Prospect Info: 2022-2023 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 06.04.2023)

[nyr2k2]

That was my reaction as well. He may be overwhelmed with New York or just the Northeast U.S.
So what’s the next step?
Trade his rights?

It wouldn't be the first time a kid from Western Canada wasn't enthusiastic about playing in a big city in the U.S. So, seems possible to me. Total speculation, but it seems possible.

If they can't trade his rights and don't sign him, he'll go back in the draft again.

 

[eco's bones]

You may be right about Grubbe having a more realistic NHL path. But Grubbe vs. Korczak may be more of a question of organizational need. The team seems to have lots of potential fourth line players while there is not a great deal of offensive ability with the prospects.

If I'm looking at how Grubbe could possibly fit in three years it would be on our 4th line. It's because he has elements of physical and defensive play already in his game. HIs size doesn't hurt the physicality part.

If I'm looking at how Korczak could possibly fit in three years on our team---it's not as a center on the top 3 lines. We have Mika, Trocheck and Chytil for that. His offensive game so far is really kind of so so. He puts up good not great numbers for a 20 year old in a CHL league. He's about 5'11 and 180 and did not make enough of an impression early this year to stick in Hartford. It'll be back there next year and to have some chance he's probably going to see some time playing wing. I wouldn't be shocked if he spent some time in Jacksonville.

IMO Othmann and Cuylle right now are hands down our best forward prospects. Paju is doing better. Sykora and BMB look like they might be something. Edstrom and Berard could be serious but will need more time. Rempe's there if we need a goon. Chmelar, Laba, Trivigno, Henriksson and Barbashev have had good enough seasons where I think there's still hope. The rest IMO I don't think a lot of. That includes Korczak, Tarnstrom and Vaisanen.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

It wouldn't be the first time a kid from Western Canada wasn't enthusiastic about playing in a big city in the U.S. So, seems possible to me. Total speculation, but it seems possible.

If they can't trade his rights and don't sign him, he'll go back in the draft again.

Curious to know. If the Rangers were to offer Grubbe a contract and he refused to sign would he still go back in this year’s draft?

 

[RGY]

People may not agree with everything Drury has done or mainly with the returns in trades, but he isn’t dumb. I would have to imagine this decision didn’t manifest in the last few days. I would think this is something they had on their decision list for months. And so to that end I would think they tried to put feelers out around the trade deadline. Maybe even tried to substitute Grubbe in place of one of the draft picks traded, or to have a draft pick moved back a round that was being traded, and/or to reduce/remove a condition in a trade. But yet nothing happened. Grubbe probably just doesnt have much value around the league, the same way it was decided by Drury & Co to move on. Save the contract spot for someone else they have a better feeling about.

 

[2014nyr]

It wouldn't be the first time a kid from Western Canada wasn't enthusiastic about playing in a big city in the U.S. So, seems possible to me. Total speculation, but it seems possible.

If they can't trade his rights and don't sign him, he'll go back in the draft again.

i'm with you on it making the most sense that he asked out. if he didn't have enough value for a contract there's no reason to shop him. drury probably not putting that part out there out of respect for the kid. would be kinda nice if it got out if true though...the next time we sign a prospect who walked on his draft org and everyone loses their minds over it we could be like yea well what about JAYDEN GRUBBE?!?!!

 

[Leetch3]

game 7 OT winner

 

[Leetch3]

 

[17futurecap]

Hilarious celly, almost killed his own goalie.

 

[Ranger Ric]

If I'm looking at how Grubbe could possibly fit in three years it would be on our 4th line. It's because he has elements of physical and defensive play already in his game. HIs size doesn't hurt the physicality part.

If I'm looking at how Korczak could possibly fit in three years on our team---it's not as a center on the top 3 lines. We have Mika, Trocheck and Chytil for that. His offensive game so far is really kind of so so. He puts up good not great numbers for a 20 year old in a CHL league. He's about 5'11 and 180 and did not make enough of an impression early this year to stick in Hartford. It'll be back there next year and to have some chance he's probably going to see some time playing wing. I wouldn't be shocked if he spent some time in Jacksonville.

IMO Othmann and Cuylle right now are hands down our best forward prospects. Paju is doing better. Sykora and BMB look like they might be something. Edstrom and Berard could be serious but will need more time. Rempe's there if we need a goon. Chmelar, Laba, Trivigno, Henriksson and Barbashev have had good enough seasons where I think there's still hope. The rest IMO I don't think a lot of. That includes Korczak, Tarnstrom and Vaisanen.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you so much about the players but in the organizational strengths and weaknesses and how that might affect the team's decisions. Grubbe might be the fourth line center you suggest but the team might have felt that he is behind Laba and BMB and that he therefore is redundant in their system. The Rangers also hadn't drafted Laba and BMB when they drafted Grubbe and he hadn't suffered the serious knee injury, which set back his development.

Other than Othmann and to a more limited extent Cuylle, Pajuniemi and Trivigno the Rangers don't have an excess of forward prospects with offensive ability. Knowing of Korczak's weaknesses the team may still feel he has a chance to fill this gap.

So I'm not saying Korczak is a better prospect than Grubbe but that Korczak might fill an organizational need whereas there are several other players who the team believes fills the role that Grubbe might play better than him.

 

[eco's bones]

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you so much about the players but in the organizational strengths and weaknesses and how that might affect the team's decisions. Grubbe might be the fourth line center you suggest but the team might have felt that he is behind Laba and BMB and that he therefore is redundant in their system. The Rangers also hadn't drafted Laba and BMB when they drafted Grubbe and he hadn't suffered the serious knee injury, which set back his development.

Other than Othmann and to a more limited extent Cuylle, Pajuniemi and Trivigno the Rangers don't have an excess of forward prospects with offensive ability. Knowing of Korczak's weaknesses the team may still feel he has a chance to fill this gap.

So I'm not saying Korczak is a better prospect than Grubbe but that Korczak might fill an organizational need whereas there are several other players who the team believes fills the role that Grubbe might play better than him.

The Rangers drafted Grubbe after his knee injury.

As far as offense from the forwards going forward---the Rangers still have years of Kreider and Panarin. They've also got lots of term on Mika, Trocheck and then there's the kid line and Othmann. Not sure the Rangers really need to be reaching in the mid rounds for guys who can put up numbers in the CHL but are reaches to do it when they hit the pros.

For me the Rangers need to hang on to and develop talent pretty much from the top two rounds and look for role players in the mid rounds and on and if those role players can produce some later on that's gravy. Guys like Edstrom, Berard, Cuylle, BMB, Sykora should all be developed with the idea that their 200' games are really going to be what makes or breaks them and perhaps Othmann too. We already have more than enough players to fill top 6 roles for years to come. Players coming on to the team should have to work their way from the bottom lines up.

I will say I like the Sykora and BMB picks. Sykora's small but he's an energizer bunny with an exceptional engine. BMB is smart and has a nice frame to work with. He should fill out to 6'2 210 anyway.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

GOAT Celly.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Well I think there's a difference in the size and strength department, as well as the level of play. If the point is acclimation, because he will still be 18 when training camp starts, why throw him into arguably the second best league on the planet for said acclimation?
That being said, I think the SEL would be great as well, but for different aspects of his development.

I just don't think the whole rink size argument is as big a deal as fans think it is. If you're good enough, you can deal with it. So many examples of European pplayers coming over at age 20 or 21 and jump straight into the NHL. Look at Lehkonen, Aho, Donskoi, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Panarin, Pettersson, Gusev, Kopitar, Bäckström, Bratt, Söderberg and Lehkonen are just some examples.

My main issue with the WHL is that it is a step down from where he plays now. I don't think it's a good step in his development.

 

[bhamill]

I just don't think the whole rink size argument is as big a deal as fans think it is. If you're good enough, you can deal with it. So many examples of European pplayers coming over at age 20 or 21 and jump straight into the NHL. Look at Lehkonen, Aho, Donskoi, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Panarin, Pettersson, Gusev, Kopitar, Bäckström, Bratt, Söderberg and Lehkonen are just some examples.

My main issue with the WHL is that it is a step down from where he plays now. I don't think it's a good step in his development.

No one said he couldn’t deal with it. Just that there IS a transition. And that adjustment just might be smoother and build more confidence in a league less difficult than tne AHL. The kid will be 19 in training camp the WHL would be fine.

 

[bobbop]

More terrible asset management for where we picked him. This organization will never learn

It’s not terrible asset management. It’s cutting your losses. They obviously had high hopes for the player. The catastrophic knee injury last year sure didn’t help. There’s probably more to the story that will come leaking out.

You win some, you lose some at the draft table. Not long ago there was a study that the Rangers had one of the best 2nd-7th round draft records.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It’s not terrible asset management. It’s cutting your losses. They obviously had high hopes for the player. The catastrophic knee injury last year sure didn’t help. There’s probably more to the story that will come leaking out.

You win some, you lose some at the draft table. Not long ago there was a study that the Rangers had one of the best 2nd-7th round draft records.

Bingo. Not every pick gets an ELC.

 

[2014nyr]

I just don't think the whole rink size argument is as big a deal as fans think it is. If you're good enough, you can deal with it. So many examples of European pplayers coming over at age 20 or 21 and jump straight into the NHL. Look at Lehkonen, Aho, Donskoi, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Panarin, Pettersson, Gusev, Kopitar, Bäckström, Bratt, Söderberg and Lehkonen are just some examples.

My main issue with the WHL is that it is a step down from where he plays now. I don't think it's a good step in his development.

i don't think the rink is a huge deal, but it is something to adjust to. for some european players it definitely matters more - ie the more rangy players who don't play with a ton of pace and like to slow the game down by using the extra space rather than keeping their feet moving. in sykora's case though it should actually help him out giving him less ice to cover off the puck allowing more aggressive lines he can take to close on it. on the puck he's got no problems playing in traffic and isn't a perimeter guy.

as far as the whl...i get where you're coming from taking a step backwards league wise. that said, the whl is a plenty good league, and i think the opportunity to have a huge year offensively playing all situations could be a great thing for his confidence - plus they play a more nhl-like schedule and style of play. playing a limited role against slightly better competition has been fine for a lot of players - so if he's happy there it's not gonna hurt him. i'd leave the decision entirely up to him though on if he wants to be in na this year, and it would take a huge training camp to consider hfd if so. i wouldn't say any of those options are worse than the others in a vacuum, the only thing that isn't good for him is to push him towards an option he'd rather not agree to or isn't ready for.

 

[GAGLine]

I just don't think the whole rink size argument is as big a deal as fans think it is.

The biggest thing for any player is time and space. Whenever a player moves to a higher league, the players are bigger, faster and better at taking away that time and space. The size of the rink is a factor as well. We saw how Kakko looked on the big ice in the WC pre-draft, and how he has had to adjust in the NHL. Again, that's not all because of the smaller rink, but it is a contributing factor.

My main issue with the WHL is that it is a step down from where he plays now. I don't think it's a good step in his development.

It's a step down in terms of the overall age and experience of the players he is playing with and against, but it's a more talented league overall. He would be less challenged physically in the WHL, but he would be more challenged in other ways. It's not a straight step down in all areas. There are things he can learn there, and when he gets to the AHL a year later, he can combine those lessons with the lessons he learned back home, and be more ready to produce.

I'm not saying that he absolutely should go to the WHL. But it isn't automatically bad for his development because it's a junior league compared to the pro-league he's currently playing in. It comes down to what the Rangers feel he need to work on to become the NHL player they want him to be, and where he can best work on those things. Every league has it's pros and cons.

 

[eco's bones]

Again Grubbe already had had the knee injury before the Rangers drafted him. It happened during the 20-21 season. He played 5 games that year. That same summer the Rangers drafted him so he was already dealing with the injury already.

It is what it is at this point. If we're not signing him we're not signing him. I think he has issues. He's a very good CHL player but as far as NHL hopes they're definitely bottom line. He puts up a lot of assists. I get the idea he has a muffin of a shot. That said he is excellent defensively for the league he's in. He has the size and strength and attitude to use those assets to his advantage. It's partly why I think he has a realistic chance of making it one day.

 

[RangerBoy]

I read this on Monday

Jayden Grubbe had a good fourth season in the WHL, potting 18 goals and 67 points in 64 games with Red Deer. The playoffs have been an enitrely different animal. He’s tied with Moose Jaw’s Jagger Firkus for the most points by a player outside of Regina (10) in the first round, with his nine assists tying Stanislav Svozil for the playoff lead. Red Deer moved on after a five-game series with Calgary and are still awaiting their opponent for the second round. The New York Rangers took Grubbe with the 65th pick in 2021, and he has since evolved his playmaking game to new heights. He has a big 6-foot-3, 203-pound frame, and he’s as good as they get defensively. The Rangers have a good one here.

Then Frank reported yesterday the Rangers are looking to move Grubbe's rights.

Grubbe was the 1st player taken in the 3rd round in 2021. Can Drury acquire a 3rd or 4th for Grubbe's rights? The acquiring team signs Grubbe to a 3 year ELC.

 

[Miz]

I read this on Monday




Then Frank reported yesterday the Rangers are looking to move Grubbe's rights.

Grubbe was the 1st player taken in the 3rd round in 2021. Can Drury acquire a 3rd or 4th for Grubbe's rights? The acquiring team signs Grubbe to a 3 year ELC.

In a redraft, i would think he'd go in the 5-7th round. I wouldn't expect much more than a 6 or 7th round pick.

 

[Fitzy]

If the Kravtsov trade has taught us anything, there's no pick too small to be worth trading for.

 

[cwede]

full schedule for NYR prospects for second round of Major Junior[WHL, OHL, QMJHL] playoffs
(will continue to include Grubbe as long as NYR retain his rights)

 

[redwhiteandblue]

full schedule for NYR prospects for second round of Major Junior[WHL, OHL, QMJHL] playoffs
(will continue to include Grubbe as long as NYR retain his rights)

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[Kravtsov420]

It’s not terrible asset management. It’s cutting your losses. They obviously had high hopes for the player. The catastrophic knee injury last year sure didn’t help. There’s probably more to the story that will come leaking out.

You win some, you lose some at the draft table. Not long ago there was a study that the Rangers had one of the best 2nd-7th round draft records.

1st round not so much which is a problem

 

[cwede]

Thanks for doing these, makes keeping tabs easy.

Glad to share, i do them for me
If folks wanted i could share as text/tables, whichyou could copy locally and maintain, rather than the images i usually share