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Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

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the_fan said:
Do we really want Giroux? The guy didn't wanna go to Avs even when Sakic made a better offer than Florida as was reported. Don't think I want him
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The Avs asked about him but when Joe was told he wanted to go to Florida he never even made an offer
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
I'm fine with the move this year, Manson helps us right now.


I just dont want the Avs to potentially saddle themselves with another EJ 2.0 contract, paying a guy already into his 30s who has already started slowing down, and paying him like 4M or some silly number for 4 more years. Hopefully the Avs learned from the mistakes of the EJ contract and dont do it again with Manson.

Now, if Manson really loves it here and truly enjoys playing on a winning team, and we can get him to sign for something like 2x2.5M or even 2x3M, then its not as bad. But I think some team is going to offer him 4, maybe even 5 years in free agency and likely in the 4M neighborhood and that's just a bad contract waiting to happen.


It doesn't sound like a lot, but paying your #5Dman $4M, versus $2M is significant. That could be the difference in being able to afford Toews on an extension in a couple of years time, or being able to afford Nuke's new contract this summer, sort of thing.
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Manson has been saying the right things about wanting to remain with the Avs. But you can't discount his agent coaching him to win in the court of public opinion. At the very least it makes his time in Colorado as harmonious as possible. But you're absolutely right. We'll learn soon enough if it's all fake, i.e. "I'd like to stay here as long as they pay me."
 
Alienblood said:
The Avs asked about him but when Joe was told he wanted to go to Florida he never even made an offer
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Whatever, it's his loss. Giroux is gonna have one shot in Florida to win the cup because they can't resign him, and next year they're talking about someone like Ottawa signing him. That means if he doesn't win it this year, he's gonna retire without a cup. With the Avs he'd have more than one opportunity because Avs could resign him because Kadri is most likely gone.
 
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What is Girard's trade value at the draft? If Sakic has the defense more or less figured out at the draft and Byram is healthy moving forward, what would be a realistic return for Girard and his sweet contract?
 
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LakewoodAvsFan said:
What is Girard's trade value at the draft? If Sakic has the defense more or less figured out at the draft and Byram is healthy moving forward, what would be a realistic return for Girard and his sweet contract?
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Maybe like a yanni gourde + kind of deal?
Assuming we’d want a C coming back. Could probably get a solid young winger with term too.
 
Nzap said:
If he fixes the 2C issue without moving Girard I will not be disappointed.
However if Girard is on the team and our 2C is Compher/Newhook, I am gonna be disappointed.
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That assumes Girard would net a 2C in the first place. I don't think that's any sort of guarantee. If Compher is still on the team come October that's a whole different sort of failure.
 
Avaholic29 said:
Maybe like a yanni gourde + kind of deal?
Assuming we’d want a C coming back. Could probably get a solid young winger with term too.
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We could have had Gourde for free when Tampa wanted to get rid of his cap hit, not giving G for him. That'd be some terrible asset management.
 
Yeah I'm only moving Girard if it's for either an established 2C, or a very high end prospect who will be a 2C one day. His contract is just way too valuable otherwise, especially with the major cap crunch coming up for us.




Unless Sakic can magically pull off a Trocheck UFA signing this summer, in which case I then wouldn't be totally against trading Girard for a haul of futures either at some point(Probably the next summer). 1st round pick + A-tier prospect + another asset, sort of deal.
 
Hasbro said:
Should hang onto Girard until you get Toews reupped and confident Behrens is ready.
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That would be ideal, but the problem is they might have a big need for a 2C this off season, possibly with only trade options available. And the only asset that could bring one in is probably Girard.

They can't re-sign Toews this offseason and Behrens likely plays another year at DU. Given how highly Sakic spoke about him at the deadline though, they may have already determined he can be an NHL defenseman of some sort.
 
Pokecheque said:
I'm willing to be a LOT of you will be disappointed this offseason when October rolls around and Number 49 is right there on the opening night roster. Not me though.
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Yeah I mean as a fan I’d be a bit disappointed to continue using a luxury guy while we have holes elsewhere. Girard doesn’t add anything Byram can’t so if byram is healthy and has a big playoffs, I don’t see why we wouldn’t visit a Girard trade.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Yeah I'm only moving Girard if it's for either an established 2C, or a very high end prospect who will be a 2C one day. His contract is just way too valuable otherwise, especially with the major cap crunch coming up for us.




Unless Sakic can magically pull off a Trocheck UFA signing this summer, in which case I then wouldn't be totally against trading Girard for a haul of futures either at some point(Probably the next summer). 1st round pick + A-tier prospect + another asset, sort of deal.
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Is Girard that underpaid though? He’s a #3D and is probably paid market value for being that.
 
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Avaholic29 said:
Yeah I mean as a fan I’d be a bit disappointed to continue using a luxury guy while we have holes elsewhere. Girard doesn’t add anything Byram can’t so if byram is healthy and has a big playoffs, I don’t see why we wouldn’t visit a Girard trade.
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He's got one of the best value contracts on the team, which is huge going forward given the deals that are going to make cap space a premium going forward.

If Sammy has another bad showing in the playoffs, okay yeah, sure, there could be some changes looming. If he doesn't, then there's little reason to move him. Even if Byram manages to make it through the playoffs with no problems, that doesn't mean Girard is automatically expendable.
 
Northern Avs Fan said:
Is Girard that underpaid though? He’s a #3D and is probably paid market value for being that.
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Yes...

Even in his down year this year, his market value is almost $6M. I think especially with how he has played since coming back from injury as well, its reasonably fair to suggest he was probably trying to play through an injury for much of this year that contributed to his drop in play.


Last year his market value was nearly $8M and the year prior over 7M.


He's only a #3D on this team because of the ridiculousness of having Toews and Makar on this team already.


Just for reference, Girard has extremely similar Game Score's to that of Set Jones and we just saw Seth Jones sign for 9.5M last summer on a contract that will also take him well outside of his prime years. Girard is signed through all of his prime years which means that contract will continue to be exceptional value all the way. Same thing with Darnell Nurse. All 3 guys had a projected Game Score this year within 0.1 of each other, and Girard is making half the money those two are.
 
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Northern Avs Fan said:
Is Girard that underpaid though? He’s a #3D and is probably paid market value for being that.
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yes/no. He's paid market value for what he brings to a contender as you don't want him on your top pairing, but on a rebuilding team where he's getting #1/2 minutes he's worth more than that. He still has a bit more potential to boot as well.

We'll see in the playoffs, but if I had to choose between a top 4 of Makar/Toews/Byram/Manson or Makar/Toews/Byram/Girard for a cup run, I chose the 1st option. Most teams don't have a better PMD than Girard though, let alone 3.
 
The playoffs will show a lot about Girard. If he gets tossed around again I have no doubts he will get traded sooner or later.
 
TruePowerSlave said:
The playoffs will show a lot about Girard. If he gets tossed around again I have no doubts he will get traded sooner or later.
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Ya I think the writing is on the wall for G unless he has a huge playoffs. He'll be getting easier minutes this year as well, so no excuses if he doesn't play well.
 
Northern Avs Fan said:
What AAV would you feel comfortable paying him? 6, 7, 8? What do you think is fair value?
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Fair value, based on the contracts that were given out last summer to other Dmen, would probably be in the neighborhood of 8-9M.

Because again, statistically(What matters) he is right on par with the likes of Darnell Nurse and Seth Jones. In saying that, it was also largely agreed upon in the community(especially the stats community) that both Nurse and Jones were pretty overpaid with those deals, and they should be more in the 7s.

So, I would say based on what other guys have gotten, 8.5M is completely reasonable. Based on what the numbers say though, ~7M would actually be fair.


Either which way, he's well underpaid at $5M and a contract that takes him through his 24-28 year old seasons remaining. Compared to these other guys who just signed 7-8 year deals that dont even start until he's 28 for Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse.
 
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