Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

[Foppa2118]

Gourde would be an ideal target this summer.

Dubois is my ideal target. I'd do Girard+Newhook if needed.

I just love the big, gritty, defensive 2C behind the flashy high skill 1C template. If he's available like rumored, it's also a rare opportunity for this Avs team to bring in another young star at 23 to help them stay competitive for a while.

Opportunity to get him signed long term before he fully breaks out too. Those are franchise defining opportunities that don't happen often. Joe should grab a hold of that opportunity if he's available.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

We will see. If Byram has another set back all bets are off.

I like Bo and all and I think hes a great talent but if things would have worked out differently and the Avs won the lotto that #2C issue would already be solved with Jack Hughes. Not complaining but I really really really wanted Hughes.

Yeah that lotto stings. We got lucky losing the lotto in 2017 and picking 4th, too bad the hockey gods didn't give us some good fortune that next year.


Imagine Hughes as the 3C right now, behind Mack and Kadri.

 

[Foppa2118]

We will see. If Byram has another set back all bets are off.

I like Bo and all and I think hes a great talent but if things would have worked out differently and the Avs won the lotto that #2C issue would already be solved with Jack Hughes. Not complaining but I really really really wanted Hughes.

Technically 2C won't be an issue unless they don't bring one in to replace Kadri.

2C's are easier to find and less expensive to acquire than 2D's like Byram who might be a 1D on a lot of teams. They found a 2C with Kadri and I would bet they'll find another good one this off season.

 

[Richard88]

Forsberg + Landeskog at 2C...

Nichuskin -- Mackinnon -- Rantanen
Forsberg --- Landeskog -- Newhook
Lehkonen ---- Meyers ---- Compher
xxxxxx -------- xxxxx ----- O'Connor

Boom.

EDIT: Cap outlook below:

Could also flip Newhook and Lehkonen so the 2nd line is Forsberg-Landeskog-Lehkonen. Landeskog basically plays center a lot anyways.

 

[flyfysher]

I mean on the other hand do you really want JT or Sturm potentially playing 2/3C? A deep defense only takes you so far.

So you want to return to the set up in Roy’s first year? C depth and mediocre D. We already saw how long it takes to build a serviceable D and the one we had last year wasn’t good enough to win the SC and you want to weaken it?

Pierce has always wanted to dump Byram. You really think that’s going to happen under Sakic? Kid is playing in the POs over JJ, Murray and MacDermid. It’s a pipe dream if he thinks that has a snowball’s chance in hell of happening.

I’d trade JTC and Girard to acquire a 2C before I would consider trading Byram.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Would stay far away from the big ticket UFAs. Nearly all of them end up being a bad contract. Filip Forsberg for example will command a ton but will be entering his decline in the not too distant future. UFA is great for depth pieces, for the sexy names teams often have to overpay and end up regretting their decision.

 

[The Abusement Park]

So you want to return to the set up in Roy’s first year? C depth and mediocre D. We already saw how long it takes to build a serviceable D and the one we had last year wasn’t good enough to win the SC and you want to weaken it?

Pierce has always wanted to dump Byram. You really think that’s going to happen under Sakic? Kid is playing in the POs over JJ, Murray and MacDermid. It’s a pipe dream if he thinks that has a snowball’s chance in hell of happening.

I’d trade JTC and Girard to acquire a 2C before I would consider trading Byram.

If we theoretically traded Byram for PLD we’d still have a defense that is not even in the same stratosphere as Roy’s teams. Like it’s not even comparable. The team would be very balanced, especially considering we’ve had this very good defense with JTC at 2C and failed. I’m not saying that trading Byram for a C needs to happen, but in the right circumstance I can see it making sense.

Dubois is my ideal target. I'd do Girard+Newhook if needed.

I just love the big, gritty, defensive 2C behind the flashy high skill 1C template. If he's available like rumored, it's also a rare opportunity for this Avs team to bring in another young star at 23 to help them stay competitive for a while.

Opportunity to get him signed long term before he fully breaks out too. Those are franchise defining opportunities that don't happen often. Joe should grab a hold of that opportunity if he's available.

PLD would be a very good target at C if possible.

 

[Richard88]

Would stay far away from the big ticket UFAs. Nearly all of them end up being a bad contract. Filip Forsberg for example will command a ton but will be entering his decline in the not too distant future. UFA is great for depth pieces, for the sexy names teams often have to overpay and end up regretting their decision.

Marek said the Avs considered Forsberg if Landeskog would have walked, but it would be surprising if Sakic actually wanted to sign him now that Landeskog is locked in. It's just too much money for another winger, it simply doesn't seem like a sort of move Sakic would make given how stringently he's operated with regards to cap management. Still fun to play around with the possibility though.

 

[flyfysher]

If we theoretically traded Byram for PLD we’d still have a defense that is not even in the same stratosphere as Roy’s teams. Like it’s not even comparable. The team would be very balanced, especially considering we’ve had this very good defense with JTC at 2C and failed. I’m not saying that trading Byram for a C needs to happen, but in the right circumstance I can see it making sense.


PLD would be a very good target at C if possible.

Yeah, I'm fine with PLD. However, you need to ask yourself this. The difference in our D compared to last season is Manson, Byram and EJ right now. So trading away Byram? Okay. What about EJ? Let's say EJ doesn't return - remember all of the chatter this last season from various posters wanting to dump him. Do you think the Avs would be competitive without Byram and EJ and a lesser D-man like Nemeth or Graves in their place? Already been there, done that. We know how that turned out. And two weeks ago, our fans were up in arms over Manson. Look at teams like the Rangers and the Panthers with their D right now. I don't want to sacrifice the Avs' D to get a 2C at the cost of Byram. Girard would be the D-man that I'd move to get that done. As between trading him or re-signing Toews, that's the way I'd lean.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah, I'm fine with PLD. However, you need to ask yourself this. The difference in our D compared to last season is Manson, Byram and EJ right now. So trading away Byram? Okay. What about EJ? Let's say EJ doesn't return - remember all of the chatter this last season from various posters wanting to dump him. Do you think the Avs would be competitive without Byram and EJ and a lesser D-man like Nemeth or Graves in their place? Already been there, done that. We know how that turned out. And two weeks ago, our fans were up in arms over Manson. Look at teams like the Rangers and the Panthers with their D right now. I don't want to sacrifice the Avs' D to get a 2C at the cost of Byram. Girard would be the D-man that I'd move to get that done. As between trading him or re-signing Toews, that's the way I'd lean.

I mean if we were the theoretically trade Byram I still think the defense would be fine. Do we really think a defense that has Girard, Makar, and Toews at minimum would be a problem? Especially considering Toews and Makar can easily make any pairing they play on a plus pairing.

 

[flyfysher]

I mean if we were the theoretically trade Byram I still think the defense would be fine. Do we really think a defense that has Girard, Makar, and Toews at minimum would be a problem? Especially considering Toews and Makar can easily make any pairing they play on a plus pairing.

It didn't work against the VGK last year. What more proof do you need? You think Girard, Makar, Toews and MacDermid will work against the VGK now that Reaves is with the Rags?

 

[The Abusement Park]

It didn't work against the VGK last year. What more proof do you need? You think Girard, Makar, Toews and MacDermid will work against the VGK now that Reaves is with the Rags?

Who was our 2C last year against Vegas? Also cmon if Byrams traded Sakic isn’t going to replace Byram with Macdermid…

 

[shadow1]

It didn't work against the VGK last year. What more proof do you need? You think Girard, Makar, Toews and MacDermid will work against the VGK now that Reaves is with the Rags?

I agree with you that trading Byram is a mistake...

But that Vegas series is ancient history. Those bums didn't even make the playoffs this year. Girard, Graves, and Nemeth were brutal in that series, but so was Colorado's goaltending and offense (only 11 goals in Games 2-6). Everything went wrong.

Assuming Girard recovers at all next season, Girard, Makar, Toews is one of - if not the best - trio in the NHL. But again, I agree I absolutely wouldn't trade Byram.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

To hang everything on that Vegas series when you also discount the fact that the refs played a significant part in that series (they went from calling penalties as they should be to letting Vegas get away with murder), Kadri got himself suspended, and that Graves and Nemeth were atrocious...yea, that's definitely on Toews and Makar.

 

[flyfysher]

Who was our 2C last year against Vegas? Also cmon if Byrams traded Sakic isn’t going to replace Byram with Macdermid…

Sakic isn't trading Byram to fill the 2C if he's playing in the POs now. That's what I don't get about that delusional fantasy being offered.

Trade Newhook and JTC and Girard to fill that 2C hole. That'd make sense since so many are writing Newhook off as a 2C. But no to trading Byram.

 

[shadow1]

Would stay far away from the big ticket UFAs. Nearly all of them end up being a bad contract. Filip Forsberg for example will command a ton but will be entering his decline in the not too distant future. UFA is great for depth pieces, for the sexy names teams often have to overpay and end up regretting their decision.

I agree. Plus the Avs MO is to target players who match their system and are looking to break out (Burakovsky, Nichushkin, Toews), rather than pay top dollar for name players.

Hard to imagine Colorado winning a free agent bidding war for Forsberg. Sakic barely agreed to terms with his captain last year, and that was only a $7M cap hit. Cap space is low, and the biggest UFA Sakic has landed in recent memory was Ian Cole...

 

[dahrougem2]

I hope Sakic doesn't think like most here and trades Byram.

If any defensemen should be going, it's Girard. Byram is going to become a much better defensemen than Girard.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I hope Sakic doesn't think like most here and trades Byram.

If any defensemen should be going, it's Girard. Byram is going to become a much better defensemen than Girard.

I think people worry about the health thing which is fair. If Bo wasnt dealing with that I dont think anyone would be talking about trading him. Even with the concussion issues right now I wouldnt look to be trading him but thats because I think he will overcome it.

 

[LTC Pain]

Byram stays! Final answer!

 

[The Abusement Park]

Sakic isn't trading Byram to fill the 2C if he's playing in the POs now. That's what I don't get about that delusional fantasy being offered.

Trade Newhook and JTC and Girard to fill that 2C hole. That'd make sense since so many are writing Newhook off as a 2C. But no to trading Byram.

By that same logic why would sakic trade Girard? I also don’t think Byram will be traded but I understand the logic.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Forsberg + Landeskog at 2C...

Nichuskin -- Mackinnon -- Rantanen
Forsberg --- Landeskog -- Newhook
Lehkonen ---- Meyers ---- Compher
xxxxxx -------- xxxxx ----- O'Connor

Boom.

EDIT: Cap outlook below:

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Could also flip Newhook and Lehkonen so the 2nd line is Forsberg-Landeskog-Lehkonen. Landeskog basically plays center a lot anyways.

Landy should continue as a W IMO.


I would trade for JT Miller after getting Forsberg.


1st + Olausson for JT Miller @2.65m, then also trade a 3rd round pick to Arizona for another 50% retained on JT so we get him at 1.325M


Nuke - Mack - Mikko
Landy - Miller - Forsberg
Lehk - Newhook - JTC
LOC - Meyers - Helm/Whoever

 

[Nihiliste]

Sakic’s number one priority this offseason should be mastering hypnosis so he can get guys like Kadri, Nuke, and in the future Toews to re-sign at a discount

 

[Freaky Styley]

Byram isn't getting traded, at least not anytime soon. So anyone thinking that can put a plug in it. And thank goodness for that. Certainly not before moving Girard. 90% of any Byram trade we lose. You don't trade a likely top-pairing D for a 2C, you just don't. That need can be addressed in a multitude of ways.

 

[dahrougem2]

Byram isn't getting traded, at least not anytime soon. So anyone thinking that can put a plug in it. And thank goodness for that. Certainly not before moving Girard. 90% of any Byram trade we lose. You don't trade a likely top-pairing D for a 2C, you just don't. That need can be addressed in a multitude of ways.

Not just that but Devon Toews isn't going to be this level of hockey player forever. He's arguably about to exit his prime years, whereas Byram is very close to just entering his.

If Bo can stay healthy we're going to have two legitimate #1 defensemen in Makar and Byram for a very long time.

 

[Nihiliste]

Not just that but Devon Toews isn't going to be this level of hockey player forever. He's arguably about to exit his prime years, whereas Byram is very close to just entering his.

If Bo can stay healthy we're going to have two legitimate #1 defensemen in Makar and Byram for a very long time.

It won’t last, but Toews will probably play at a higher level longer than most. He doesn’t have that much mileage yet due to breaking out late, has a high IQ, and with his style of play doesn’t take a ton of damage.