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Linkens Mastery

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We have been terrible this year and the Avs only have one more win? I know they are beat up, but still.
Avs and Minnesota have only 1 more win, and Preds have the same amount of wins. Stars have 4 more Jets have 6 more. Carolina (who is top 10 in the league) only has 1 more win than us. Our biggest issue is we haven't gotten any OTLs sprinkled into our Ls. We are 4 points out of 3rd in our Division. This year is friggin weird.
 
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Avs and Minnesota have only 1 more win, and Preds have the same amount of wins. Stars have 4 more Jets have 6 more. Carolina (who is top 10 in the league) only has 1 more win than us. Our biggest issue is we haven't gotten any OTLs sprinkled into our Ls. We are 4 points out of 3rd in our Division. This year is friggin weird.

This is parody that the NHL wanted. However, there is something wrong with this team. They don’t bounce back, Team doesn’t seem to fight for each other,

They don’t seem to be on the same page. I really think the contract situation turned ROR and Tarasenko off. They aren’t playing for the team, but playing for themselves.
 

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This is parody that the NHL wanted. However, there is something wrong with this team. They don’t bounce back, Team doesn’t seem to fight for each other,

They don’t seem to be on the same page. I really think the contract situation turned ROR and Tarasenko off. They aren’t playing for the team, but playing for themselves.
Oh 100% you have 4 good teams and 4 bad teams. Then you have the Central which is just very bad tbh.
 

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This is parody that the NHL wanted. However, there is something wrong with this team. They don’t bounce back, Team doesn’t seem to fight for each other,

They don’t seem to be on the same page. I really think the contract situation turned ROR and Tarasenko off. They aren’t playing for the team, but playing for themselves.
Not the word you were looking for in this context, but perhaps relevant all the same...
 

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Dom's model predicted it/he was off last year but correct the year before that. FWIW
No, he didn't predict this, and even he wouldn't say he did. This is from the most recent power ranking article that he's apart of. His model had the Blues around 92 points, and last season was around the same amount. Last year we had a +16 point differential compared to his model, so he's more wrong this year based on our point pace, he's just wrong in the opposite direction.

25. St. Louis Blues

Last Week: 20
Record: 12-15-0
Dom rank: 25
Sean rank: 24


Is their record for real? No.

You’re telling us that one of last season’s best teams — a club that managed 109 points and made it to the second round — is somehow on pace for just 73 points this season? No way, we’re not buying it. We’ve always been big Blues believers around Power Rankings HQ and this incredible collapse by St. Louis just boggles the mind. There’s no way a team this talented should be this bad. As it stands, the Blues’ odds of getting Connor Bedard are on par with their odds of making the playoffs. Who saw that coming? No one. Fake record. Just wait for the hot streak, it’s coming.
 
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No, he didn't predict this, and even he wouldn't say he did. This is from the most recent power ranking article that he's apart of. His model had the Blues around 92 points, and last season was around the same amount. Last year we had a +16 point differential compared to his model, so he's more wrong this year based on our point pace, he's just wrong in the opposite direction.

25. St. Louis Blues

Last Week: 20
Record: 12-15-0
Dom rank: 25
Sean rank: 24


Is their record for real? No.

You’re telling us that one of last season’s best teams — a club that managed 109 points and made it to the second round — is somehow on pace for just 73 points this season? No way, we’re not buying it. We’ve always been big Blues believers around Power Rankings HQ and this incredible collapse by St. Louis just boggles the mind. There’s no way a team this talented should be this bad. As it stands, the Blues’ odds of getting Connor Bedard are on par with their odds of making the playoffs. Who saw that coming? No one. Fake record. Just wait for the hot streak, it’s coming.
That entire thing is sarcasm.
 

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No, he didn't predict this, and even he wouldn't say he did. This is from the most recent power ranking article that he's apart of. His model had the Blues around 92 points, and last season was around the same amount. Last year we had a +16 point differential compared to his model, so he's more wrong this year based on our point pace, he's just wrong in the opposite direction.

25. St. Louis Blues

Last Week: 20
Record: 12-15-0
Dom rank: 25
Sean rank: 24


Is their record for real? No.

You’re telling us that one of last season’s best teams — a club that managed 109 points and made it to the second round — is somehow on pace for just 73 points this season? No way, we’re not buying it. We’ve always been big Blues believers around Power Rankings HQ and this incredible collapse by St. Louis just boggles the mind. There’s no way a team this talented should be this bad. As it stands, the Blues’ odds of getting Connor Bedard are on par with their odds of making the playoffs. Who saw that coming? No one. Fake record. Just wait for the hot streak, it’s coming.
We already had the hot streak. :help:
 

bleedblue1223

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That entire thing is sarcasm.
Yes, but I think the point is, even Dom would say his model got the Blues just as wrong as it did last season, just in the opposite direction. Sure, partial credit for not being as high on them as others, but I'm not really rewarding points for being just as wrong as last season. The Blues appear to just be a unicorn where you can't project them year to year accurately.

So, probably bad of me to cite that article, and maybe there's some quote of him in a tweet or a different article talking about his original projection compared to how the Blues have actually played, I'm just too lazy to find it.
 

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That entire thing is sarcasm.
I agree that they are being sarcastic, but their actual prediction wasn't nearly what we are experiencing right now. They don't think we're due to be an elite team, but I think they are expecting us to improve from where we are at currently. Here was the preseason ranking:


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It had as pegged as a team right on the playoff bubble with an overwhelmingly high chance to finish with 85+ points. We're currently on pace for 73 points, which puts us into that very small sliver of potential finishes. @bleedblue1223 is dead on that the model is missing us by about as much as it missed us last year (just in the opposite direction). Their prediction in 2021/22 was nearly identical:

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We finished almost all the way to the right in 2022 and we are currently almost all the way to the left right now. Dom absolutely didn't predict what we are currently seeing and the sarcasm is directed toward the Blues fans that spent the entire summer telling them that his model sucked for not pegging us as a 100+ point team.= rather than being directed at people who thought the team was a bubble team.
 
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The player card rankings are out, and they're hilarious. Not in a 'they're so flawed they're funny' sense, but in an 'OMG it's worse than we think!'. The 6 defensemen are labeled according to role, with the Blues having two top-pair guys (Parayko and Faulk) a top-4 (Leddy), two 'depth' guys in Mikkola & Krug and a 'press-box'er in Bortuzzo. All six are under-performing their contracts by a considerable margin. And the forwards aren't much better. LOL
 

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The player card rankings are out, and they're hilarious. Not in a 'they're so flawed they're funny' sense, but in an 'OMG it's worse than we think!'. The 6 defensemen are labeled according to role, with the Blues having two top-pair guys (Parayko and Faulk) a top-4 (Leddy), two 'depth' guys in Mikkola & Krug and a 'press-box'er in Bortuzzo. All six are under-performing their contracts by a considerable margin. And the forwards aren't much better. LOL
This is why I'm not really sure if a re-anything is going to matter much. The D core is locked in for a LONG time, they are the clear and obvious weak spot on this team, and we have absolutely no high ceiling D prospects projected to make an impact in the next half decade. Now all that could change in a TDL or draft, but man, I'm just not seeing it.

We have two guys who are pretty good (albeit with warts) on the right side, but both can leave you wanting for more at times and neither has proven to carry a partner the way a true #1/Elite guy can. We have a solid and serviceable Top-4 guy in Leddy, and a total dumpster fire in Krug. Clearly moving on from and upgrading Krug would be the most obvious path to getting back on track from a competitive perspective, but his contract is terrible. We're going to have to burn assets getting rid of him, then we're going to have to hope we find a ROR type trade for some other LHD, which is going to burn a ton more assets.

It's not an insurmountable problem, but the type of guy we need just doesn't come around very often, either in a draft or via trade. In-fact, if we really want to get anything out of the "new core," of Thomas/Kyrou/Buch/top 3 forward prospects, we're going to need to make a trade. Assuming we draft a superstar level defenseman this year, it's still going to take 3-4 years for them to come in and make the type of impact we will need to make it back into a Cup conversation. That's almost half of Thomas/Kyrou's current extension, and basically the end of Buch's contract.

TLDR - if we're serious about competing for a Cup after this year (in the near term), we need to make some serious changes on D, even if the cost hurts.
 

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I'm not sure it was ever realistic for us to actually land him, but missing out on Lindholm at the deadline last year hurts, especially seeing the success he's having this year. He's playing the most minutes for the #1 team in the league this year and the opportunity to acquire someone like that doesn't come around often.
 
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That's got to mean 80 Golf-holes Played (GP) right? Because we've only played a third of an NHL season; are we sure the NHL and PGA didn't have some sort of whacky mix-up?
Krug had played 25, Kyrou 27 and ROR 28 before last night

I'm not sure it was ever realistic for us to actually land him, but missing out on Lindholm at the deadline last year hurts, especially seeing the success he's having this year. He's playing the most minutes for the #1 team in the league this year and the opportunity to acquire someone like that doesn't come around often.
He wanted an NMC which eliminated the Blues. He got the NMC and is leading Boston. Bruins fans have no idea how badly that NMC is hurting them. We cleverly avoid them because we don't want the Blues to get bad. Papa is wise, you'll see.
 

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The Blues are going to play just good enough to remain in the WC hunt, which will force Army to keep all the UFA’s.
 

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The Blues are going to play just good enough to remain in the WC hunt, which will force Army to keep all the UFA’s.
I don't think so. Army has shown he is fine with selling if he doesn't think the team is in a position to make a significant impact in the playoffs. This season is starting to shape up like the 2017-2018 season did. That year, on paper we seemed like we should have been better but just never put it together and Army sold at the deadline even though we were squarely on the bubble.
 

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Krug had played 25, Kyrou 27 and ROR 28 before last night


He wanted an NMC which eliminated the Blues. He got the NMC and is leading Boston. Bruins fans have no idea how badly that NMC is hurting them. We cleverly avoid them because we don't want the Blues to get bad. Papa is wise, you'll see.
Was it reported anywhere that the NMC had anything to do with Lindholm's decision in relation to St. Louis? Haven't seen any, but it seems like there could be a lot reasons why he might not have had interest in signing here.

The Blues are going to play just good enough to remain in the WC hunt, which will force Army to keep all the UFA’s.
You're all over the place with your predictions, man :laugh:
 
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Was it reported anywhere that the NMC had anything to do with Lindholm's decision in relation to St. Louis? Haven't seen any, but it seems like there could be a lot reasons why he might not have had interest in signing here.


You're all over the place with your predictions, man :laugh:

3 points in 4 games will do that. They’re starting to play better.
 

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No, he didn't predict this, and even he wouldn't say he did. This is from the most recent power ranking article that he's apart of. His model had the Blues around 92 points, and last season was around the same amount. Last year we had a +16 point differential compared to his model, so he's more wrong this year based on our point pace, he's just wrong in the opposite direction.

25. St. Louis Blues

Last Week: 20
Record: 12-15-0
Dom rank: 25
Sean rank: 24


Is their record for real? No.

You’re telling us that one of last season’s best teams — a club that managed 109 points and made it to the second round — is somehow on pace for just 73 points this season? No way, we’re not buying it. We’ve always been big Blues believers around Power Rankings HQ and this incredible collapse by St. Louis just boggles the mind. There’s no way a team this talented should be this bad. As it stands, the Blues’ odds of getting Connor Bedard are on par with their odds of making the playoffs. Who saw that coming? No one. Fake record. Just wait for the hot streak, it’s coming.
This article was a bit of a schtick in that they were saying why you shouldn't believe any team's record. Then they got to the ducks at 32 and said why you should. It's was tounge in cheek.
 

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Was it reported anywhere that the NMC had anything to do with Lindholm's decision in relation to St. Louis? Haven't seen any, but it seems like there could be a lot reasons why he might not have had interest in signing here.
There could be a lot of reasons. We don't know them. We do know that he clearly wanted an NMC, and he got it and we don't give those because we don't want the team to become bad. So regardless if Lindholm ever had to think about additional reasons, he had an up front dealbreaker. You don't have to wait for hockey "journalists" to report the nose in front of one's face. It was reported he selected Boston because he wanted to extend with them because of the contract they put on the table.
 
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