2022-2023 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Xerloris]

But you don’t know unless you try it. Are you assuming that they’ll stick with Buch at center if he produces at a 3rd line clip? I don’t think they’d do that

it took them 15 games to seperate Kyrou and ROR. I have no faith in their ability to make critical decisions anymore.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

it took them 15 games to seperate Kyrou and ROR. I have no faith in their ability to make critical decisions anymore.

I wanted them split up during the 1st period of the 1st game.

It was a wasted start to the season.

 

[Majorityof1]

Don’t understand why everyone is so opposed to trying buchy at center. We have organizational need, he has the apparent skills required, and we have plenty of games left this season to experiment. What are we afraid of?

He has pretty good chemistry with 18 and 25. Why not let that be our top line and build out the middle 6? Buch's defensive skill's will help offset Kyrou's weakness there, and make a fairly balanced line. I'm not opposed to trying it. I just think if he had it in him to be a C, someone, somewhere in his hockey career would have tired it out before now.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'm not opposed to it, I just don't think it'll be successful, and for all the talk, they don't really seem to commit to it by giving him 1 full game of it. If anything, it might make sense to use him sort of how Steen was, where he shares center defensive responsibilities with Thomas, and offensively, because of their skill, it's sort of positionless hockey.

 

[Reality Czech]

it took them 15 games to seperate Kyrou and ROR. I have no faith in their ability to make critical decisions anymore.

I think that's overly harsh. Even if they didn't click, hopefully Kyrou picked up a few good habits by playing with ROR or at least got to see how a real pro goes about his business. It was worth trying for awhile even if it didn't work out. Not everyone can play with Thomas all the time and it's not like Tarasenko was any better with ROR.

I'd put Vrana with Thomas instead of Schenn. See if the playmaker can get him scoring goals again. Vrana-Thomas-Buch and Saad/Kap-Schenn-Kyrou sound better to me than the practice lines they put up but guess we'll see what they do.

 

[Louie the Blue]

Don’t understand why everyone is so opposed to trying buchy at center. We have organizational need, he has the apparent skills required, and we have plenty of games left this season to experiment. What are we afraid of?

I'm fine with experimenting with him at C, but why not acquire another C in FA or trade this season who are better suited to play C than moving arguably your best two-way wing to C which would possibly decrease his offensive productivity over the course of the season?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

He has pretty good chemistry with 18 and 25. Why not let that be our top line and build out the middle 6? Buch's defensive skill's will help offset Kyrou's weakness there, and make a fairly balanced line. I'm not opposed to trying it. I just think if he had it in him to be a C, someone, somewhere in his hockey career would have tired it out before now.

Im not saying it’s likely, but that is thing about being bad. You can try things.

I'm fine with experimenting with him at C, but why not acquire another C in FA or trade this season who are better suited to play C than moving arguably your best two-way wing to C which would possibly decrease his offensive productivity over the course of the season?

You can’t acquire anyone till summer. Try this now. then in summer you know better what you need. Which most likely is a 2C still.

 

[Brockon]

Im not saying it’s likely, but that is thing about being bad. You can try things.


You can’t acquire anyone till summer. Try this now. then in summer you know better what you need. Which most likely is a 2C still.

That's actually a pretty common misconception. The trade deadline only affects players' eligibility for the playoffs, any player acquired post deadline cannot dress for the playoffs on their new team - teams can still trade until their heart's content.

I'm not saying anyone worthwhile is available now, but you could certainly make a trade with another non-playoff team for say a slightly used Dvorak (no interest, merely an available middle 6 C).

A hypothetical situation that could arise is Muzzin finds himself healthy before the playoffs and Toronto wants to activate him from the LTIR, they could make a trade to ship out cap so they could do so - any return for them wouldn't be eligible for the playoffs.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

That's actually a pretty common misconception. The trade deadline only affects players' eligibility for the playoffs, any player acquired post deadline cannot dress for the playoffs on their new team - teams can still trade until their heart's content.

I'm not saying anyone worthwhile is available now, but you could certainly make a trade with another non-playoff team for say a slightly used Dvorak (no interest, merely an available middle 6 C).

A hypothetical situation that could arise is Muzzin finds himself healthy before the playoffs and Toronto wants to activate him from the LTIR, they could make a trade to ship out cap so they could do so - any return for them wouldn't be eligible for the playoffs.

You can trade for a guy but then you can’t play him rest of season. So yes, we couid acquire Dvorak but he would have to sit out. which is why that type of move doesn’t happen.

 

[Brockon]

You can trade for a guy but then you can’t play him rest of season. So yes, we couid acquire Dvorak but he would have to sit out. which is why that type of move doesn’t happen.

That's not what I said. That's not how that works.

Any player acquired in post deadline trades is ineligible for the playoffs. They can play in regular season games - just not the playoffs.

Edit :

So if we acquired Dvorak, because we're all but guaranteed to miss the playoffs - it wouldn't matter, he'd be able to play all our games - if by some miracle we made the playoffs, Dvorak wouldn't be able to dress for the playoffs.

In the hypothetical I presented in my prior post about Muzzin, we'd likely ship out pick(s) for a TOR player so the Leafs would maximize their cap space gain - they wouldn't want a player back, because that player would only be able to play regular season games and not playoff games.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

That's not what I said. That's not how that works.

Any player acquired in post deadline trades is ineligible for the playoffs. They can play in regular season games - just not the playoffs.

Edit :

So if we acquired Dvorak, because we're all but guaranteed to miss the playoffs - it wouldn't matter, he'd be able to play all our games - if by some miracle we made the playoffs, Dvorak wouldn't be able to dress for the playoffs.

In the hypothetical I presented in my prior post about Muzzin, we'd likely ship out pick(s) for a TOR player so the Leafs would maximize their cap space gain - they wouldn't want a player back, because that player would only be able to play regular season games and not playoff games.

I know that’s not what you said. I’m saying you are wrong.

 

[Brockon]

I know that’s not what you said. I’m saying you are wrong.

I'm looking for something more official, but the following article states the exact opposite of what your Allan Walsh tweet does.

When Can NHL Teams Make Trades? - Hockey Answered

Trades are one of the best things about following the NHL. Trades are complex and have many rules around them. Specifically, what are the rules around when an NHL team can make a trade? When can NHL teams make trades? NHL teams can make trades every day of the year except for nine days in […]

hockeyanswered.com

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I'm looking for something more official, but the following article states the exact opposite of what your Allan Walsh tweet does.

When Can NHL Teams Make Trades? - Hockey Answered

Trades are one of the best things about following the NHL. Trades are complex and have many rules around them. Specifically, what are the rules around when an NHL team can make a trade? When can NHL teams make trades? NHL teams can make trades every day of the year except for nine days in […]

hockeyanswered.com

From what I understand, you can sign college FA after TDL and they can play in regular season games but not playoffs. We did this with Reinke, Colorado did it last year with Meyer. But if you trade for guy after TDL he can’t play at all. if you find official nhl rules stating otherwise I will acknowledge my error.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

From what I understand, you can sign college FA after TDL and they can play in regular season games but not playoffs. We did this with Reinke, Colorado did it last year with Meyer. But if you trade for guy after TDL he can’t play at all. if you find official nhl rules stating otherwise I will acknowledge my error.

A player traded after the deadline can not play.

I quoted the wrong person. My apologies

 

[Brockon]

From what I understand, you can sign college FA after TDL and they can play in regular season games but not playoffs. We did this with Reinke, Colorado did it last year with Meyer. But if you trade for guy after TDL he can’t play at all. if you find official nhl rules stating otherwise I will acknowledge my error.

Can't seem to find anything related to rules around trades, beyond signing extensions in either of the rules or CBA docs I've skimmed...

But, I found a sportsnet clip featuring Friedman and Brian Burke (94s long) dating back to Feb 26, 2020 stating that a player acquired post TDL is eligible for regular season games, just not the playoffs. Link below.

However, this could have been changed in the last CBA making us both right.



Edit: to include link and date of clip

EDIT2: I mean a player agent should know whether a post TDL transaction allows for players to play regular season games... But a former NHL GM definitely would know.

The only logical reason for both to be stating the opposite is for a change in the rules between Feb 26 2020 and March 22, 2022.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

A player traded after the deadline can not play.

I quoted the wrong person. My apologies

 

[Brockon]

Can't seem to find anything related to rules around trades, beyond signing extensions in either of the rules or CBA docs I've skimmed...

But, I found a sportsnet clip featuring Friedman and Brian Burke (94s long) dating back to Feb 26, 2020 stating that a player acquired post TDL is eligible for regular season games, just not the playoffs. Link below.

However, this could have been changed in the last CBA making us both right.



Edit: to include link and date of clip

EDIT2: I mean a player agent should know whether a post TDL transaction allows for players to play regular season games... But a former NHL GM definitely would know.

The only logical reason for both to be stating the opposite is for a change in the rules between Feb 26 2020 and March 22, 2022.

And to follow up with this...

A national post article citing Pierre Lebrun of the Athletic, explaining that non playoff teams teams can conduct trades post TDL from May 28, 2020.

Report: Non-playoff teams will be allowed to trade

When the NHL season resumes with a 24-team postseason, the seven teams left out of the playoffs apparently won’t be entirely left out of the action.

www.google.com

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

And to follow up with this...

A national post article citing Pierre Lebrun of the Athletic, explaining that non playoff teams teams can conduct trades post TDL from May 28, 2020.

Report: Non-playoff teams will be allowed to trade

When the NHL season resumes with a 24-team postseason, the seven teams left out of the playoffs apparently won’t be entirely left out of the action.

www.google.com

That was special rule for when league resumed in bubble post Covid.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

And to follow up with this...

A national post article citing Pierre Lebrun of the Athletic, explaining that non playoff teams teams can conduct trades post TDL from May 28, 2020.

Report: Non-playoff teams will be allowed to trade

When the NHL season resumes with a 24-team postseason, the seven teams left out of the playoffs apparently won’t be entirely left out of the action.

www.google.com

You can conduct trades. But any player traded after the deadline can not play for the rest of that season or playoffs. That was the biggest issue with Dad last season when they tried to trade him to the Ducks and he said no.

 

[Brockon]

You can conduct trades. But any player traded after the deadline can not play for the rest of that season or playoffs. That was the biggest issue with Dad last season when they tried to trade him to the Ducks and he said no.

The issue with the Dadonov trade last year wasn't the timing - it was the fact that Vegas traded him to a team on his No Trade list.

That was special rule for when league resumed in bubble post Covid.

That addresses the national post article which post dates the NHL covid shutdown.

The Burke clip from the sportsnet broadcast I shared earlier pre dates the shutdown by 2 weeks and states the same thing.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

The issue with the Dadonov trade last year wasn't the timing - it was the fact that Vegas traded him to a team on his No Trade list.

And then they were not allowed to trade him after he nixed it until the offseason because of the Trade rules.

NHL nixes trade, sends F Dadonov back to Vegas

The NHL on Wednesday canceled the trade that sent Evgenii Dadonov from the Golden Knights to the Anaheim Ducks because it violated his limited no-trade clause, and so the 33-year-old right wing will rejoin Vegas in its quest to secure a West playoff spot.

www.google.com

"Teams can make trades after the NHL trade deadline, but Dadonov would be ineligible to play for the rest of this season or postseason in 2021-22. He would still collect his salary."

 

[PocketNines]

These are the lines, that's why I don't really buy the talk of him playing center. If they were truly serious, they'd just put him there.

Sooner rather than later but not immediately rather than sooner

 

[PeoriaBlues309]

I honestly think the only reason they’re considering trying him at C is because Brown is absolutely terrible and they don’t really have any other options

 

[bleedblue1223]

I know part of it is because we are bad, but man we suck in empty-net situations. I'm not sure if some of this is just highly variable from season to season or can be put on the coaches for poor situational results, either way, it's just another part of the game that we suck in.

With an empty net, we've pulled the goalie 32 times, scored twice, and allowed 19 goals. It's the most allowed and worst success rate with how they calculate it. Calgary has only scored once in 24 instances, but only have given up 6 goals.

Against an empty net in 23 occurrences, we've scored 10 and allowed 6. It's the 7th worst success rate, and 4th most allowed.

Anyone know of a site that provides +/- for individual players that doesn't include empty net situations?

https://morehockeystats.com/teams/en

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

We've lost our ability (willingness?) to forecheck. You can see it at ES, and you can see it even when we have an EN. That's my observation, anyway. Without a strong forecheck we make zone exits far too easy for our opponents.

We need more players who are quicker and more willing to get dirty in the O-zone.