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Just learned on NHL Radio the Devils have the best shot differential in the league (best in shots for, best in fewest shots given up) and yet they don't have a stellar record because they can't get a goddamned save.

I predicted Lindy would be the first coach fired, but at this point? My money's on Boudreau, deserved or not. I believe Dallas Eakins won't be far behind him.
 
Pokecheque said:
Dallas Eakins won't be far behind him.
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Why? Team is still in rebuild mode, it's pointless. It's dangerous to change coach when you are rebuilding (unless you simply don't give him a damn chance to do anything like they did with poor Tourigny in AZ).
 
Balthazar said:
This isn't something just to get rid of BB. That locker room is broken.

Frank Seravalli was joined by former player and current Chicago Blackhawks TV analyst Colby Cohen, and the first story that they brought up on their league-wide show was the Canucks’ start.

“I’ve heard there’s a lot of friction in that dressing room between some of the star players and then the rest of the team,” said Cohen. “It’s real cliquey in that dressing room. The way that they’re promoting players, particularly on their social media channels, and just everything that I hear coming out of that dressing room, it seems really dysfunctional at the moment.”


This is nothing new, this happened last year with the previous coach:

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"They're good friends": Green denies Horvat-Miller divide in Canucks room | Offside

Bo Horvat and J.T. Miller are "good friends," according to Travis Green, who found recent rumours about the Canucks to be laughable.
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It runs down from Aquilini.

Pokecheque said:
Just learned on NHL Radio the Devils have the best shot differential in the league (best in shots for, best in fewest shots given up) and yet they don't have a stellar record because they can't get a goddamned save.

I predicted Lindy would be the first coach fired, but at this point? My money's on Boudreau, deserved or not. I believe Dallas Eakins won't be far behind him.
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Also helps keep your shots against down not making the opposition go through the trouble of putting in a rebound.
 
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Balthazar said:
Yea but like I said, the exact same thing happened with Green. The room was already broken and of course BB wasn't the guy to fix it.

IMO the Canucks have made their choice with Miller which means that they will move on from Horvart.

Now considering our hole at 2C and the fact that we tried to get him before, I say our chance of getting Horvat must be damn close to 50% by now.
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I wouldn't say it necessarily means they move on from Horvat. Ownership has a way of doing weird things up there. I will say though, Horvat's pity party this year is absurd. Dude is playing as soft of hockey as you can imagine and his defense is downright terrible. You can make a pretty decent case that he's never been that good defensively or that physical... but at least he did something. This year he looks like Sam Gagner.
 
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Just learned on NHL Radio the Devils have the best shot differential in the league (best in shots for, best in fewest shots given up) and yet they don't have a stellar record because they can't get a goddamned save.

I predicted Lindy would be the first coach fired, but at this point? My money's on Boudreau, deserved or not. I believe Dallas Eakins won't be far behind him.
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Go further than that... they've only given up 101 scoring chances and 29 high danger 5v5... while more than doubling those for. They've been absurdly good everywhere on the ice except in net. Over time, even the group they have won't be this bad... I think they make the playoffs. Especially if they can tweak the goaltending.
 
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Balthazar said:
Why? Team is still in rebuild mode, it's pointless. It's dangerous to change coach when you are rebuilding (unless you simply don't give him a damn chance to do anything like they did with poor Tourigny in AZ).
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You'd do it to give an internal guy a run first.... which they have that guy in Craig Johnson.
 
Balthazar said:
Why? Team is still in rebuild mode, it's pointless. It's dangerous to change coach when you are rebuilding (unless you simply don't give him a damn chance to do anything like they did with poor Tourigny in AZ).
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I think they expected themselves to be bad, but they're looking like the worst team in hockey right now.

Yes...worse than the Canucks.

I don't think a team that spent a decent amount of money in Strome and Klingberg (yes I know, they'll likely flip Klingberg at the deadline) is really wanting to tank THAT bad. We all know it's going to happen at some point, question is, when? And mind you, I like Eakins, it just hasn't worked out for him at the NHL level yet. It'd be nice if some team out there could actually give him a roster that doesn't suck.

It's interesting they went to the trouble of hiring Joel Bouchard away from the Habs only to shitcan him a year later. Wonder what happened behind the scenes there.
 
henchman24 said:
I wouldn't say it necessarily means they move on from Horvat. Ownership has a way of doing weird things up there. I will say though, Horvat's pity party this year is absurd. Dude is playing as soft of hockey as you can imagine and his defense is downright terrible. You can make a pretty decent case that he's never been that good defensively or that physical... but at least he did something. This year he looks like Sam Gagner.
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How much of that is just Horvat being upset because they re-upped Miller?

Besides, Horvat has good offensive stats this year (4G 2A in 7 games).
 
Balthazar said:
How much of that is just Horvat being upset because they re-upped Miller?

Besides, Horvat has good offensive stats this year (4G 2A in 7 games).
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Not like I know you that well but I'm a little surprised you of all people aren't saying something to the effect of "This guy pouting over a teammate he doesn't like being kept long-term is wearing the C?"

And that's an absurdly small sample size. I don't expect his Shot % to remain at 20.
 
Balthazar said:
How much of that is just Horvat being upset because they re-upped Miller?

Besides, Horvat has good offensive stats this year (4G 2A in 7 games).
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Only speculation, but I'd say a decent amount. Dude looks like he's barely trying. All because Miller is hard on him (and everyone)...

Stats can be deceiving at times. Horvat has been one of the worst players for Vancouver so far. He looks like Sam Gagner circa 2010. Low effort, soft, stupid, but has some numbers.
 
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Not like I know you that well but I'm a little surprised you of all people aren't saying something to the effect of "This guy pouting over a teammate he doesn't like being kept long-term is wearing the C?".
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No one is talking about EP but he too took a nosedive and appears unhappy ever since Miller took over that locker room.

Bob Hartley said it best last week on the radio (I will translate from French) : "you don't bring a porcupine in a balloon party".
 
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No one is talking about EP but he too took a nosedive and appears unhappy ever since Miller took over that locker room.

Bob Hartley said it best last week on the radio (I will translate from French) : "don't bring a porcupine in a balloon party".
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Really? He was clearly unhappy under Green, if anything Boudreau got him back on track. He had a horrible start and bounced back down the stretch.

And he's scored 3-4-7 in 7 games so far, so why is it Horvat is scoring so well and EP "took a nosedive?"

And Bob Hartley of all people said that!!!??? :laugh: That dude was a porcupine with rabies!
 
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Balthazar said:
No one is talking about EP but he too took a nosedive and appears unhappy ever since Miller took over that locker room.

Bob Hartley said it best last week on the radio (I will translate from French) : "you don't bring a porcupine in a balloon party".
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Horvat has lost the support of the team and is captain in name only. I've heard Petey is more on the Miller side... only young guy really on the Horvat side is Boeser.

Now saying that, Miller's take over has fueled this whole thing. Miller has basically taken over the captain role for (well) over half the team and Horvat hasn't been a strong enough leader to stem it. All the young guys coming up look to Miller as the guy... just go read about how Pods talked about Miller. Who is right or who is wrong is going to be a big gradation of gray all over the place. I lean towards Miller being in the wrong, but from his perspective... he's seen a leadership vacuum and he's trying to step up and fill it. It is a mess that is only compounded by the losing.

IMO the Canucks could really use a guy they fired... Torts. He'd probably completely destroy that room, but he'd be cutting out the cancer where the next coach would be able to pick up the pieces with who survived.
 
I always thought Horvat was a lousy choice for captain, never understood that one. If I had to pick a guy in that room to wear it I'd probably pick Boeser or Hughes. Probably Boeser.

This would only be the second-most stupid decision the Canucks have made in regards to the captaincy. The worst was when they tried to thumb their nose at the league and name Roberto Luongo (speaking of "captain in name only") the C. It was nothing more than a PR sham that became a huge distraction, and the Canucks eventually came to their senses and put a proper C on Henrik Sedin.

Ain't no way the Canucks would ever go back to the Torts well, even if he were available. Not everything that happened under his watch was a disaster, but it was bad enough.

Sometimes that organization just blows my mind. You can't even blame Aquilini for all of it, a fair bit of the idiocy and bad luck predates him.
 
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I always thought Horvat was a lousy choice for captain, never understood that one. If I had to pick a guy in that room to wear it I'd probably pick Boeser or Hughes. Probably Boeser.

This would only be the second-most stupid decision the Canucks have made in regards to the captaincy. The worst was when they tried to thumb their nose at the league and name Roberto Luongo (speaking of "captain in name only") the C. It was nothing more than a PR sham that became a huge distraction, and the Canucks eventually came to their senses and put a proper C on Henrik Sedin.

Ain't no way the Canucks would ever go back to the Torts well, even if he were available. Not everything that happened under his watch was a disaster, but it was bad enough.

Sometimes that organization just blows my mind. You can't even blame Aquilini for all of it, a fair bit of the idiocy and bad luck predates him.
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I know they'd never go back to Torts, but he's the type of guy who could gut things and get it on the path.

I understand why they chose Horvat... young core player who you want to be the leader of the team for the long term. But they were really forcing it in hindsight. They didn't want to commit to him or have a short-term captain, but Tanev was likely the right guy. Then you could have let the picture become more clear of who the real leader of the team was.

If they were choosing today, it would be Miller for better or for worse. Only other option would really be Petey who has taken a step forward in that area. But, IMO, both would be the wrong choice. Podkolzin should be their next captain. He needs another year or two to get there, but the kid is Russian Landeskog. Natural leader with the right mentality. Just needs to get more comfortable in NA.
 
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I had to watch the Blue Jackets vs Coyotes highlights to figure out how tf Arizona scored 6 goals on 19 shots. Holy crap did Columbus look bad on all of those goals.

4 were ones the goalie should have had, 1 was a cross crease where Ghost was left so wide open I thought it was a PP, and 1 was a missed EN opportunity that the Arizona player was able to casually grab the dumped puck for an easy goal.

I don’t think the cannon firing should be Gaudreau’s biggest concern in Columbus.
 
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