Toggle sidebar

2022-2023 Around The League

Status
Not open for further replies.
Pokecheque said:
His father, Duke, passed away in May from cancer and also suffered from Parkinson’s, dementia, and a traumatic brain injury (sheesh, poor guy). It very deeply affected Brock and he broke down during a presser when asked about his father’s health not long before Duke died.

So on Hockey Fights Cancer night in Vancouver, a night when he’d be wearing a lavender warmup jersey with his father’s name on it, the Canucks were going to make him a healthy scratch. The only thing that prevented that was Dakota Joshua getting injured right beforehand and was unable to go. Even NHL Network, who tend to avoid any sort of criticism of team conduct, called them out on it.

It’s just crazy how, no matter who’s in charge of the Canucks, stupid, easily-avoided shit like this keeps happening. The dysfunction in that franchise is rampant and points at the problem being at the very top.
Click to expand...
Wow I did not know the background to this jeez that’s a bad look for the Canucks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: expatriatedtexan
Pokecheque said:
His father, Duke, passed away in May from cancer and also suffered from Parkinson’s, dementia, and a traumatic brain injury (sheesh, poor guy). It very deeply affected Brock and he broke down during a presser when asked about his father’s health not long before Duke died.

So on Hockey Fights Cancer night in Vancouver, a night when he’d be wearing a lavender warmup jersey with his father’s name on it, the Canucks were going to make him a healthy scratch. The only thing that prevented that was Dakota Joshua getting injured right beforehand and was unable to go. Even NHL Network, who tend to avoid any sort of criticism of team conduct, called them out on it.

It’s just crazy how, no matter who’s in charge of the Canucks, stupid, easily-avoided shit like this keeps happening. The dysfunction in that franchise is rampant and points at the problem being at the very top.
Click to expand...
Actual insanity
 
  • Like
Reactions: expatriatedtexan and Pokecheque
Boeser and the Canucks staff (even before BB) have never gotten along. Boeser has always been a bit of a problematic character where ever he is. Doesn't excuse that situation though.
 
Metallo said:
And when you build around a goalie and defensive systems all the time.
Click to expand...

Here's the thing though--Bergevin didn't even really "build" in those intervening years. He just kinda coasted, did nothing when he lost Markov, didn't even bother utilizing the cap space afforded him. It was only after he finally convinced Molson to boot Subban did he finally took an aggressive approach.
 
Pokecheque said:
Here's the thing though--Bergevin didn't even really "build" in those intervening years. He just kinda coasted, did nothing when he lost Markov, didn't even bother utilizing the cap space afforded him. It was only after he finally convinced Molson to boot Subban did he finally took an aggressive approach.
Click to expand...
Maybe for Bergevin "build" isn't the right word but the Habs always game plan around their goalie.
 
Metallo said:
Maybe for Bergevin "build" isn't the right word but the Habs always game plan around their goalie.
Click to expand...
Yeah but even by that measure they did a horrid job. And I've never understood the notion of "building from the goalie out," which usually means assembling the most boring team imaginable. If I were an NHL GM and I was handed an elite, franchise netminder to start, I'd be going out of my way to be as run-and-gun as possible. Like, c'mon, you got a built-in safety valve, why not go and get as much firepower as you can? Mike Gillis recognized that upon arrival in Vancouver, whereas his predecessor Dave Nonis wanted a team that tried to grind the opposition into submission.

Even the Devils in their trap-happy heyday understood you need elite offensive talent.
 
Pokecheque said:
Yeah but even by that measure they did a horrid job. And I've never understood the notion of "building from the goalie out," which usually means assembling the most boring team imaginable. If I were an NHL GM and I was handed an elite, franchise netminder to start, I'd be going out of my way to be as run-and-gun as possible. Like, c'mon, you got a built-in safety valve, why not go and get as much firepower as you can? Mike Gillis recognized that upon arrival in Vancouver, whereas his predecessor Dave Nonis wanted a team that tried to grind the opposition into submission.

Even the Devils in their trap-happy heyday understood you need elite offensive talent.
Click to expand...
Fully agree, Habs gonna Habs.
 
Pokecheque said:
Here's the thing though--Bergevin didn't even really "build" in those intervening years. He just kinda coasted, did nothing when he lost Markov, didn't even bother utilizing the cap space afforded him. It was only after he finally convinced Molson to boot Subban did he finally took an aggressive approach.
Click to expand...
To be fair up until the last season he openly said that he wanted to build through the entry draft. The thing is, Molson didn't let him tank so he had to try to make the playoffs every year while "building". Also they got unlucky with their high draft picks (Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi).
 
Balthazar said:
To be fair up until the last season he openly said that he wanted to build through the entry draft. The thing is, Molson didn't let him tank so he had to try to make the playoffs every year while "building". Also they got unlucky with their high draft picks (Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi).
Click to expand...
I wouldn't say they got unlucky as much as Trevor Timmins just became really bad at his job. Galchenyuk was a pretty highly-touted prospect at the time, I'll concede that, but Kotkaniemi was a reach. Not the first time centers get overvalued in a draft, they're the quarterbacks of hockey. Timmins IIRC had some big misses (Fisher) but for the most part was able to get some good talent out of most levels of the draft. Don't know if it was a refusal to integrate analytics or Bergevin's influence or what, but he lost his way.

Whether it was a refusal to tank and stockpile picks or something else, it just reeked of indecision. I don't think Bergevin had any idea of what kind of team he truly wanted. Even the culmination of his supposed "vision," the team that fluked their way to the Final, looked like a total slapdash job.
 
Pokecheque said:
I wouldn't say they got unlucky as much as Trevor Timmins just became really bad at his job. Galchenyuk was a pretty highly-touted prospect at the time, I'll concede that, but Kotkaniemi was a reach. Not the first time centers get overvalued in a draft, they're the quarterbacks of hockey. Timmins IIRC had some big misses (Fisher) but for the most part was able to get some good talent out of most levels of the draft. Don't know if it was a refusal to integrate analytics or Bergevin's influence or what, but he lost his way.

Whether it was a refusal to tank and stockpile picks or something else, it just reeked of indecision. I don't think Bergevin had any idea of what kind of team he truly wanted. Even the culmination of his supposed "vision," the team that fluked their way to the Final, looked like a total slapdash job.
Click to expand...
Vision, that's the big thing for a good GM, an architect type. Bergevin was a dealer, fairly decent at that, but the deals in insolation didn't build toward something. He probably can still be a good AGM that fetches deal opportunities for a GM with a plan and the final say.

Bill Peckerskull said:


It's like he's already an Av
Click to expand...

Don't wake the crowd that always beats the drum that we should always have 3 NHL caliber goalies.:facepalm:
 
henchman24 said:
He is putting on a clinic tonight… His best shift was just him dominating down low that didn’t end up in a goal.

Here was the full shift on the first goal

Click to expand...

The setup for the goal was great but the rest of his shit was nothing that spectacular. You can see a shift like that pretty often in the NHL.

I don't want to take anything away from him because he IS a great player I'd love to have on the Avs.
 
AllAboutAvs said:
The setup for the goal was great but the rest of his shit was nothing that spectacular. You can see a shift like that pretty often in the NHL.

I don't want to take anything away from him because he IS a great player I'd love to have on the Avs.
Click to expand...
You don’t see very many shifts where one player has the puck for ~25 seconds, with 4 different touches and he ends up going through multiple defenders to setup a goal on a cross ice pass. We see it from time to time here, but not often. That’ll be a top 5 shift for the month… top 10-15 for the year. And it wasn’t his best from tonight.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom