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Plus minus aside, it's well known that Karlsson is not good defensively. I don't know why you guys arguing with me.
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Or maybe he’s so good with the puck that it matters a lot less how he plays without it.
I’m willing to bet (and by no means am I advocating a trade here) if you swapped Makar and Karlsson that complaints about Cale’s defense would skyrocket and you wouldn’t notice EK65’s mistakes nearly as much.
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If Avs had Karlsson instead of Makar last year, they don't win the cup. McDavid alone would abuse Karlsson. Karlsson can put up points and he's an elite offensive talent, but being able to defend as a d-man is being underestimated here. Being a d-man is not only about putting up points. Actually being a d-man is defense first, offense second
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Because 1) he‘s fine defensively and 2) you’re using as outdated of stat as possible to prove you’re point.
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Peak Karlsson was better than anything we’ve seen from Makar to date. Don’t @ me
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How? Makar has outscored Karlsson's best offensive season. Makar has scored more goals than Karlsson, and again, Makar is much better defensively than Karlsson ever was
This is a much different era offensively than peak Karlsson had.
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Again, Karlsson is an elite offensive talent, and even if Makar may have not put up same offensive numbers back in those days, he'd still be much better defensively than Karlsson. No one is denying that Karlsson is elite offensively, it's no secret that he's a liability on defense and often makes mistakes that leads to goals against, something you don't see Makar do very often
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Karlsson’s best season was in a lower scoring era on a much much worse team. He also led that team to within one goal of the SCF losing narrowly to the champs. He single handily dragged a fringe playoff team there.
Defensively I’ll give you that but neither of these guys will be remembered for defensive play.
This… but Karlsson is super underrated defensively. If you’re into +/-… it’d be worth diving into the huge disparity for the sharks 5v5 with and without Karlsson on the ice. He dramatically changes thing.
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I don't know about that. I've heard plenty of praises given to Makar for his defense as well as his offense. The job he did in the playoffs against McDavid and just his overall performance on both sides of the ice. A lot of hockey reporters label Makar as elite defensively, something you don't hear about Karlsson.
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I think you’re seeing this year that as the Avs become a less dominant possession team and he spends more time in his own zone he gets exploited similarly.
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I've still got time for Puljujarvi. Can't pick him up on waivers because of his salary but maybe in the offseason. He'll thrive with the Avs. Thrive!
I'll keep believing that until proven otherwise and the only way to prove otherwise is to actually see him on the Avs. Get all the Fins and they'll take off.
I'll keep believing that until proven otherwise and the only way to prove otherwise is to actually see him on the Avs. Get all the Fins and they'll take off.
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Ya know, those are the best-looking ASG jerseys I've seen in a good long while.
Those are real? f***ung hell those are God awful. What's with this shitty trend of everything being bright pastel like colors? Is everyone just a big ass baby now? I yern for the days of yore when jerseys had deep dark colors. Not this bullshit teal and pink eyesore.
One GM flat-out admits to tanking:
The GMs have heard of Bedard. So have their teams' owners. And a few of them have designed their rosters to maximize their chances of drafting Bedard, to put it kindly.
"Management and ownership are the ones who care about that. The coaches and the players don't. They want to win every single night," one GM said with a chuckle. "They don't care about a draft pick. They really don't. So they actually make it really hard on the management. But I love it. That's the beauty of our sport."
Not surprising you completely missed the point there. This has NOTHING to do with whether or not the Avs win the Cup or not with Karlsson instead of Makar, I'm saying you'd be bitching about Makar's plus/minus if he were in San Jose and think the world of Karlsson in Colorado.
Oh, and while he might be better defensively than EK65, Makar is not as good in that department as you think he is. He is in the perfect system and coach for what he is with plenty of support that allows him to freelance without getting burned regularly. He lost some of that support this season due to injury and what not and it definitely exposed some flaws in his defensive game.
And "actually being a d-man is defense first, offense second" is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read, it wouldn't apply to Makar, it most certainly wouldn't apply to Sandis Ozolinsh, and it wouldn't apply to a lot of top defensemen in the league, like Roman Josi. Those guys are not there to be defensive stoppers. They are there to catalyze the offense, defense is secondary to players like that.
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Also all the nonsense how Karlsson single handedly almost carried a bad Ottawa team to finals makes zero sense. He's having his best offensive production season, how come he can't carry the Sharks to even close to playoffs? Not even saying make the playoffs, get close to it. I guess Karlsson is not a magician like people think
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To me they look absolutely horrendous. It's like a watered down version of the 90s Dallas jerseys with terrible colors.
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