Rumor: 2022-2023 Free Agency and Trade Rumors: STILL searching for a 2C

[henchman21]

Okay but did they lead the avs to a finals berth and ultimately the cup?

Easily could argue Burkie's OT goal in game 1 was the most important in the series. Avs lose that game and the series is likely completely different with the Avs chasing instead of Tampa.

I don't know why it is so hard for some to simply awknowledge the Avs miss Burkie. Doesn't mean it was the wrong decision or that Lehky sucks... but some of the struggles this year are due to missing Burkie.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Flyers looking for upgrade at centre — The Fourth Period

The Flyers want to upgrade their centre position, but may need to be creative, reports TFP’s Anthony Di Marco.

www.thefourthperiod.com

This suggests they are looking to add a C, not deal one.

Let's hope they still consider Newhook a Center

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Flyers looking for upgrade at centre — The Fourth Period

The Flyers want to upgrade their centre position, but may need to be creative, reports TFP’s Anthony Di Marco.

www.thefourthperiod.com

This suggests they are looking to add a C, not deal one.

To be fair, Hayes has played almost exclusively on the wing beside Laughton over the last month or so, if not a few months.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Okay but did they lead the avs to a finals berth and ultimately the cup?

Yes?

Both of them did.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Avs need a 2C that can drive more than Burkie, absolutely. Avs miss Burkie’s ability to out kick his coverage on finishing. Avs were a team (mainly driven by the top 2 lines) that could finish at a higher than expected rate for 60ish% of the toi. That’s now down to 30ish% and then we wonder why they can’t score 5v5. It simply comes down to no finishing talent at all in the bottom 9, unless MacK and Mikko are split… which limits effectiveness (mainly for Mikko).

Definitely a downgrade in finishing talent for sure. Especially that pp2 is useless without burky's ability to gain the zone. A healthy nuke and a landeskog would have probably made the 2nd line usable even without burky.

Imo, It was a decision between Manson and burky. I think we valued Manson's abilities in the playoffs more than burky's ability to stay healthy and be productive in the reg season.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Let's hope they still consider Newhook a Center

The biggest hurdle with a hypothetical Newhook trade is that the Avs also still view him as a C long term.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Hmmmm.....

 

[henchman21]

Definitely a downgrade in finishing talent for sure. Especially that pp2 is useless without burky's ability to gain the zone. A healthy nuke and a landeskog would have probably made the 2nd line usable even without burky.

Imo, It was a decision between Manson and burky. I think we valued Manson's abilities in the playoffs more than burky's ability to stay healthy and be productive in the reg season.

I don't think Burkie was in the Avs' plans at all in the summer.

 

[Avsboy]

Hmmmm.....

I wouldn’t read too much into this. Meyers’ taxi is running late and Helm is still in pain

 

[Avaholic29]

Yes?

Both of them did.

Burky scored a goal to clinch finals berth for the avs? Interesting. Lol I don’t know why this thread turned into a burky thread but I’d argue the avs are missing landy, a healthy Nichushkin and many other players who have had to come in and out of the line up, more than they miss burky.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Pretty sure Jojo will never start a game for the Avs again.

Oh no !!

 

[Balthazar]

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You picked the wrong Simpsons meme to describe JoJo and the Avs

 

[Azrael89]

He who shall not be named has the Avs in on Bonino since Monahan is still out. Bonino is another player I put in the washed category, but whatever I guess.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Burky scored a goal to clinch finals berth for the avs? Interesting. Lol I don’t know why this thread turned into a burky thread but I’d argue the avs are missing landy, a healthy Nichushkin and many other players who have had to come in and out of the line up, more than they miss burky.

First off that’s not what you said. 2nd He clearly scored important goals en route to the cup win. Both played big parts in winning the cup. Obviously Lehky more so, but I’m not arguing against Lehky.

 

[thedoctor]

Value of: - Adam Henrique to Pittsburgh

What would be the cost to get Henrique in Pittsburgh? I imagine a potential deal would be based around Kapanen and futures for Henrique at Kapanen's salary ($3.2 million). Would a similar value package to what the Penguins paid for Rakell last year be a starting point?

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Interesting thread on Henrique's value.

 

[Balthazar]

Interesting thread on Henrique's value.

lol @ Henrique for 1st + Kapanen + some other prospect

 

[Pokecheque]

He who shall not be named has the Avs in on Bonino since Monahan is still out. Bonino is another player I put in the washed category, but whatever I guess.

Still very good defensively, really needs good linemates to do anything on offense. He'd definitely be the guy you'd get if you're aiming to solidify the 3C position, and you'd only do that if you can't find a proper upgrade at 2C.

 

[milehigh11]

If only Landeskog the captain just went ahead and had surgery after the season instead of waiting months and right before the season to have it

 

[The Merchant]

If only Landeskog the captain just went ahead and had surgery after the season instead of waiting months and right before the season to have it

I don't think there was any chance he was going to choose to rehab the same summer he's celebrating a championship. If you want to blame anyone blame the medical staff for not catching it sooner after a failed surgery.

 

[henchman21]

lol @ Henrique for 1st + Kapanen + some other prospect

The way I read that was 1st + Kapanen + garbage... so 1st + Kapanen. Which with retention, isn't super far off. That's basically Henrique at 50% for 1st and roster 3rd liner. Not sure why Anaheim wants a mid 20s 3rd liner set to be a UFA in 24, but that isn't tremendous value. I'd expect Henrique at 50% retention to be worth 1st + B prospect/young roster player without top 6 upside.

 

[Pokecheque]

If only Landeskog the captain just went ahead and had surgery after the season instead of waiting months and right before the season to have it

I'm sure no one was thinking the knee was so badly damaged it needed more surgery. Would've likely missed a ton of the regular season anyway.

What I CAN fault the front office for is just assuming Landeskog would be 100% next season and also not having a proper 2C in place. They basically lost a center-and-a-half and that's one of the things that's just killing the Avs right now.

 

[Avs_19]

The way I read that was 1st + Kapanen + garbage... so 1st + Kapanen. Which with retention, isn't super far off. That's basically Henrique at 50% for 1st and roster 3rd liner. Not sure why Anaheim wants a mid 20s 3rd liner set to be a UFA in 24, but that isn't tremendous value. I'd expect Henrique at 50% retention to be worth 1st + B prospect/young roster player without top 6 upside.

I don't think he's bringing back a first. Very different than someone like Hayes where he'll be worth it and teams getting retention for multiple years will be willing to pay for it. I think Henrique's second year should be a detriment in any trade conversations rather than a positive for the acquiring team.

 

[Nihiliste]

Easily could argue Burkie's OT goal in game 1 was the most important in the series. Avs lose that game and the series is likely completely different with the Avs chasing instead of Tampa.

I don't know why it is so hard for some to simply awknowledge the Avs miss Burkie. Doesn't mean it was the wrong decision or that Lehky sucks... but some of the struggles this year are due to missing Burkie.

Right. Last year we won with both, not Lehky alone. Not sure what the motivation is to make it a comparison rather than just acknowledge that we lost a good forward in Burakovsky.

 

[henchman21]

I don't think he's bringing back a first. Very different than someone like Hayes where he'll be worth it and teams getting retention for multiple years will be willing to pay for it. I think Henrique's second year should be a detriment in any trade conversations rather than a positive for the acquiring team.

He's a low end 2nd liner who is versatile. Put him under $3m and he's got excess value for a full season... and you're expecting >$3m in total retention. $3m is roughly worth a 2nd for a full year's retention. Henrique is roughly worth a 2nd + B prospect on his own. That's roughly the same as a 1st + B prospect in total.

If he doesn't bring back a first, Anaheim really doesn't have a reason to trade him. They can hold on to him until next deadline and sell him for a 1st.

 

[Avaholic29]

If only Landeskog the captain just went ahead and had surgery after the season instead of waiting months and right before the season to have it

Yeah screw that guy for laying his body on the line to win a cup. Shameless captain!!