2022-2023 Around The League

[Pokecheque]

Jost seemed smart enough and humble enough to know he wasn't going to make it as an offensive player. He has some of the things you'd look for in a bottom 6 type.

Hard working, willing to take a hit for the team, seems to be well liked by players and management.

What went wrong? Some combination of not quite good enough skating and not quite good enough hockey smarts?

You really want energy from your fourth liners, guys who go in there and crash and bang and create chaos. Jost just can't do that. That's why Nicolas Aube-Kubel isn't nearly as good a player as Tyson Jost in terms of skill, defensive ability, and hockey smarts, but is a much more effective NHLer regardless.

The problem with Jost is that you can't just throw a guy like that into the lineup. There's too much you have to do around him in order to make him work. The only time he even came close to being an impactful player was when he was playing center with a red-hot Nuke on one side and goddamned Planck-temperature Joonas Donskoi on the other, and keep in mind that was also the year the Avs had a cush schedule that was like half the normal games because of COVID. Not surprising at all that his game promptly fell apart the very next season when things went back to normal.

But also, I think his confidence pretty much shattered last season. Something tells me he knows now that there's no "corner" to turn. This is as good as he's ever going to be in the NHL, and it's not nearly good enough. And now the fresh start in Minny has run aground. If I were him, I'd consider moving to Europe, bunk up with Barberio in beautiful Switzerland, live the good life, and score lots of goals. He's pretty much a tweener in North America from here on out.

 

[The Moops]

The only time he even came close to being an impactful player was when he was playing center with a red-hot Nuke on one side and goddamned Planck-temperature Joonas Donskoi on the other, and keep in mind that was also the year the Avs had a cush schedule that was like half the normal games because of COVID

Really telling at how bad Newhook has been. Even Jost could benefit from playing next to Nuke

 

[The Kingslayer]

Everytime I see Toronto lose in OT, I see Marner totally floating. A couple strides might help, no?

That one was on Tavares. Served up a delicious pizza to Hughes

 

[The Merchant]

This will solve our center depth problem

Won the trade

 

[Metallo]

You really want energy from your fourth liners, guys who go in there and crash and bang and create chaos. Jost just can't do that. That's why Nicolas Aube-Kubel isn't nearly as good a player as Tyson Jost in terms of skill, defensive ability, and hockey smarts, but is a much more effective NHLer regardless.

The problem with Jost is that you can't just throw a guy like that into the lineup. There's too much you have to do around him in order to make him work. The only time he even came close to being an impactful player was when he was playing center with a red-hot Nuke on one side and goddamned Planck-temperature Joonas Donskoi on the other, and keep in mind that was also the year the Avs had a cush schedule that was like half the normal games because of COVID. Not surprising at all that his game promptly fell apart the very next season when things went back to normal.

But also, I think his confidence pretty much shattered last season. Something tells me he knows now that there's no "corner" to turn. This is as good as he's ever going to be in the NHL, and it's not nearly good enough. And now the fresh start in Minny has run aground. If I were him, I'd consider moving to Europe, bunk up with Barberio in beautiful Switzerland, live the good life, and score lots of goals. He's pretty much a tweener in North America from here on out.

Are you a physicist?

If Jost was making 1M$ I would grab him and I'm not a fan of Jost.

 

[UncleRisto]

Lol imagine we took him back. How would that feel being on a team both years but not getting the Cup.

Sell him at the deadline and repeat out of spite.

 

[Pokecheque]

Are you a physicist?

If Jost was making 1M$ I would grab him and I'm not a fan of Jost.

I wouldn't. Much as I really can't stand Megna in that 4C spot, Jost at this point isn't much of an upgrade.

 

[the_fan]

Is there even a single G on that team? The smallest defensemen is Marino at 6'1" 180. All of the other guys are 6'2"+ 200+. The team as a whole average 6'2" 200lbs (ever so slightly bigger than the Avs). They don't dish a ton of hits (partially because they have the puck so much), but neither do the Avs. New Jersey is 17-18 a game. Avs have been 16-22 over the past few years. They have guys Bastain, McLeod, Wood, Smith, and Bahl who are all pretty gritty. Palat, Tatar, Haula, and Hamilton have all gone on deep playoff runs and performed well.

The reaches people are going to discount the Devils is kinda weird to me. They look exactly like the Hawks right as their runs started. Amazing young nucleus of talent, good defensemen still in their prime, good coaching, adding some good vets around the core... but very questionable goaltending.


Hischier is 6'1" 180. D isn't heavy hitters, but big and willing to play physical. Hamilton is a #1.

Maybe they

Is there even a single G on that team? The smallest defensemen is Marino at 6'1" 180. All of the other guys are 6'2"+ 200+. The team as a whole average 6'2" 200lbs (ever so slightly bigger than the Avs). They don't dish a ton of hits (partially because they have the puck so much), but neither do the Avs. New Jersey is 17-18 a game. Avs have been 16-22 over the past few years. They have guys Bastain, McLeod, Wood, Smith, and Bahl who are all pretty gritty. Palat, Tatar, Haula, and Hamilton have all gone on deep playoff runs and performed well.

The reaches people are going to discount the Devils is kinda weird to me. They look exactly like the Hawks right as their runs started. Amazing young nucleus of talent, good defensemen still in their prime, good coaching, adding some good vets around the core... but very questionable goaltending.


Hischier is 6'1" 180. D isn't heavy hitters, but big and willing to play physical. Hamilton is a #1.

Even if they're not small in size, when I watch them, I don't see a lot of physicality, I do see a lot of skill, but if they try to win games in the playoffs with just skill and no physicality, they're not gonna go far. We saw the Avs go through 4 rounds and how physical and grinding it was. Avs have enough size and grinders even if they aren't the biggest team.

Also those hit stats are misleading. You can slightly finish your check, it will register as a hit. Can the Devils handle the playoff grind and physicality, that's the question. If someone crashes Hughes like Blues did to Girard, can Hughes take a hit like that and survive?

 

[wayninja]

I wouldn't. Much as I really can't stand Megna in that 4C spot, Jost at this point isn't much of an upgrade.

Over Megna? Yeah, he is.

 

[Ceremony]

As infuriating as he was to watch I do feel sorry for Jost. I think about what I'd be like if I was traded off the soon to be cup-winning Avalanche then put on waivers by the Wild six months later. I genuinely don't think I'd survive.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

McFarland submitting his waiver claim:

 

[the_fan]

Even if Jost was making league minimum, wouldn't want him back as a player. He's a nice guy and all, but Avs can spend that 2 mill on someone else

 

[Hennessy]

It would just seem cruel to pick Jost up, especially if he winds up traded or on waivers again (which he almost certainly would be). Could even affect the room, seeing that go down.

 

[Balthazar]

So Gru was on LTIR (didn't even know) that must be why Seattle is a top 5 team in the west!

 

[Pokecheque]

Over Megna? Yeah, he is.

Not enough of one to remotely justify taking on a fourth liner making $2 million. Avs don’t need to be helping Minny out of self-imposed cap hell.

 

[dahrougem2]

Gru is going to have a tough time taking that net back from Martin f***ing Jones lol.

 

[wayninja]

Not enough of one to remotely justify taking on a fourth liner making $2 million. Avs don’t need to be helping Minny out of self-imposed cap hell.

Well, that's a bit of a different question, and I don't necessarily disagree. But all things being equal, Jost is miles preferable to Megna.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Not enough of one to remotely justify taking on a fourth liner making $2 million. Avs don’t need to be helping Minny out of self-imposed cap hell.

Well, not unless it's helping them find a landing spot for JEE when he asks for a trade during the Christmas break.

 

[Pokecheque]

Well, that's a bit of a different question, and I don't necessarily disagree. But all things being equal, Jost is miles preferable to Megna.

Miles? I wouldn't go that far. But yes, preferable. That said, there are better, cheaper options.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Jost sucks and the Avs should not be interested

 

[EscapedGoat]

With the tax rates and way NHL players tend to spend their money... he should be set for life, but I'd say it is doubtful he is. He's probably in the mid to high 3s (prior to this season), and after escrow, his agent, and taxes... that's likely mid maybe even low 1s. Add in a lake house, 5-10k a month penthouse, cars (or likely truck in his case), entourage, puck bunnies, nutritionist, 5k a night Vegas trips, etc. I'd be shocked if he's even close to a million and probably closer to 3-400k range right now. Don't get me wrong, great start for a kid in his 20s and he's likely to have take home this year around a million (probably 25% already spent).

Is there a percentage that players are told will probably end up being their take-home, actual money?

When Jost signed his 2 million per year contract (I think that's what it was) did he have agents/business advisors telling him it sounds like a lot but he'll be lucky to see, what, 35-40 percent of that? Is it kind of common knowledge between players what the range is that players actually get to see?

 

[Pokecheque]

So Gru was on LTIR (didn't even know) that must be why Seattle is a top 5 team in the west!

I can't quite believe the Kraken are somehow getting good goaltending out of Martin Jones. He was pretty much the league's worst netminder the last 3-4 years or so.

I'm also stunned the Burky/Hak relationship not only didn't go off the rails, but he's thriving (for now). 15 points in 17 games.

In completely unrelated news, Brock Boeser hadn't scored a single, solitary goal until he potted two tonight!?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Even if Jost fit what we wanted from a 4th liner to a T, which I argue he does not, he still carries a 2M cap hit. That just makes absolutely no sense when we know we still have to add a 2C at some point.

While Jost might technically be better than Blidh/Menga, I would argue Sampo Ranta is better than him. Either way, it doesn't really matter if he's technically better than one of these guys, the 4th line with or without him is getting hemmed in and running a sub 40xGF%. He wouldn't be able to change that unless Nuke got healthy and put in Bednar's doghouse.

 

[RECKLESS]

That one was on Tavares. Served up a delicious pizza to Hughes

It was, sure, but the reaction should not be lay down and die. Everytime lol.

 

[Gumballhead]

Even if Jost fit what we wanted from a 4th liner to a T, which I argue he does not, he still carries a 2M cap hit. That just makes absolutely no sense when we know we still have to add a 2C at some point.

While Jost might technically be better than Blidh/Menga, I would argue Sampo Ranta is better than him. Either way, it doesn't really matter if he's technically better than one of these guys, the 4th line with or without him is getting hemmed in and running a sub 40xGF%. He wouldn't be able to change that unless Nuke got healthy and put in Bednar's doghouse.

I'd be perfectly fine with taking him back, but that contract is going to make it hard for him to find a favorable landing spot at this point. My guess is Arizona. I wonder if he clears waivers if he'll end up in Iowa, or if he'd even report there. If he refuses a minor league assignment does anything change with his contract?