2022-2023 CHL/NCAA/Euro Prospects Thread

[montreal]

 

[Adam Michaels]

Kapanen with an assist as KalPa go up 2-0.

 

[Jukurit]

Kapanen with an assist as KalPa go up 2-0.

Kapanen looking good against Tappara.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I see Kapanen being our 4th line center once Evans contract ends in 2 years

 

[montreal]

Dobes stopped 93 of 97 shots he faced in the best of 3 series. Michigan will be very tough to beat for a 3rd time in a couple weeks.

 

[bopeep]

Rogle lost 4-3 to Orebro as Adam Engstrom played on the first pairing, 22:19 TOI and finished a +2 with 3 SOG

 

[Jaynki]

I see Kapanen being our 4th line center once Evans contract ends in 2 years

I will go farther. With good reason, we all pencil Beck as our future 3C.

But is Kapanen our future 3C?

 

[BaseballCoach]

I see Kapanen being our 4th line center once Evans contract ends in 2 years

Most people here know my philosophy of roster building. I focus on a core of 10-11 strong players. Anyone else is complementary and often expendable.

For me, Jake Evans is in that non-essential category. He is still only 26. I'm glad to trade him and his two years of cost control for a nice return to a team that would value him in their bottom 6-9. I don't see a big downgrade from Evans to Belzile, for example.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I will go farther. With good reason, we all pencil Beck as our future 3C.

But is Kapanen our future 3C?

Four months ago, I was too sure that Beck was our 3C and maybe as early as this Fall.. Now I realize he is still not ready. Being 50th scorer in the OHL means there is still work to do to hone his offensive game to consider him in a pro 3rd line role.

4th line is another matter. At this time, I can see Beck as a 4th liner at age 20 or likely 21.

Kapanen OTOH is showing more right now, but he is one year older. I'm not sure he makes it as a 3C either, but there is a chance.

Ultimately I want my 3C to be a guy capable of playing 2C if there are injuries, basically the level Monahan was giving us for the first 25 games. I think my contender level 3C needs to be stronger than Dvorak offensively, and Beck's stats in Junior are worse than Dvorak's were by a lot. That is what opened my eyes a little.

We gotta take off the prospect blinders, me included.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Today are the final regular season games for Engstrom, Heineman & Dichow. All their games are at 1PM ET.

Meanwhile yesterday was the first round robin game of Dukla Trencin. They lost 2-1. No points for Tourigny, but he played almost 23 minutes. They're playing again today. They play at 11:30AM ET.

 

[JC Superstar]

Four months ago, I was too sure that Beck was our 3C and maybe as early as this Fall.. Now I realize he is still not ready. Being 50th scorer in the OHL means there is still work to do to hone his offensive game to consider him in a pro 3rd line role.

4th line is another matter. At this time, I can see Beck as a 4th liner at age 20 or likely 21.

Kapanen OTOH is showing more right now, but he is one year older. I'm not sure he makes it as a 3C either, but there is a chance.

Ultimately I want my 3C to be a guy capable of playing 2C if there are injuries, basically the level Monahan was giving us for the first 25 games. I think my contender level 3C needs to be stronger than Dvorak offensively, and Beck's stats in Junior are worse than Dvorak's were by a lot. That is what opened my eyes a little.

We gotta take off the prospect blinders, me included.

Why? I like to like our prospects.

As for Dvorak, he played on a loaded line; who's playing with Beck?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Four months ago, I was too sure that Beck was our 3C and maybe as early as this Fall.. Now I realize he is still not ready. Being 50th scorer in the OHL means there is still work to do to hone his offensive game to consider him in a pro 3rd line role.

4th line is another matter. At this time, I can see Beck as a 4th liner at age 20 or likely 21.

Kapanen OTOH is showing more right now, but he is one year older. I'm not sure he makes it as a 3C either, but there is a chance.

Ultimately I want my 3C to be a guy capable of playing 2C if there are injuries, basically the level Monahan was giving us for the first 25 games. I think my contender level 3C needs to be stronger than Dvorak offensively, and Beck's stats in Junior are worse than Dvorak's were by a lot. That is what opened my eyes a little.

We gotta take off the prospect blinders, me included.

It helps a lot that Dvorak played on a line with Marner and Domi one year, and Marner and Tkachuk the next year. Had Beck played with those types of players, he'd have put Dvorak to shame.

 

[BaseballCoach]

It helps a lot that Dvorak played on a line with Marner and Domi one year, and Marner and Tkachuk the next year. Had Beck played with those types of players, he'd have put Dvorak to shame.

Absolutely no proof of that.

Furthermore, in his final Junior year, Dvorak outpointed both Marner and Tkachuk (and Domi the previous year). He wasn't passively poaching. He finished 2nd in league scoring. The previous year, as an 18 year old, he finished 5th.

Again Beck is around 50th in OHL scoring this year. That's really not automatic NHL 3rd line level. I like the player, he is smart, but his offensive tools are not proven yet.

When a guy is top-5 in league scoring two straight years, how much better would a new guy have to be to "put him to shame"?

Let's be honest with ourselves and see what is happening here.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Absolutely no proof of that.

Furthermore, in his final Junior year, Dvorak outpointed both Marner and Tkachuk (and Domi the previous year). He wasn't passively poaching. He finished 2nd in league scoring. The previous year, as an 18 year old, he finished 5th.

Again Beck is around 50th in OHL scoring this year. That's really not automatic NHL 3rd line level. I like the player, he is smart, but his offensive tools are not proven yet.

When a guy is top-5 in league scoring two straight years, how much better would a new guy have to be to "put him to shame"?

Let's be honest with ourselves and see what is happening here.

Peterborough sucks and has been a graveyard for prospects since Jordan Staal and even he didn't become what was expected.

Beck has looked great everywhere except there. That's fact.

The Habs have a tough decision because they can't send Beck back there next year.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Absolutely no proof of that.

Furthermore, in his final Junior year, Dvorak outpointed both Marner and Tkachuk (and Domi the previous year). He wasn't passively poaching. He finished 2nd in league scoring. The previous year, as an 18 year old, he finished 5th.

Again Beck is around 50th in OHL scoring this year. That's really not automatic NHL 3rd line level. I like the player, he is smart, but his offensive tools are not proven yet.

When a guy is top-5 in league scoring two straight years, how much better would a new guy have to be to "put him to shame"?

Let's be honest with ourselves and see what is happening here.

Speaking of being honest here, how many of Beck's games did you watch this year? And I'm not talking about catching a game here and there.

Because your posts here are only based on stat watching. And that is not honest.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Peterborough sucks and has been a graveyard for prospects since Jordan Staal and even he didn't become what was expected.

Beck has looked great everywhere except there. That's fact.

The Habs have a tough decision because they can't send Beck back there next year.

Beck is not eligible for the AHL. He can't be played in the NHl if not ready, that is insane. He goes back to Peterborough next year and will either be their 1C as a 19 year old, or he will get traded because his value is good.

We are no longer in 2006. Jordan Staal is not relevant today.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Beck is not eligible for the AHL. He can't be played in the NHl if not ready, that is insane. He goes back to Peterborough next year and will either be their 1C as a 19 year old, or he will get traded because his value is good.

We are no longer in 2006. Jordan Staal is not relevant today.

Yes he's not, that's the point. Peterborough is a death sentence. Beck getting traded there is where his play dipped. He was good everywhere else.

We can't send him back there so they'll need to hold him back until Peterborough agrees to trade him somewhere else. He can't play there a full season and expect his development will go well. Peterborough like Kingston kills players.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Speaking of being honest here, how many of Beck's games did you watch this year? And I'm not talking about catching a game here and there.

Because your posts here are only based on stat watching. And that is not honest.

Stat watching, for sure. Highlight watching too. And stretches of games even with Mississauga where I did not see OHL impressive offensive skill.

If Beck were a lock for Habs 3rd line next year, he should have made TCJ this year.

More importantly, Beck is 9th in ppg with Peterborogh !!!! So prospects don't ALL dry up offensively there!! They have FIVE players at 1.0 ppg or more, and two at 1.22 and 1.40. Beck is at 0.67.

Yes, this is a stat. I'm sure he is not the 9th best player on the team. But his offensive projection as an NHL 3rd liner is in doubt and you have not yet convinced me otherwise.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Stat watching, for sure. Highlight watching too. And stretches of games even with Mississauga where I did not see OHL impressive offensive skill.

If Beck were a lock for Habs 3rd line next year, he should have made TCJ this year.

More importantly, Beck is 9th in ppg with Peterborogh since the trade!!!!!! So prospects don't ALL dry up offensively there!!

Yes, this was a stat. I'm sure he is not the 9th best player on the team. But his offensive projection as an NHL 3rd liner is in doubt and you have not yet convinced me otherwise.

He was among the last cuts at Habs camp. He was among the last cuts at Canada WJC camp. And was the first one called up when Dach went down.

It's not his stats that did that for him.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Four months ago, I was too sure that Beck was our 3C and maybe as early as this Fall.. Now I realize he is still not ready. Being 50th scorer in the OHL means there is still work to do to hone his offensive game to consider him in a pro 3rd line role.

4th line is another matter. At this time, I can see Beck as a 4th liner at age 20 or likely 21.

Kapanen OTOH is showing more right now, but he is one year older. I'm not sure he makes it as a 3C either, but there is a chance.

Ultimately I want my 3C to be a guy capable of playing 2C if there are injuries, basically the level Monahan was giving us for the first 25 games. I think my contender level 3C needs to be stronger than Dvorak offensively, and Beck's stats in Junior are worse than Dvorak's were by a lot. That is what opened my eyes a little.

We gotta take off the prospect blinders, me included.

You need to stop relying on stats to form your opinion.

It is a fact that all players other than true elite superstars produce offence at very different rates depending on linemates, coaches, systems etc. Do you actually believe that Beck is a worse player in Peterborough than he was in Mississauga? He is exactly the same player but in a situation that is less conducive for offensive production, he hasn't suddenly lost talent. Just like Riley Kidney isn't suddenly a much better player after moving from the Titan to the Olympiques. This form of analysis is the antithesis of actual scouting. Both Kidney and Beck are exactly the same players that they were before the trades but the circumstances surrounding them have directly affected their relative scoring production.....there is nothing more to it than that. Just like Mesar may very well have exploded with a different group, we will not have an answer to that this season but that is how things work.

The importance that people on here put on daily stat watching with our prospects is silly. I understand the allure and I love seeing them do well and appreciate the highlight submissions from our fellow board members but it all means absolutely nothing without context and an analytical understanding of cause and effect.

 

[Adam Michaels]

For the final game of the season, Engstrom is at 1RW. Big TDL acquisition Sund is at 2LD

Meanwhile, Heineman is at 1LW

Dichow is the back up.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

For the final game of the season, Engstrom is at 1RW. Big TDL acquisition Sund is at 2LD

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Meanwhile, Heineman is at 1LW

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Dichow is the back up.

1LD

 

[Adam Michaels]

1LD

I'm good, aren't I?

And Heineman is 1RW, not 1LW.

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Tourigny with an assist as Dukla Trencin are up 1-0 after 1 period in their second round robin playoff game.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'm good, aren't I?

And Heineman is 1RW, not 1LW.

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Tourigny with an assist as Dukla Trencin are up 1-0 after 1 period in their second round robin playoff game.

I wanted to bold Engstrom instead but I don't brain so good

 

[jfm133]

Kingston killed Jason Robertson so badly...

Yes he's not, that's the point. Peterborough is a death sentence. Beck getting traded there is where his play dipped. He was good everywhere else.

We can't send him back there so they'll need to hold him back until Peterborough agrees to trade him somewhere else. He can't play there a full season and expect his development will go well. Peterborough like Kingston kills players.