- Jan 18, 2016
- 35,671
- 27,087
Lmao you're gonna have to send Byram, Mikko, or something like that to get Hintz.
Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed
- Thread starter forsbergavs32
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
- Status
shadow1
Registered User
- Nov 29, 2008
- 16,939
- 6,061
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]GP[/TH]
[TH]G[/TH]
[TH]A[/TH]
[TH]P[/TH]
[TH]ATOI[/TH]
[TH]OZ%[/TH]
[TH]CF%[/TH]
[TH]Minutes w/Jack Johnson[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]22:09[/TD]
[TD]53.7%[/TD]
[TD]52.8%[/TD]
[TD]69:04[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]21:10[/TD]
[TD]51.7%[/TD]
[TD]50.4%[/TD]
[TD]198:50[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
I dug into Girard's numbers a bit and I couldn't help but notice a negative correlation (for everything) once he started playing regularly with Jack Johnson.
As you can see, Girard has spent nearly triple (288%) the amount of time with Jack Johnson in his last 32 games compared to his first 32. That correlation has translated to less offense/chances and more in-zone starts (and presumably ice time). It's worth pointing out Girard's offensive zone starts during his breakout season last year was 60.9%, way higher than this season and more in line with what you'd expect for a player of his type.
I'm not saying Jack Johnson is responsible for Girard's struggles. Girard is responsible for his own poor play; further evidence of that is that Girard is still struggling despite barely playing with JJ since returning from injury. But I definitely think that the aforementioned pairing was a match made in H-E-double hockey sticks that sent Girard's season into a nosedive.
[TR]
[TH]GP[/TH]
[TH]G[/TH]
[TH]A[/TH]
[TH]P[/TH]
[TH]ATOI[/TH]
[TH]OZ%[/TH]
[TH]CF%[/TH]
[TH]Minutes w/Jack Johnson[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]22:09[/TD]
[TD]53.7%[/TD]
[TD]52.8%[/TD]
[TD]69:04[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]21:10[/TD]
[TD]51.7%[/TD]
[TD]50.4%[/TD]
[TD]198:50[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
I dug into Girard's numbers a bit and I couldn't help but notice a negative correlation (for everything) once he started playing regularly with Jack Johnson.
As you can see, Girard has spent nearly triple (288%) the amount of time with Jack Johnson in his last 32 games compared to his first 32. That correlation has translated to less offense/chances and more in-zone starts (and presumably ice time). It's worth pointing out Girard's offensive zone starts during his breakout season last year was 60.9%, way higher than this season and more in line with what you'd expect for a player of his type.
I'm not saying Jack Johnson is responsible for Girard's struggles. Girard is responsible for his own poor play; further evidence of that is that Girard is still struggling despite barely playing with JJ since returning from injury. But I definitely think that the aforementioned pairing was a match made in H-E-double hockey sticks that sent Girard's season into a nosedive.
Last edited:
Perratrooper
Registered User
What’s the deal with Turcotte, is he still projected to have second line potential or has that been thrown out the window? I look at his numbers and I know they don’t paint the full picture, but they still leave a lot to be desired. Is he Jost 2.0?
AvsCOL
Registered User
- Jul 16, 2013
- 5,001
- 5,484
I think a lot of people thought he needed another year in college. Reminds me a lot of Jost when he had a really good college season and jumped the gun because of the opportunity available for their big club. Mind you Turcotte has a much higher ceiling than Jost does, but if I drafted a college kid I'd be asking him to commit to two years of college. He definitely still has top-6 potential, but he's not coming along as quickly as someone like Zegras.
The Kingslayer
Registered User
No shock that he sucks playing with Jack Johnson when you consider Jack Johnson really sucks.
The Kingslayer
Registered User
Wasnt Turcotte offense always a question mark? Maybe it was someone else but I seem to recall people wondering that. I remember alot of ROR comparisons with Turcotte.
Turcotte is going to be a NHL player, he should develop into a #2/3C version of Lehkonen with a bit more offense.
The issue is that he has that high draft pedigree and LA didn't draft him to only become a #3C. Still way too early to say, but this season has not looked kind to Byfield, Turcotte, or Kupari.
The issue is that he has that high draft pedigree and LA didn't draft him to only become a #3C. Still way too early to say, but this season has not looked kind to Byfield, Turcotte, or Kupari.
The Kingslayer
Registered User
Completely forgot about it. He's such a wildcard, This season should've been his breakout season, no idea what happened to him. I still believe he has too much talent to not be top 6 forward, assuming he can stay healthy.
Cousin Eddie
You Serious Clark?
- Nov 3, 2006
- 40,422
- 38,243
LA would have interest in Girard. As would Winnipeg who are probably trading PLD this summer.
AvsGuy
Hired the wrong DJ again
Is that a 2C option worth pursuing? Dubois always seems like he should be a monster but just isn't
- Jan 18, 2016
- 35,671
- 27,087
Huh? If WPG is making a core shakeup PLD would be one of the last guys they’d move I feel like.
Cousin Eddie
You Serious Clark?
- Nov 3, 2006
- 40,422
- 38,243
Friedman said he may not be willing to sign long term. He’s 2 years away from UFA and if he refuses to sign long term expect his name to be out there.
- Jan 18, 2016
- 35,671
- 27,087
Interesting. Sounded like he wanted to be in WPG when he got moved initially.
niwotsblessing
Registered User
Maybe the act of living in Winterpeg changed his mind.
I said it before as well but Scheifele's name has come up in Winnipeg many times as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see them clean house a bit.
I think they'll try and keep Dubois though. Unless he makes it clear he won't stay long term.
I've also seen Barzal's named mentioned a couple times recently. Another good trade option if he decides he's unwilling to sign in NYI.
I think they'll try and keep Dubois though. Unless he makes it clear he won't stay long term.
I've also seen Barzal's named mentioned a couple times recently. Another good trade option if he decides he's unwilling to sign in NYI.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
Moderator
Barzal on the Avs would be so much fun, I could see him doing really, really well with Nichushkin. Dubois may fit the need better though, and a line of Lehkonen-Dubois-Nichushkin would be an absolute pain in the ass to play against. However, that's all wishful thinking, I don't see the Avs with the assets to get either.
dahrougem2
Registered User
Barzal should be trying like hell to get out of Long Island. He's making 7M right now yet hasn't topped 65 points since his rookie season.
No doubt playing in that Islanders system is potentially costing him money.
No doubt playing in that Islanders system is potentially costing him money.
Would y'all be interested in Zadorov coming back? Wouldn't be any more expensive than Manson and there is an obvious need in the lineup for a defender taller than 5' 11.25''
dahrougem2
Registered User
No because it's been proven he can't play in this system and thrive.
bromando
Registered User
- Jun 4, 2013
- 892
- 164
Yup. Better off rooting for him on other teams when they aren't playing us than trying to relive the not-so-glory days. Our D has moved onwards and upwards.
Neither have any other bigger stay at home types. Depending on how the playoffs go they may need to re look at the system.
- Status
