2022-2023 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[PocketNines]

You're right. That is the Canucks reverse retro. Skating Lumberjack. Not sure when that logo was used.
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Basically, a literal Canuck. "I am my own mascot"

 

[Linkens Mastery]

By process of elimination I conclude the guy in the dead center of that image is wearing a retro Canucks jersey but I have no idea what that is. Nice of Colorado to honor the Devils and nice of Minnesota to honor the Stars.

Its also the logo for the Canucks AHL team

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Stars lost. Calgary and Carolina both trailing. If these hold, we would be only remaining unbeaten in entire league by end of night.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Stars lost. Calgary and Carolina both trailing. If these hold, we would be only remaining unbeaten in entire league by end of night.

Could the Blues be in "last place" and the only unbeaten left at the same time? I hope so!

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

We are last remaining unbeaten team.

 

[Xerloris]

I like what I have seen of the new retro jerseys. Hopefully the entire uniform looks awesome.

 

[Meatball]

Thought we might dust off the 93-94 look, but this is great!

 

[Brockon]

Could the Blues be in "last place" and the only unbeaten left at the same time? I hope so!

The basement needs to pick up the slack...

We've got 7 teams with 3 or less points below us, including the Canucks, who are the last team in the league without a win with their dazzling 0-3-2 record right now.

Tonight marks the first game they haven't blown a 2 goal lead this season. After Boudreau's magical run last season to nearly make the playoffs after taking over a bottom dweller, the fans are already calling for his head - the savior that ran them a 32-15-10 record, 0.649 point percentage after taking over from Green's 8-15-2 record, 0.36 point percentage.

 

[Celtic Note]

Here they all are:

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Personally I’m not crazy about the Blues one, but it’s not horrible. Need to see it with helmets/gloves/socks to really tell.

The wild and jets are very nice IMO.

I think they collectively look a ton better than the first round of reverse retros.

 

[Drubilly]

I think they did a nice job with the Blues jersey. REALLY like the Kings jersey a lot! Honorable mention: FL

Also, it appears the NJ/CO jersey colors are a nod to the KC Scouts…

alsoer, shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yam shimmy yay

 

[bleedblue1223]

And not to put cold water on the excitement about Binnington's play, I'm much more curious on if he's able to sustain it through December/January/February. He's always been pretty good at the start of a season, but it's the middle of the season when his struggles begin. If he can figure that part out, then we are good to go.

 

[PocketNines]

I think they did a nice job with the Blues jersey. REALLY like the Kings jersey a lot! Honorable mention: FL

Also, it appears the NJ/CO jersey colors are a nod to the KC Scouts…

alsoer, shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yam shimmy yay

That old Kings crown with the purple and gold is by far the best the Kings ever looked. I get it, they wanted some separation from the Lakers. But Simmer Dionne and Taylor in those things is up there with Lafleur and Carbonneau in those late 70s Canadiens kits for me.

 

[Drubilly]

That old Kings crown with the purple and gold is by far the best the Kings ever looked. I get it, they wanted some separation from the Lakers. But Simmer Dionne and Taylor in those things is up there with Lafleur and Carbonneau in those late 70s Canadiens kits for me.

I think ALL of the 60s expansion jerseys were great. Those colors must of been so bright to the fans at the time.
I'd love the Sharks jersey as well if it didn't have umm "Sharks" on it. haha

 

[Brian39]

And not to put cold water on the excitement about Binnington's play, I'm much more curious on if he's able to sustain it through December/January/February. He's always been pretty good at the start of a season, but it's the middle of the season when his struggles begin. If he can figure that part out, then we are good to go.

My opinion is that this isn't a 'he struggles in the middle of a season' thing as much as it is 'he struggles when he is overworked' thing. We keep treating him like a top tier workhorse goalie early in the season. We did the same thing with Allen and it had similar results.

Binner started 75% of our games in October/November of 2019 (21 of 28 games).

The 2020/21 shortened season is a tough one to judge, but he started 16 of our first 23 games (69.5%) before thee wheels started to fall off.

Last year he started 16 of our 22 games in October/November before he got COVID. That's 72.7% of the starts.

Even though he only played 37 games last year, he still has the 7th most regular season starts of all NHL goalies since starting his 1st game in January of 2019. He was 3rd in starts from that January date until he got COVID in early December last year.

It's really, really hard to be a consistent workhorse goalie in today's NHL. Vasilevski can do it. So can Hellebuyck (although both of them saw their numbers noticeably dip last year after being a workhorse for several years in a row). Markstrom has done it several years although his year-to-year predictability is a bit spotty. Saros did it for the first time last year and then got injured a week before playoffs. Demko did it for the first time last year and was great in the playoffs (but a softish March/April did take him out of the Vezina race). Both of them are off to terrible starts this year.

I don't want to see if Binner can do it for a full season. I want to see the Blues abandon the notion that he can be a workhorse and stop playing him like one (especially in October and November). He'll be at 17 starts entering December if we simply play Greiss during B2B situations. We shouldn't do that. Get Greiss into an extra 2-4 games so that Binner gets some extra rest. Get Greiss into the game either against Montreal on 10/29 or against LA on 10/31. Play him 11/10 vs San Jose and play him 11/23 at Buffalo the day before Thanksgiving (keeping in mind we go B2B on the Friday/Saturday before Thanksgiving). That's still plenty of work to keep Binner in a groove, but it takes 180 minutes of wear off of him.

I think playing Binner in 14 of the first 22 games sets him up for a successful December a hell of a lot better than having him at 16 or 17 of 22 games. That's still a 52 start pace. That should be the target. Only 15 guys played 52+ games last year and the Vezina winner played exactly 52. If Greiss sucks and is throwing away points, then you ratchet up Binner's workload mid-season to compensate. But it shouldn't be plan A.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Faulk is tied for first for Points Per Game as a defenseman. Time for him to win the Norris!

 

[bleedblue1223]

My opinion is that this isn't a 'he struggles in the middle of a season' thing as much as it is 'he struggles when he is overworked' thing. We keep treating him like a top tier workhorse goalie early in the season. We did the same thing with Allen and it had similar results.

Binner started 75% of our games in October/November of 2019 (21 of 28 games).

The 2020/21 shortened season is a tough one to judge, but he started 16 of our first 23 games (69.5%) before thee wheels started to fall off.

Last year he started 16 of our 22 games in October/November before he got COVID. That's 72.7% of the starts.

Even though he only played 37 games last year, he still has the 7th most regular season starts of all NHL goalies since starting his 1st game in January of 2019. He was 3rd in starts from that January date until he got COVID in early December last year.

It's really, really hard to be a consistent workhorse goalie in today's NHL. Vasilevski can do it. So can Hellebuyck (although both of them saw their numbers noticeably dip last year after being a workhorse for several years in a row). Markstrom has done it several years although his year-to-year predictability is a bit spotty. Saros did it for the first time last year and then got injured a week before playoffs. Demko did it for the first time last year and was great in the playoffs (but a softish March/April did take him out of the Vezina race). Both of them are off to terrible starts this year.

I don't want to see if Binner can do it for a full season. I want to see the Blues abandon the notion that he can be a workhorse and stop playing him like one (especially in October and November). He'll be at 17 starts entering December if we simply play Greiss during B2B situations. We shouldn't do that. Get Greiss into an extra 2-4 games so that Binner gets some extra rest. Get Greiss into the game either against Montreal on 10/29 or against LA on 10/31. Play him 11/10 vs San Jose and play him 11/23 at Buffalo the day before Thanksgiving (keeping in mind we go B2B on the Friday/Saturday before Thanksgiving). That's still plenty of work to keep Binner in a groove, but it takes 180 minutes of wear off of him.

I think playing Binner in 14 of the first 22 games sets him up for a successful December a hell of a lot better than having him at 16 or 17 of 22 games. That's still a 52 start pace. That should be the target. Only 15 guys played 52+ games last year and the Vezina winner played exactly 52. If Greiss sucks and is throwing away points, then you ratchet up Binner's workload mid-season to compensate. But it shouldn't be plan A.

Yeah, it's a combo of a workhorse issue, and some mental aspect for him. He's proven multiple times that he can bounce back, so from a physical standpoint, it's good that he isn't actually declining, and mentally, he's strong enough to bounce back and not just completely fall apart and be terrible forever.

 

[STL fan in MN]

My opinion is that this isn't a 'he struggles in the middle of a season' thing as much as it is 'he struggles when he is overworked' thing. We keep treating him like a top tier workhorse goalie early in the season. We did the same thing with Allen and it had similar results.

Binner started 75% of our games in October/November of 2019 (21 of 28 games).

The 2020/21 shortened season is a tough one to judge, but he started 16 of our first 23 games (69.5%) before thee wheels started to fall off.

Last year he started 16 of our 22 games in October/November before he got COVID. That's 72.7% of the starts.

Even though he only played 37 games last year, he still has the 7th most regular season starts of all NHL goalies since starting his 1st game in January of 2019. He was 3rd in starts from that January date until he got COVID in early December last year.

It's really, really hard to be a consistent workhorse goalie in today's NHL. Vasilevski can do it. So can Hellebuyck (although both of them saw their numbers noticeably dip last year after being a workhorse for several years in a row). Markstrom has done it several years although his year-to-year predictability is a bit spotty. Saros did it for the first time last year and then got injured a week before playoffs. Demko did it for the first time last year and was great in the playoffs (but a softish March/April did take him out of the Vezina race). Both of them are off to terrible starts this year.

I don't want to see if Binner can do it for a full season. I want to see the Blues abandon the notion that he can be a workhorse and stop playing him like one (especially in October and November). He'll be at 17 starts entering December if we simply play Greiss during B2B situations. We shouldn't do that. Get Greiss into an extra 2-4 games so that Binner gets some extra rest. Get Greiss into the game either against Montreal on 10/29 or against LA on 10/31. Play him 11/10 vs San Jose and play him 11/23 at Buffalo the day before Thanksgiving (keeping in mind we go B2B on the Friday/Saturday before Thanksgiving). That's still plenty of work to keep Binner in a groove, but it takes 180 minutes of wear off of him.

I think playing Binner in 14 of the first 22 games sets him up for a successful December a hell of a lot better than having him at 16 or 17 of 22 games. That's still a 52 start pace. That should be the target. Only 15 guys played 52+ games last year and the Vezina winner played exactly 52. If Greiss sucks and is throwing away points, then you ratchet up Binner's workload mid-season to compensate. But it shouldn't be plan A.

100% agree with this.

Well, except for the play Greiss against the Sharks on 11/10 part. But that’s purely for selfish reasons. I just bought tickets to that game, which will be the first game I attend in person since Game 6 of the 2019 Cup Final, and I want to watch Binny play.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I heard there isn't a game tonight......again.

 

[PJJJP]

Is Naturalstattrick a good place to look for the analytical aspects of the game and to try to understand them? For example on the site it shows the blues lost the expected goal by 52%-48% but by 5v5 SVA it shows us winning by a 53%-47% margin. This is getting really confusing for me

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I think ALL of the 60s expansion jerseys were great. Those colors must of been so bright to the fans at the time.
I'd love the Sharks jersey as well if it didn't have umm "Sharks" on it. haha

put Seals on that jersey and I'd buy one! altho a baby blue road one would be even better!

 

[Majorityof1]

Is Naturalstattrick a good place to look for the analytical aspects of the game and to try to understand them? For example on the site it shows the blues lost the expected goal by 52%-48% but by 5v5 SVA it shows us winning by a 53%-47% margin. This is getting really confusing for me

I like Natural stat trick. it is a good tool with a bunch of info that is generally easy to find. You just have to figure out which stats you care about and which to ignore as it can almost present too much info.

SVA or Score and venue adjusted alters the stats to try to compensate for home ice-advantage and who is in the lead. Teams in the lead generally shoot less as they focus more on defense. So a Corsi event for the home team that is trailing may only be worth 0.95 CF in SVA, wheras a shot by the other team would be 1.05 CA. Since we were the away team and we were in the lead most of the game, our shooting stats got boosted upwards and theirs down. Hence the flip.

I don't really like SVA. I think there is some value in adjusting for the lead if its a big lead, but we shouldn't get bonus points for turtling with a 1 goal lead. I also am not sure home ice gives that big of an advantage. And if it does, it should wash out over the season. So I see no need to adjust for it.

 

[rumrokh]

Is Naturalstattrick a good place to look for the analytical aspects of the game and to try to understand them? For example on the site it shows the blues lost the expected goal by 52%-48% but by 5v5 SVA it shows us winning by a 53%-47% margin. This is getting really confusing for me

No matter where you look, keep in mind that all the stats we have are still only weakly predictive. To the point at which the stats in any one game (or even a stretch of several games) rarely mean that much.

 

[Klank Loves You]

Advanced stats should always been looked at using a big sample size. They can point to things, but i dont think they should trump the eye test.

 

[rumrokh]

Advanced stats should always been looked at using a big sample size. They can point to things, but i dont think they should trump the eye test.

I think people get too wrapped up in one VERSUS the other, when you should use them together. This site is a great example of perpetual bad eye-reads as they are happening, because that also requires analysis/opinion rather than just raw observation.

But people like to wash their hands of the discussion by saying (in so many words), "the predictive power here is the best we have, therefore it's conclusive/all I'll pay attention to." But that obviously sucks when the best we have is still not outstanding.

 

[BlueMed]

Advanced stats should always been looked at using a big sample size. They can point to things, but i dont think they should trump the eye test.

Statistics are used as supportive data. They never by themselves tell the entire story. A proper analysis requires utilization of statistics within a contextual framework, which is only provided by a holistic understanding of the game, the players, the team, and the league as a whole. Those like Dom who justify the usage of statistics alone by objectivity are not acknowledging how limited their models are at capturing immeasurable variables and whether their variables are even valid measurements to begin with.