucherhusten]

What I suspect is happening is Kucherov and Vasilevsky are calling Nichushkin to woo him over. Sakic needs to up the offer and go hard after Malkin to get a larger Russian presence.

Russia has around 145 mil citizens, give or take. Them being from the same country doesn't mean shit. That's about the stupidest thing i read in a long LONG time! And that means a lot being a member of this board for almost 5 years.

 

[Avsboy]

Russia has around 145 mil citizens, give or take. Them being from the same country doesn't mean shit. That's about the stupidest thing i read in a long LONG time! And that means a lot being a member of this board for almost 5 years.

I was about to delete this comment for stupidity actually but you've immortalized it. Anyway, it's still slightly plausible since Nichushkin doesn't speak much English. Malkin for 2-3 years would be a good move too.

 

[willy702]

Manson or Girard. Who would we rather have for the next 5 years? Going to cost about the same. Pick one

This question is real?

 

[Balthazar]

This question is real?

It's real but it's flawed.

The real question is: trade Girard for a nice haul or lose Manson for nothing.

If we sign Manson to, say, 4.5M X 4 there's nothing that prevents us to trade him next year. He'll be real easy to trade. RHD with size who can play 2nd pairing minutes are highly sought after.

The way to go is to trade G this summer (for a 2C or other assets) and then trade Manson down the road.

 

[willy702]

Manson + assets from trading Girard. Next year is our best chance to win another cup in the next 5 years, and Manson provides more with Byram, Makar, and Toews here.

I also think it’s a lot easier to replace Girard with a guy like Miller on the cheap than it is with Manson. There aren’t many guys that can play a physical game, take a hit, skate, and process the game quick enough to be effective in Bednar’s system. The fact he’s a RHD which are unicorn to begin with is just the icing on top.

I will say the most i’d go is 4.5 mil x 4 or 4 mil x 5, but ideally you get him on a 4 x 4 contract. Anything more than that and you let him walk.

Let's get real on this though. Next year is maybe 25% chance of winning the Cup. The year after what does it drop to? 20% maybe? The year after is 15% maybe if nothing significant happens with the roster? It's not like the chances fall off a cliff. Make smart decisions and things balance out over time. Make crazy all in moves for next year and you get to maybe 27-28% next year and it goes to 10% 3 years from now. Or something like that, point being NHL GMs aren't idiots. They know this math, you can't guarantee your team a Cup, you can only improve the odds a bit. Going all in is dumb dumb dumb unless you know for a fact like 2 or 3 key pieces are gone next year. Considering every truly key piece is signed for awhile other than Nate it's not time for an all in wreck the future contract.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[PAZ]

Let's get real on this though. Next year is maybe 25% chance of winning the Cup. The year after what does it drop to? 20% maybe? The year after is 15% maybe if nothing significant happens with the roster? It's not like the chances fall off a cliff. Make smart decisions and things balance out over time. Make crazy all in moves for next year and you get to maybe 27-28% next year and it goes to 10% 3 years from now. Or something like that, point being NHL GMs aren't idiots. They know this math, you can't guarantee your team a Cup, you can only improve the odds a bit. Going all in is dumb dumb dumb unless you know for a fact like 2 or 3 key pieces are gone next year. Considering every truly key piece is signed for awhile other than Nate it's not time for an all in wreck the future contract.

So you're saying it was a dumb move to trade for Manson, Lehkonen, and Cogliano? You need to take calculated gambles and lots of luck to win. Making decision solely on value means you end up like Carolina or Nashville of the past where they're always close, but they never had the balls to go all-in until it was too late.

Signing Manson and trading Girard isn't in a complete all-in, not even close. People are acting like Manson is 35, not 30/31. It's basically just punting spending assets down the road, instead of having to trade for another Manson next year. It's very likely his game is going to decline, but it's also not a complete given either. Plenty of GMs also aren't smart, Tampa had plenty of suitors for McDonagh who is 33 and got all his prime years out of him.

Girard is a luxury piece, if Joe can make a hockey trade you do it, and if not you keep him.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Let's get real on this though. Next year is maybe 25% chance of winning the Cup. The year after what does it drop to? 20% maybe? The year after is 15% maybe if nothing significant happens with the roster? It's not like the chances fall off a cliff. Make smart decisions and things balance out over time. Make crazy all in moves for next year and you get to maybe 27-28% next year and it goes to 10% 3 years from now. Or something like that, point being NHL GMs aren't idiots. They know this math, you can't guarantee your team a Cup, you can only improve the odds a bit. Going all in is dumb dumb dumb unless you know for a fact like 2 or 3 key pieces are gone next year. Considering every truly key piece is signed for awhile other than Nate it's not time for an all in wreck the future contract.

This is incredibly flawed logic. And quite frankly GMs do the opposite.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Raucherhusten]

I was about to delete this comment for stupidity actually but you've immortalized it. Anyway, it's still slightly plausible since Nichushkin doesn't speak much English. Malkin for 2-3 years would be a good move too.

That's what i do! Sorry for being an asshole!

Georgiev is from Russia, or is he? Pretty sure that 90% of the NHL goalies are from Russia these days. A least it feels that way.

 

[Balthazar]

Apparently the Pens were offering 6M X 2 to Malkin, then offered 6M X 3..but Malkin wants the Letang contract (6M X 6).

That'd be a f***ing terrible contract. Pens aren't winning another cup with that core and missed their chance to trade Malkin and Letang last year. Now what do you do with that team?

Let Malkin walk, trade Crosby and enjoy Letang finishing his career in a rebuild. That's the only way out at this point.

Missed a golden opportunity to get a nice kickstart for that rebuild with the return from Letang and Malkin trades.

 

[Avsboy]

That's what i do! Sorry for being an asshole!

Georgiev is from Russia, or is he? Pretty sure that 90% of the NHL goalies are from Russia these days. A least it geels that way.

Don't worry I don't take offense to much. Georgiev is a Bulgarian/Russian who can speak Finnish

 

[Balthazar]

The fact that no one traded for Kuemper in that market tells me that a team probably has a verbal agreement with him and they don't feel the necessity to send a pick to Colorado.

Either that or his agent is asking for way too much.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The fact that no one traded for Kuemper in that market tells me that a team probably has a verbal agreement with him and they don't feel the necessity to send a pick to Colorado.

Either that or his agent is asking for way too much.

I think it’s the former.

That Vanecek trade was straight out of left field for me.
Washington surely has a goalie set whether that’s Campbell, Kuemper or someone else. Agents probably let Washington know their player would be comfortable to sign there with the parameters of a contract already known

 

[Avaholic29]

Expected Atleast one contract to be done by now.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Would you say no to Malkin at 4 years/$24M?

 

[CalderKing21]

Would you say no to Malkin at 4 years/$24M?

Of course not.

You say HELL NO!!!!! to that.

 

[RampoSanta]

Would you say no to Malkin at 4 years/$24M?

Hard to think that in year 4, at age 40, he is producing anywhere near $6M worth. Its nice for 2 years and they you have to trade it away but nobody would want that boat anchor and you have to retain a lot

 

[The Merchant]

What an idiot