2022-2023 Around The League
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UncleRisto
Not Great, Bob!
- Jan 18, 2016
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In other news, Patrik Laine is officially the new Alexei Kovalev. A guy with enough talent to be one of the all-time greats, but isn't ever able to put it together consistently. But unlike Kovalev he's about as durable as Derrick Rose.
Probably bounce around the league as a luxury piece but I don't think he can be a guy you build around.
Probably bounce around the league as a luxury piece but I don't think he can be a guy you build around.
Employment contracts in Canada are pretty easy to lawyer up and get a settlement if a person gets fired. I've seen that first hand many times, and frankly, it feels like their employment lawyers are just like ambulance chasing lawyers here in the US. I'd bet she has good reasons and their is some merit to it, but simply a lawyer challenging a termination to get a settlement is pretty common in my experience. Nothing at all like the US where you have to overcome a lot of hurdles to get anywhere.
Right, I'm not saying she didn't do anything wrong (no one knows exactly what she did, if anything) but I was responding to Garçon Tortue automatically assuming she was fired with cause. Even if she did supposedly leak information, we know nothing of the context.
Yup and we likely won't (these things almost always get settled). The only thing we know is how bitter and angry she has been at the organization since her termination... which is a pretty natural thing when you get fired. I'd argue you shouldn't do it publicly as it can hurt future job opportunities (even if not in hockey). I know I'd hesitate on hiring somebody who has done that, it adds to organizational risk. But to each their own.
dahrougem2
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He was a PPG player last season though?
Durability issues no debate to be had there. Seems like he's always getting hurt. But I think he's absolutely a player you can build around. Far from the problem in Columbus. In fact IMO he's part of the solution.
Laine is full of talent, but he's soft, uncoachable, lazy, and plays too risky. I totally see why people would want to build around him and how he could be a franchise talent... I personally wouldn't risk my building of a core on him.
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dahrougem2
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When I watch Columbus games he looks like one of the only guys who gives a f*** right now. Though in the past he's absolutely earned that lazy label.
I agree with all that. Given how outspoken she is, it's probably best she not seek employment with an NHL team. I don't know how toxic the culture is in Vancouver (but boy is sure seems pretty bad right now) but most any NHL team does not want someone like that. She's better off doing podcasts and working independently.
Well, a team (was it Carolina? In fact I'm pretty sure that was Rutherford) threw money and term at him and almost immediately regretted it.
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Lazy and whiny too. Wouldn't put on an effort then would publicly complain about his PP time and who his center was.
The Kingslayer
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Thats exactly who Laine reminds me of. Amazing release from both men. Semin might actually have the best pure wrist shot I have ever seen but his flaws along with Laine are also the same. Pure talent but lazy af.
Nah, he's definitely part of the problem, and I don't even mean that as a personal slight to him. If Lumbus tries building around him they're going to regret it. Too inconsistent, too one-dimensional, too brittle.
And yes, he was literally a PPG last year with 56 points, but of course he only played 56 games. That's the problem. 56 points is not elite franchise player production.
Lumbus is clearly gonna try to build around Gaudreau, Wilson, Sillinger, Werenski (speaking of brittle, but they need to hold onto him), Chinakov, Merzlikins, and whoever the hell they get out of the draft in 2023. That's not a bad core to build around at all.
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The real question is does he fight like Semin?
dahrougem2
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JoeSakic13
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Haha as someone who’s met Nail, this doesn’t shock me. However it’s just baffling how many people this guy pissed off.
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What's bad is the age gap between those players. Whoever they'll get at the next draft (likely a top 3 pick) will not be in his prime at the same time as Gaudreau who's already 29. Chinakhov is probably not a core player (low end one at best) and Elvis isn't the franchise goalie that some people thought he'd become.
I used to like him but now it's pretty clear that Jarmo did a terrible job at building this team. Always aiming at squeezing into the playoffs is a very bad strategy.
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I think Semin has the best wrist shot in the history of the sport personally. Obviously his flaws held him back from what was probably a HOF level talent. But man when he was on… hoo boy.
The Kingslayer
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I dunno. I met Nail at Cactus Club. Couldnt be nicer/funny. Maybe I caught him on a good day but of all the NHL'ers i've met he was surprisingly up there in terms of being down to earth. One guy who was an absolute jerk was Kelly Buchberger lol.
dahrougem2
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Yak always made time for the fans in Edmonton in person. He was good people that way.
He just had no clue how to play in the NHL or get along with teammates.
expatriatedtexan
Illegitimati non carborundum
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I still think he's done pretty well considering he inherited an absolute mess created by not just one but TWO completely incompetent GMs, and a onetime dedicated and patient fanbase finally had it. Then he enters the season knowing full well his franchise winger will only accept a trade to one team and his starting goalie is also out the door. What was he supposed to do? Just go out there and tell the fans "Hey guys, we're blowing it up! Again!" Naw. I don't blame him one bit for going for it, and it delivered what stands as their biggest triumph, the four-game sweep of the Bolts. Who cares if it was for naught--they beat the best regular season team that year in four games, a team that went on to win the next two Stanley Cups. If you're a Lumbus fan, you take that over the mediocre returns you would've gotten from dealing away those two players.
I can relate being a Nuggets fan. Some might argue the best-ever franchise moment was the run to the WCF in the English/Lever years, but I'd argue the best moment was in 1994 when Ellis and Mutombo led them to that huge upset of the Supersonics. Knowing full well in hindsight that they'd enter a period of supreme darkness for the next decade or so, would I have traded in that moment in favor of a more patient rebuild? F*ck NO I wouldn't.
Mind you I don't think Jarmo has been perfect. He's made mistakes and he stuck with Torts one year too long. Certainly can't blame him for the Gaudreau signing since even they didn't know he was interested until he picked up the phone. We'll see how he does but I think for the most part he's building around a very solid core. Hopefully he gets the elite franchise talent they so desperately need AND whoever it is wants to stick around long-term.
He will have absolutely ZERO room for error when he picks his next coach, that is for certain.
tl;dr: Jarmo has done the best he could with what he had.
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