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Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

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Balthazar said:
That guy from another team said that the Avs have at least 50% chance to keep him. That's not a big number. :laugh:
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Says besides MacKinnon’s next contract Nuke is the Avs highest priority. With the big money Nuke could make in free agency the fact that other teams say it’s more likely then not he stays that’s a pretty good indication.
 
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Northern Avs Fan said:
Yeah, I tend to agree. I don’t find that encouraging at all. :laugh:

I do think he ends up staying with the Avs though.
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Within context of the conversation, it’s all positive.

Balthazar said:
What we know: This team can make a deep playoff run without Kadri, Girard and Burakovsky

What we don't know: If the team can make a deep run without Manson and Nuke
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Would we have gotten past Blues without Kadri though? He carried us that series.
 
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Richard88 said:
Bobrovsky at 33 years old for $5m x4 years still doesn't seem all too appealing.

The most interesting parts of that article was about Washington and the part about Gibson.



From the tweet below it seems like Gibson has started each season decently and then tailed-off. Some might look at this chart and conclude that it's a graph of how much Gibson has cared, and that his stats have dropped as soon as he's realised that Anaheim have had nothing to play for. Most notably he was stellar in that 2021-22 peak where Anaheim still had an outside shot of the playoffs, until they didn't, so maybe he's still capable of elevating his play when he has something to play for.

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Or his team started dropping out because he started playing like crap.
 
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Northern Avs Fan said:
The Avs could just bring the whole gang back if they move EJ this off-season, or he retires. If that cap space opens up they realistically could do it.

They’d have to somewhat blow it up a year from now when they have to sign MacKinnon and Byram, but if they want to run it back, the option exists.
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Nope. EJ is a big part of our team. He isn't going anywhere next year; he's a big part of running it back.
 
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Yeah EJ is like 99% coming back. He's also coming off the healthiest year of his career.


Which is fine, he will cover most of the Mack raise in 2023 at least. Makes that summer a little easier to manage(Though not much easier with Byram, Meyers and Newhook all being RFAs).
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Yeah EJ is like 99% coming back. He's also coming off the healthiest year of his career.


Which is fine, he will cover most of the Mack raise in 2023 at least. Makes that summer a little easier to manage(Though not much easier with Byram, Meyers and Newhook all being RFAs).
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Those 3 RFA deals are gonna be tough to deal with, and probably make it tricky for any top 6/2C addition the Avs make this offseason to have more than one year term. If the Avs do add a 2C with term that will probably mean that Girard (or Toews) has to get traded in 2023 to pay for the RFA's, but by then at least Behrens should hopefully be close, and we'll also know if we have anything in Zhuravlyov (doubtful but you never know).
 
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I think this off-season is one where we basically go all in, completely. Mack will get signed (We will offer 8 years for sure); we will give as long of term as possible to retain as much of our support players as possible. That means I can see 6+ year deals for any of Lehky, Nuke, Kadri, Manson and maybe not Bura (unless he just wants to give a big discount).

Hell, can we possibly give extension offers to the RFAs? What if we just take a big gamble and give 4M x 5 to Byram right now?
 
GirardSpinorama said:
I think this off-season is one where we basically go all in, completely. Mack will get signed (We will offer 8 years for sure); we will give as long of term as possible to retain as much of our support players as possible. That means I can see 6+ year deals for any of Lehky, Nuke, Kadri, Manson and maybe not Bura (unless he just wants to give a big discount).

Hell, can we possibly give extension offers to the RFAs? What if we just take a big gamble and give 4M x 5 to Byram right now?
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6 years for Manson would be a very big mistake. No way Sakic does that. Kadri will be too expensive.

I could see Byram taking longer term instead of betting on himself. With his concussions issues he might want some financial security.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
We don't know that at all. Kadri played every game until game 3 of the WCF. He was instrumental in beating St. Louis.
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Kadri was bad in the Preds series (non-factor at best) and was bad up until the game following the Binnington incident in round 2.

Since he's been hurt the Avs are 4-0 without him.

So yes, we kinda know.
 
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Balthazar said:
Kadri was bad in the Preds series (non-factor at best) and was bad up until the game following the Binnington incident in round 2.

Since he's been hurt the Avs are 4-0 without him.

So yes, we kinda know.
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How was he bad in the Nashville series? He had a bad game 3. Otherwise he was pretty good. Ditto the Blues series. He had a bad game 2 but so did everyone else.

You're putting way too much stock into the Avs going on some deep run without Kadri. We know what happened to this team without a proper 2C the last few playoff runs. Just because the Avs have played well the last 4 games doesn't mean this team is capable of going on a deep run without Kadri or a 2C of his quality.
 
Balthazar said:
Maybe. But maybe not. It's still a big gamble with that contract. 6.4M for 5 years is a big deal for a goalie that has been "the worst goalie in the league after February".

And even if what you said is true then straight up giving up isn't the best quality either.
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I mean it’s at worst a lateral move to are signing Kumeper or bringing in Campbell or Varly which are the other most likely options.
 
dahrougem2 said:
How was he bad in the Nashville series? He had a bad game 3. Otherwise he was pretty good. Ditto the Blues series. He had a bad game 2 but so did everyone else.

You're putting way too much stock into the Avs going on some deep run without Kadri. We know what happened to this team without a proper 2C the last few playoff runs. Just because the Avs have played well the last 4 games doesn't mean this team is capable of going on a deep run without Kadri or a 2C of his quality.
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You have short memory, he was awful in the Preds series. Bad decisions all over the ice, just like how he finished the season after he came back from his injury.

I'm not saying we can win without a 2C, I said that we know we can win without Kadri but we don't know if we can win without Nuke and Manson. This is very relevant to this thread.

The Abusement Park said:
I mean it’s at worst a lateral move to are signing Kumeper or bringing in Campbell or Varly which are the other most likely options.
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The big difference here is Campbell and Varly wouldn't have anywhere near that kind of AAV or term. Also Kuemper wouldn't cost any asset to acquire (we already paid for that one!).
 
Balthazar said:
You have short memory, he was awful in the Preds series. Bad decisions all over the ice, just like how he finished the season after he came back from his injury.

I'm not saying we can win without a 2C, I said that we know we can win without Kadri but we don't know if we can win without Nuke and Manson. This is very relevant to this thread.


The big difference here is Campbell and Varly wouldn't have anywhere near that kind of AAV or term. Also Kuemper wouldn't cost any asset to acquire (we already paid for that one!).
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And Kuemper has shown that he really isn’t the answer going forwards. Or at least you really have to think about going with him for the time being.
 
Balthazar said:
You have short memory, he was awful in the Preds series. Bad decisions all over the ice, just like how he finished the season after he came back from his injury.

I'm not saying we can win without a 2C, I said that we know we can win without Kadri but we don't know if we can win without Nuke and Manson. This is very relevant to this thread.


The big difference here is Campbell and Varly wouldn't have anywhere near that kind of AAV or term. Also Kuemper wouldn't cost any asset to acquire (we already paid for that one!).
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He really wasn't awful. Nobody was awful against Nashville. Not sure why you'd single out Kadri here. The closest thing to "awful" that series was Rantanen.

Anyways, we don't know that we can win without Kadri because he was dominant almost all regular season and was a huge reason we beat St. Louis. There's no justification to the point you're making. Losing him next season will be a big hit to this team.
 
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