Toews also doesn't play pp1 but is significantly outproducing Girard. I think Spurgeon possesses a similar level of offensive skill to Toews as a clean passer with a good shot nothing fancy but capable which is more than Girard has shown me. People agree with me now that Girard's shot is complete rubbish even though it was advertised as a strength when he was first being traded here but his passing also isn't great, he frequently misses guys from 3 feet away and sends the puck into their skates or behind them or is just overall slow sending pucks ahead often choosing to retreat and halting the pace of the game which I don't think is beneficial for a team like the avs. I still remember Mackinnon getting upset at Girard because he was too slow at sending him the puck on the powerplay which allowed the defense and goalie to get back in position before he could get his shot off.
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It's always nice when there's certain posters here who only show up to shit on certain players and the team after a loss or two, then completely disappear once the winning starts up again.
I didn't shit on the team for the Seattle game though? All I did was defend Mackinnon. Nice mindless narrative though that you came up with. I only criticized JJ for the caps game because I don't want to see that shit in the playoffs.
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Because Toews is a significantly better player than Girard. But that’s not the argument.
Anyways posting regularly on hfboards takes too much time, I don't know how you guys do this. Looking forward to reading comments in the next game thread.
Well when you post five times in a row in the same thread I can see how you burn yourself out and have to return to the cave to recharge for another month or so.
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Minnesota is 5th in the NHL in GF/game (3.66), while Colorado sits at 3rd (3.82). That's not a huge difference.
Spurgeon is also getting almost 3 minutes per night of PP ice time (2:57) with Kaprisov and Zuccarrello. Girard is getting 1:44 on Colorado's 2nd unit. I pointed it out earlier but Girard had 26 points in his first 41 games, which is damn impressive considering his power play deployment. Why he only has 1 point in his last 21 games is a mystery that is almost certainly being driven by an underlying injury.
The overall package of Spurgeon > Girard, but Girard's totals would be better if he was a PP1 QB on a different team.
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As you are also part of the HF Mass, does it mean you are also "hardly credible"?the opinions of the HF Mass on here are hardly credible.
Either you dont care about statistics or you simply dont understand them. I dont know what else to tell you. He was a Top pairing Dman for each of the last 2 years with last year playing like a #1D.
He hasn't been as good this year, but its pretty obvious he was playing through an injury this year, and his main Defensive partner this year has been Jack Johnson which will drag down any Dman in the league. It certainly doesn't completely discredit his last 2+ years of work where he was one of the Top 30Dmen in the league.
You’re the only one here who wants Trocheck. Carolina wants to shoot him into the sun so we should probably stay the hell away from him
With scoring being up so much this year across the league, that has to have an effect on the upcoming contracts too right? Do e.g. arbitrators, teams use a lot of stats of point % vs across the league scoring etc. for players?
I dont know, but I would presume yes, as everyone with extreme career years cannot get a huge payday with the cap being so tight still. Might be a lot of arbitration cases coming up you would think.
I dont know, but I would presume yes, as everyone with extreme career years cannot get a huge payday with the cap being so tight still. Might be a lot of arbitration cases coming up you would think.
I'm sorry, but G is just too damn soft man. This comes from someone who proudly owns his Cataractes jersey and has been a proponent of his from the beginning, but these last two playoff series have done nothing but fill me with apprehension. When refs swallow their whistles and teams forecheck aggressively to negate the Avs' breakout ability he folds like a lawn chair. People like to shit on Graves as much as possible about the Vegas series, but G was arguably worse and it seems to have had lasting effects on his confidence this year. He's looked nothing like the Norris-caliber guy that showed flashes during the regular season last year and I worry he's going to be a liability with top-4 minutes against Dallas or Vegas again. If he does struggle again I wouldn't be opposed to exploring a trade in the offseason.
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And both haven’t been good deals for their teams. You can’t go around paying dmen 11 mil of your cap
That's because they signed those contracts when they were already 30 years old and on the decline and both guys(But especially Karlsson) have run into injury problems Also, Doughty's contract so far has been fine when he's been healthy. The mistake wasn't giving these guys 11M. It was giving them 11M when they were already on the wrong side of 30.
In fact, that's a problem across the league in general that GMs are always, always making. They pay guys the big money based on what they had previously done in there careers, instead of what they are currently doing or are expected to be doing.
As a result, guys always, always end up severely underpaid while they are in their prime years but then end up way overpaid once they've started slowing down.
The best teams and best GMs in the league are the ones that don't give big money and term contracts and extensions to players who are about to hit 30+. Walk away and let some other fool do that.
Sakic has actually shown to be pretty good at this so far. Choosing to walk away from Saad, and Grubauer, and will likely walk away from Kadri this summer.
It also likely means we walk away from Toews in 2 years time as well. Especially if he wins a cup in the next two years with us, and continues to be a Top 5 Dman in the league... Some sucker GM will pay him huge money when he's 30+.
I'd take Trocheck here... he's flawed, but that is why he's a mid grade 2C and not an elite one. He'd be a fantastic add to this team when Kadri walks.
Toews with how he is playing is setting up for a 8-9m per contract... it may not hold, but at that price, the Avs won't be able to afford him,
Toews with how he is playing is setting up for a 8-9m per contract... it may not hold, but at that price, the Avs won't be able to afford him,
Easy to say that, but it's also a mistake to let them walk. St. Louis would absolutely be an actual cup contender if they had Pietrangelo instead of trying to galaxy brain the issue by trading for Faulk and then signing Krug. Franchise talent is harder to come by then cap space.
Players are underpaid in their prime because they either haven't hit their potential and don't have the track record. Add to the fact that they often go for a guarantee their first contract (i.e. Draisaitl, Hughes) that have people saying they're overpaid at first, only to look like a steal a year or two later.
Most teams cup windows aren't that long, and if it means one or two more shots at the cup with your franchise player then so be it. We'll be getting to that point soon enough, because once that player starts declining the team they're on won't be competing anyways, and if they let the player walk.
Depends on the player. For example, the Avs are going to be forced to give Mackinnon an 8x12M+ deal here very soon... We all know(Well, the ones who aren't extremely bias anyway) that contract isn't going to look pretty when the 2nd half of it kicks in and Mack is 32 years old. But on the flip side, re-signing Kadri would be a huge mistake. Re-signing Devon Toews in 2 years from now will be a mistake(But I dont think we'll have a chance at that anyway).
I'd agree for your absolute franchise players, you just have to take the hit and sign the contract. Especially if your window is still perhaps open, like the Avs will believe it to be.
But I dont think the Blues made a mistake passing on Pietrangelo at all. In fact I think they are looking like geniuses at this point and only speak further to the idea that sometimes you just have to walk away when it doesn't make sense. You say the Blues would be an "actual cup contender" with Pietrangelo, yet the team that signed Pietrangelo to that 8.8M deal is on the outside of playoffs looking in this year despite being though to be the #1 contender, Pietrangelo is already starting to experience falloff, and the Blues are 2nd in the Central, 7th in the entire NHL for points this year.
Not signing Pietrangelo enabled them to improve the forward depth on that team by trading for Buchnevich, and improve the overall depth of the Defense.
I think signing Erik Karlsson to the contract he got was a huge mistake for the Sharks, especially given his injury history. I think it was clear his ankle was in really bad shape and he wasn't going to be the player he was for Ottawa in years prior going forward. But Doug Wilson also put himself in a really bad spot by trading as much as he did to get Karlsson, and at that point you kind of have to sign him to save your job basically. You trade that much away for him and then dont sign him, you're fired the next day.
Ultimately it comes down to just no franchise being perfect.
Karlsson was dominant for the first half of this season before he got hurt, it just took a year or so for him to figure out how to play without the same jump he used to have.
Wilson's major f***-up (aside from the disastrous acquisition and signing of Evander Kane) was not the Karlsson trade/signing, it was Vlasic's massive extension. He's likely getting bought out this offseason.
Also, he didn't count on a couple things happening--Joe Pavelski remaining a productive player well into his late thirties, and Martin Jones going from being an erratic, middle-tier starter to barely-NHL caliber over the course of a year.
Wilson's major f***-up (aside from the disastrous acquisition and signing of Evander Kane) was not the Karlsson trade/signing, it was Vlasic's massive extension. He's likely getting bought out this offseason.
Also, he didn't count on a couple things happening--Joe Pavelski remaining a productive player well into his late thirties, and Martin Jones going from being an erratic, middle-tier starter to barely-NHL caliber over the course of a year.
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Vlasic's fall off was pretty astounding. Pretty up to that point he was amazing and pretty much the undisputed best defensive defensemen in the league.
Armstrong went out and signed Faulk the season before as a contingency for Pietrangelo, and then signed Krug the same offseason Pie left. Pietrangelo @ $8.8 mil + $4 mil defenseman > Faulk + Krug @ 6.5 mil ($13 mil). They still would've had cap space (arguably more) to trade for Buchnevich.
Pietrangelo isn't the same player he was a few years ago, but he'd still easily be their best defenseman and would actually be able to shut down games between him and Parayko. St. Louis is a great regular season team and has ridiculous offensive depth, but the defense is a joke, and as a result they can only play one type of style. It's the reason why St. Louis was pining so hard for Lindholm, he's the type of defenseman they've been missing.
As for Vegas, Pietrangelo isn't the reason they're out of the playoffs, far from it.
Signing a guy like that to a max-term deal at $7 million per season right as he was set to enter a decline was pure stupidity. Even the Canes knew better when they re-upped Jaccob Slavin with a few of his prime years left to a much more manageable number.
Vegas will come to regret that deal in due time. Pietrangelo was still largely good, but he's already showing signs that his best years are behind him.
That said, St. Louis may have been okay with the whole Pietrangelo/Krug swap, but what really killed them defensively was acquiring Marco Scandella, whose game promptly fell off a cliff not long after he arrived.
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