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Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

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Rantanen, Landeskog and Makar left a little bit of money on the table when re-signing. Do you think MacKinnon will do the same?
 
The Abusement Park said:
For all the shit Gru got last year he at least had a .914 last year. Kuemper has a f***ing .892. It’s unbelievable. Imagine how much better we’d have been getting .914 this postseason.
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Oof...numbers are numbers and if you're sitting at home with a broken TV and looking at the stats then sure, I guess that can make sense.

For me though, I don't give a shit if Kuempers numbers are .777 if he's making that save when the time is right to keep it a 1-0 game or keeping it a 3-3 game and gives us a chance in OT, then great.

I'm not saying he's been great but people seem to forget that we needed big saves from grubauer last year in Game #5 & Game #6 at the right time
and we did not get that. I don't give a shit what his sv% was... he wasn't able to close the door at the right time.

So far Kuempers has done that even though he's let in bad goals, we still only have 3 losses in these playoffs. When the team has played well in front of him he's been able to get the win and when the team has played like crap, he also played like crap. In the 3 losses we've had, his play matched the team and in the games we've won - he's been able to be good enough to win. That's really all that matters, for me anyways.
Freudian said:
Rantanen, Landeskog and Makar left a little bit of money on the table when re-signing. Do you think MacKinnon will do the same?
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I think so and people will be surprised.
 
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I would go with Fleury way before Kuemper for three reasons:
1. Cost
2. Fleury will do anything to make a save. He never gives up on a puck.
3. Last but not least he doesn't let in as many weak goals as Kuemper does. Those weak goals are very demoralizing for the skaters. One bad goal is fine but two bad goals in a game and the skaters usually have problems recovering from that.

With that said...does Fleury still have enough in the tank? I think he does.
 
AllAboutAvs said:
I would go with Fleury way before Kuemper for three reasons:
1. Cost
2. Fleury will do anything to make a save. He never gives up on a puck.
3. Last but not least he doesn't let in as many weak goals as Kuemper does. Those weak goals are very demoralizing for the skaters. One bad goal is fine but two bad goals in a game and the skaters usually have problems recovering from that.

With that said...does Fleury still have enough in the tank? I think he does.
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Have you watched Fleury at any point in the past 5 years? There's a reason he has consistently lost his net in the playoffs in recent history, and it's because he often goes through stretches where he let's way too many goals that should never happen
 
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All the crap we are going through with Kuemper made me think… would be something of interest this trade with Seattle?

Gru (2 mil retained) + Gourde
for
Girard + Kaut

We would be set at goalie and 2C for the next 3 years+… and, from what I saw from Kuemper and the fire goalie market, I might digest/almost like something like this
 
teoberto said:
All the crap we are going through with Kuemper made me think… would be something of interest this trade with Seattle?

Gru (2 mil retained) + Gourde
for
Girard + Kaut

We would be set at goalie and 2C for the next 3 years+… and, from what I saw from Kuemper and the fire goalie market, I might digest/almost like something like this
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Sakic doesn't exactly have a long history of going back to guys who walked on him in free agency.
 
Bender said:
Oof...numbers are numbers and if you're sitting at home with a broken TV and looking at the stats then sure, I guess that can make sense.

For me though, I don't give a shit if Kuempers numbers are .777 if he's making that save when the time is right to keep it a 1-0 game or keeping it a 3-3 game and gives us a chance in OT, then great.

I'm not saying he's been great but people seem to forget that we needed big saves from grubauer last year in Game #5 & Game #6 at the right time
and we did not get that. I don't give a shit what his sv% was... he wasn't able to close the door at the right time.

So far Kuempers has done that even though he's let in bad goals, we still only have 3 losses in these playoffs. When the team has played well in front of him he's been able to get the win and when the team has played like crap, he also played like crap. In the 3 losses we've had, his play matched the team and in the games we've won - he's been able to be good enough to win. That's really all that matters, for me anyways.
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I mean Kuemper hasn’t done that either really. He’s been fortunate that this team has dominated basically every team we’ve played. I mean game 5 of the Blues he let in 4 of the last 9 shots of the game. Last game he lets in a soft goal to tie the game up directly after we killed a PK. Then later that game, we get it back to 4-2 and have a little momentum and he gives up a soft 5th goal which was the ultimate back breaker.

The fact that Kuemper has far worse save % on a team that’s dominated as much as they have is very indicative of how he’s played. Grub certainly was a problem but Kuemper is at minimum equally as much a problem as Gru was.
 
The Abusement Park said:
For all the shit Gru got last year he at least had a .914 last year. Kuemper has a f***ing .892. It’s unbelievable. Imagine how much better we’d have been getting .914 this postseason.
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Grubauer stunk in Games 4-6, but he stole Game 2 and nearly stole Game 3.

Colorado was outshot by Vegas 41-25 in Game 2 and 43-20 in Game 3.

Kuemper has been so much worse.
 
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Richard88 said:
So what's the most you are willing to pay for Gibson? 1st + Newhook, or what are we talking about here?
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Gibson at 50% is worth a ton, but the Avs don't have a ton of assets though. The 23 1st is worth about a 2nd today. Newhook has some shine off him due to the center question. G struggling this year and hurt has questions. Swinging a deal like that might get tough, but basically you're looking at a big asset like G (very unlikely that) or 3 future assets where 2 of the top 5 in the org are traded and a throw in. So something like 23 1st + OO + Ranta or 23 1st + Newhook + 5th. Avs basically having no seconds hurts in a negotiation here, it means you have to give up at least a prime future.
 
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Hasbro said:
No way in hell Anaheim is tying up a retention slot at $3.2M for the next four years. The only way you will get a team to retain long term is if the contract is a huge liability to them.
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Yeah I know... hence why it is worth a ton. :laugh:
 
henchman24 said:
Gibson at 50% is worth a ton, but the Avs don't have a ton of assets though. The 23 1st is worth about a 2nd today. Newhook has some shine off him due to the center question. G struggling this year and hurt has questions. Swinging a deal like that might get tough, but basically you're looking at a big asset like G (very unlikely that) or 3 future assets where 2 of the top 5 in the org are traded and a throw in. So something like 23 1st + OO + Ranta or 23 1st + Newhook + 5th. Avs basically having no seconds hurts in a negotiation here, it means you have to give up at least a prime future.
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Both of these are easily worth it IMO to shore up the goaltending with a top-10 caliber goalie for the next half decade while this team contends.
 
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Both of these are easily worth it IMO to shore up the goaltending with a top-10 caliber goalie for the next half decade while this team contends.
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Those might be doable, and probably.worth it, but the question is how do you then solve the 2C issue after trading those assets for a goalie?

Assuming Nichuskin and Lehkonen are retained with term our top of the lineup would be looking good for a few years, except for a 2C (and maybe 2RHD if Girard is moved). I'd have confidence in the pro scouts continuing to find guys who can fill out the bottom 6 chraply (eg. Nieto, Comeau, NAK, Helm, Cogliano, Sturm, Meyers, etc), but that 2C spot would be crucial albeit hard to fill after an expensive Gibson trade.

Landeskog - Mackinnon - Nichuskin
Lehkonen ------- 2C ------ Rantanen

Toews - Makar
Byram - Girard

Gibson

niwotsblessing said:
If he doesn't wake up really soon he won't have a choice.
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He'll be an UFA in a year, so yes he will have a choice.
 
Richard88 said:
So what's the most you are willing to pay for Gibson? 1st + Newhook, or what are we talking about here?
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Instead of that, wouldn't Anaheim be interested in a puck mover like G -> if the Avs decided to go in that direction??

I don't know about 1-for-1 but the Ducks do have a bunch of solid banked prospects the Avs should also be interested in. (I particularly like BOG his draft year)
 
Bender said:
Instead of that, wouldn't Anaheim be interested in a puck mover like G -> if the Avs decided to go in that direction??

I don't know about 1-for-1 but the Ducks do have a bunch of solid banked prospects the Avs should also be interested in. (I particularly like BOG his draft year)
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Cam Fowler and Drysdale are on the smallish side too, so they probably wouldn't be too keen on Girard.
 
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