2022-2023 CHL/NCAA/Euro Prospects Thread

[Schooner Guy]

I see Kapanen being our 4th line center once Evans contract ends in 2 years

I think Kapanen has the best chance at a long NHL career among other forwards we took in his draft such as Kidney and Roy.

He does all those little things that coaches love.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He was among the last cuts at Habs camp. He was among the last cuts at Canada WJC camp. And was the first one called up when Dach went down.

It's not his stats that did that for him.

He was the emergency recall because of the team schedule. It was not a merit thing, either way.

 

[BaseballCoach]

You need to stop relying on stats to form your opinion.

It is a fact that all players other than true elite superstars produce offence at very different rates depending on linemates, coaches, systems etc. Do you actually believe that Beck is a worse player in Peterborough than he was in Mississauga? He is exactly the same player but in a situation that is less conducive for offensive production, he hasn't suddenly lost talent. Just like Riley Kidney isn't suddenly a much better player after moving from the Titan to the Olympiques. This form of analysis is the antithesis of actual scouting. Both Kidney and Beck are exactly the same players that they were before the trades but the circumstances surrounding them have directly affected their relative scoring production.....there is nothing more to it than that. Just like Mesar may very well have exploded with a different group, we will not have an answer to that this season but that is how things work.

The importance that people on here put on daily stat watching with our prospects is silly. I understand the allure and I love seeing them do well and appreciate the highlight submissions from our fellow board members but it all means absolutely nothing without context and an analytical understanding of cause and effect.

Thanks for the many words. Beck is 9th in ppg on Peterborough. Two players on that team are at 1.22 and 1.40 ppg.6 others are better than Beck' 0.67 and up to 1.16.

But assuming circumstances do play a role, isn't it possible that the previous team environment favoured Beck such that despite no obvious and impressive offensive skills, he was putting up those numbers?

Does anyone know how many points Beck got in our preseason games?

 

[Wats]

There's no reason to go full 'de la Rose' on Beck. Let him produce offense in the OHL next season, hopefully be an important part of team Canada U20 and even be in the top 20 in scoring in OHL. Let the MSL/development magicians work on Slaf and let Beck hopefully work through the conventional way.

We will have at least Beck, Mesar, Guidon, and Rohrer in OHL. Would be nice to have 1-2 guys be among the top scorers in the league like Roy/Kidney. Not too unreasonable ask from fairly high picks.

 

[Adam Michaels]

He was the emergency recall because of the team schedule. It was not a merit thing, either way.

Keep believing that.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Keep believing that.

Habs said the decision was driven by the rules. Roy might have missed more than one game. Kidney as well.

There's no reason to go full 'de la Rose' on Beck. Let him produce offense in the OHL next season, hopefully be an important part of team Canada U20 and even be in the top 20 in scoring in OHL. Let the MSL/development magicians work on Slaf and let Beck hopefully work through the conventional way.

We will have at least Beck, Mesar, Guidon, and Rohrer in OHL. Would be nice to have 1-2 guys be among the top scorers in the league like Roy/Kidney. Not too unreasonable ask from fairly high picks.

De La Rose at 19 was an unbelievably fast skater. Also, leaving him in Europe meant not adjusting to the NA ice.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Habs said the decision was driven by the rules. Roy might have missed more than one game. Kidney as well.

I'm not taking about his call up to Habs. I was talking about him being called up to the WJC when Colton Dach went down.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'm not taking about his call up to Habs. I was talking about him being called up to the WJC when Colton Dach went down.

Yeah, he was last cut, so first callup, I get it.

Beck is a smart, safe player. I am just not convinced he will have NHL 3rd line offence in him this Fall at 19.

Right now, and this can change again, I project him as a strong 4th liner in the future, a 10th F.

 

[Wats]

Habs said the decision was driven by the rules. Roy might have missed more than one game. Kidney as well.


De La Rose at 19 was an unbelievably fast skater. Also, leaving him in Europe meant not adjusting to the NA ice.

He was but his offense and thinking with puck needed to develop. They thought incorrectly that being in NHL will somehow make that happen without it happening in lower league.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Thanks for the many words. Beck is 9th in ppg on Peterborough. Two players on that team are at 1.22 and 1.40 ppg.6 others are better than Beck' 0.67 and up to 1.16.

But assuming circumstances do play a role, isn't it possible that the previous team environment favoured Beck such that despite no obvious and impressive offensive skills, he was putting up those numbers?

Does anyone know how many points Beck got in our preseason games?

It is hard to say which scenario is the most accurate for sure but we do know that Beck is an outstanding skater with a very good shot and a high hockey IQ. The question with him is more about creativity and how dynamic are his puck handling skills are. There is no denying though that he wowed HuGo at camp despite not putting up points and TC was obviously impressed with him at their camp despite not putting up numbers.

Who is to say whether Huberdeau is closer to a 115 point player or a 50 + point player as he has demonstrated over two seasons with two different teams playing in two polar opposite systems. What we do know is that he is neither of the extremes but is far more productive in one system than he is the other system.

Stats lie....always if you take them at face value.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Engstrom is a very intriguing prospect.

 

[BaseballCoach]

It is hard to say which scenario is the most accurate for sure but we do know that Beck is an outstanding skater with a very good shot and a high hockey IQ. The question with him is more about creativity and how dynamic are his puck handling skills are. There is no denying though that he wowed HuGo at camp despite not putting up points and TC was obviously impressed with him at their camp despite not putting up numbers.

Who is to say whether Huberdeau is closer to a 115 point player or a 50 + point player as he has demonstrated over two seasons with two different teams playing in two polar opposite systems. What we do know is that he is neither of the extremes but is far more productive in one system than he is the other system.

Stats lie....always if you take them at face value.

So you're saying that Beck did not produce points at TCJ camp, did not produce points at Habs pre-season, does not produce points in Peterborough despite 8 teammates doing better than him, but DID produce for Mississagua for half a season, and is a very responsible player for his age.

Honestly, should that have been enough for me to say weeks ago that he could be our 3C next year? No, I should not have been saying that, and neither should others now that we know what we know.

He has a good shot, and he is a good (not outstanding by NHL standards) skater. But a good center has to have more creativity and vision. If Dvorak who was an over 100 point player twice in Junior is short some creativity and vision, imagine Beck's gap right now.

 

[JT3]

I don't see any reason in bringing Beck to the Habs next season. No, the Petes are no London Knights, but I don't think the solution to that is throwing him off the deep end into the NHL just to avoid sending him there. It's not THAT bad there. If he is a good enough prospect to play in the NHL in the next few years then you'd better be able to play good hockey in the OHL regardless of what kind of situation you're in.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

So you're saying that Beck did not produce points at TCJ camp, did not produce points at Habs pre-season, does not produce points in Peterborough despite 8 teammates doing better than him, but DID produce for Mississagua for half a season, and is a very responsible player for his age.

Honestly, should that have been enough for me to say weeks ago that he could be our 3C next year? No, I should not have been saying that, and neither should others now that we know what we know.

He has a good shot, and he is a good (not outstanding by NHL standards) skater. But a good center has to have more creativity and vision. If Dvorak who was an over 100 point player twice in Junior is short some creativity and vision, imagine Beck's gap right now.

He has great straight ahead speed, there is no reason to downplay it. Also why are you even using a tiny sample from TC camp and his NHL camp of proof that he is not productive????? And why are you putting more stock in his stats with the Pete's where he has played 50% fewer games than he did with the Steelheads where he was the top offensive producer on the team at the time of the trade? Never mind ignoring variables such a having to make a mid season adjustment to a different system and new linemates. Beck doesn't care about his numbers like other kids but he cares about winning and playing responsibly. Clearly he is playing a different role with his new team in an attempt to get to the Memorial Cup. Can you not concede that you are taking way too strong of a stance on something that you have very limited information on.

Just quoting stats and referencing highlights is entirely meaningless and devoid of any insightful analysis. I have seen Beck, Mesar Guindon and Mailloux live multiple times and I can confirm that you are digging in way too hard on the conclusions that you have arrived at with almost no actual scouting involved.

I can understand your need to ask questions or ask for input from more informed posters on Beck but to dig in and argue as though you know anything about Owen Beck other than superficial stats is a curious waste of time and resources imo.

 

[ngc_5128]

Is it possible that Beck is being asked to dominate at faceoffs and concentrate on being a defensive, shut down center? That would certainly be a good reason why his offence has dried up.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Is it possible that Beck is being asked to dominate at faceoffs and concentrate on being a defensive, shut down center? That would certainly be a good reason why his offence has dried up.

If you win faceoffs it should help the offence.

But besides, faceoff concentration was not the claim. The claim was that Peterborough kills scoring and has been doing that for 20 years. However, there are 8 players on Peterborough with more ppg than Beck, and two have 1.22 and 1.40 ppg.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He has great straight ahead speed, there is no reason to downplay it. Also why are you even using a tiny sample from TC camp and his NHL camp of proof that he is not productive????? And why are you putting more stock in his stats with the Pete's where he has played 50% fewer games than he did with the Steelheads where he was the top offensive producer on the team at the time of the trade? Never mind ignoring variables such a having to make a mid season adjustment to a different system and new linemates. Beck doesn't care about his numbers like other kids but he cares about winning and playing responsibly. Clearly he is playing a different role with his new team in an attempt to get to the Memorial Cup. Can you not concede that you are taking way too strong of a stance on something that you have very limited information on.

Just quoting stats and referencing highlights is entirely meaningless and devoid of any insightful analysis. I have seen Beck, Mesar Guindon and Mailloux live multiple times and I can confirm that you are digging in way too hard on the conclusions that you have arrived at with almost no actual scouting involved.

I can understand your need to ask questions or ask for input from more informed posters on Beck but to dig in and argue as though you know anything about Owen Beck other than superficial stats is a curious waste of time and resources imo.

Well, if I don't know enough to doubt Beck's offensive prowess, then I don't know enough to be sure of it either. I just think it is premature for me to assume Beck will be able to handle 3C in the NHL next year. Do you disagree?

 

[WeThreeKings]

If you win faceoffs it should help the offence.

But besides, faceoff concentration was not the claim. The claim was that Peterborough kills scoring and has been doing that for 20 years. However, there are 8 players on Peterborough with more ppg than Beck, and two have 1.22 and 1.40 ppg.

No the claim is Peterborough kills prospects and there's very little evidence to support it being an environment that churns out prospects.

So Beck looks amazing in training camp.
Looks amazing in Mississauga.
Looks great in minimum ice time in Team Canada.
Looks good at an emergency call up.
Bad in Peterborough.

So I'm supposed to ignore everything and everywhere he's been above average or better and panic that he's doing poorly in an organization notoriously Bad at development?

 

[Adam Michaels]

- Roy with an assist as Sherbrooke take a 1-0 lead.

- And guess who else has a point so far. OWEN BECK!! He has an assist as Petes take a 1-0 lead.

 

[Wateredgarden]

No the claim is Peterborough kills prospects and there's very little evidence to support it being an environment that churns out prospects.

So Beck looks amazing in training camp.
Looks amazing in Mississauga.
Looks great in minimum ice time in Team Canada.
Looks good at an emergency call up.
Bad in Peterborough.

So I'm supposed to ignore everything and everywhere he's been above average or better and panic that he's doing poorly in an organization notoriously Bad at development?

I agree with your analysis for training camp and Peterborough, but he didn't look amazing in Misissauga, he was pretty good, didn't look great with team Canada, just ok and was barely visible in the NHL wich is totally normal. His D+1 raises a lot of questions, but nothing to worry, yet, about.

 

[Adam Michaels]

- Roy scores his 36th. He has a goal and assist so far tonight.

- Kidney with an assist as Gatineau take a 4-2 lead.

- BECK scores his 21st to make it 4-2 for the Petes. He has a goal and assist so far tonight.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Mailloux scores his 23rd of the season. London is down 2-1 to Barrie in the 2nd.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

 

[Adam Michaels]

Roy with another assist as Sherbrooke take a 5-1 lead with a shorthanded goal. He has a goal and 2 assists.

His 80th point of the season.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Roy with a goal and 2 assists tonight.