Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

[Foppa2118]

Counterpoint: you can't do sh¡t if you don't have both

A #1 C is like a QB. It helps elevate the franchise but if the overall roster is not deep, you won't win much in the playoffs. a #1 D is like a pass rusher, it makes things easier.
You need both to win. Your roster has to have balance and depth to win.

I think you can win with a defensive system and good goaltending with a low end/borderline 1C like ROR with the Blues or Sykora/Gomez with the Devils.

But it's a lot harder to win with a low end/ borderline 1D, and a poor defense, no matter how good your 1C is. I think we've seen that with the Leafs and Oilers.

They're all important, but they're not equally important. That's not how things usually break down. 1D/Defense is the most important to becoming a champion IMO.

 

[Richard88]

The Avs trust Compher and he's stepped up... zero chance he gets moved this summer.

To add to that, Sakic seems to like having players in contract years, as evidenced by the short term deals he's handed out to the likes of Nichuskin, Burakovsky, Zadorov, etc, along with the acquisition of Saad with one year term. Seems most likely that he'll bet on JTC having a good year as a pending UFA.

Also worth bearing in mind that the Avs front office will have their hands full with either trying to sign Kuemper, Nichuskin, Manson, Kadri, Burakovsky, Helm, and/or Cogliano as UFA's, along with Lehkonen and NAK as RFA's.. or their replacements... and needless to say they'll probably shy away from moving JTC just for the sake of some stability and one less thing to worry about.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Yeah JTC has done everything you could have asked for this playoff run. He gets shit on here a bunch but the reality is he's a pretty effective 3rd liner and is showing his worth this playoff run.


He's probably the 3C next year. One thing we've noticed from Bednar especially this playoff run is he likes having two guys on each line that can play Center or at least take a faceoff.... I'll continue pounding the table for Nick Paul as a UFA target this summer. Would be a fantastic fit on the 3rd line here, with Lehky forming that trio.


Nuke - Mack - Landy
Mikko - ???? - Newhook
Lehky - JTC - Paul



Find a quality 2C and that is once again a phenomenal Top 9.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Yeah JTC has done everything you could have asked for this playoff run. He gets shit on here a bunch but the reality is he's a pretty effective 3rd liner and is showing his worth this playoff run.


He's probably the 3C next year. One thing we've noticed from Bednar especially this playoff run is he likes having two guys on each line that can play Center or at least take a faceoff.... I'll continue pounding the table for Nick Paul as a UFA target this summer. Would be a fantastic fit on the 3rd line here, with Lehky forming that trio.


Nuke - Mack - Landy
Mikko - ???? - Newhook
Lehky - JTC - Paul



Find a quality 2C and that is once again a phenomenal Top 9.

Can’t forget Meyers either

 

[dmac7719]

Yeah JTC has done everything you could have asked for this playoff run. He gets shit on here a bunch but the reality is he's a pretty effective 3rd liner and is showing his worth this playoff run.


He's probably the 3C next year. One thing we've noticed from Bednar especially this playoff run is he likes having two guys on each line that can play Center or at least take a faceoff.... I'll continue pounding the table for Nick Paul as a UFA target this summer. Would be a fantastic fit on the 3rd line here, with Lehky forming that trio.


Nuke - Mack - Landy
Mikko - ???? - Newhook
Lehky - JTC - Paul



Find a quality 2C and that is once again a phenomenal Top 9.

I'd switch Lekh and Newhook. I think it's becoming pretty obvious that Bednar will have Lehk in the top 6 again

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think you can win with a defensive system and good goaltending with a low end/borderline 1C like ROR with the Blues or Sykora/Gomez with the Devils.

But it's a lot harder to win with a low end/ borderline 1D, and a poor defense, no matter how good your 1C is. I think we've seen that with the Leafs and Oilers.

They're all important, but they're not equally important. That's not how things usually break down. 1D/Defense is the most important to becoming a champion IMO.

I mean Pittsburgh won without a 1D. So did Carolina. Obviously having both is necessary but while Toronto and Edmonton are examples of lack if D, Nashville and Carolina are examples of the opposite.

 

[Muffin]

If Kadri is willing to take a discount to stay what’s the highest AAV you’d give him? 7M?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Can’t forget Meyers either

He's the 4C for me next year. To start at least. No doubt injuries will give him a chance to earn a bigger role but I don't like the idea of penciling him into the Top 9 right away honestly.

 

[The Abusement Park]

He's the 4C for me next year. To start at least. No doubt injuries will give him a chance to earn a bigger role but I don't like the idea of penciling him into the Top 9 right away honestly.

Yeah I’m with yeah.

Mack
xxxx
JTC/Newhook
Meyers

I think that’s what we’re looking at next year.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'd switch Lekh and Newhook. I think it's becoming pretty obvious that Bednar will have Lehk in the top 6 again

Nah, if Newhook is gonna be a valuable player to this team it's going to come from Top 6 minutes.


You gotta give him the opportunity and see what he can do with it. Lehky we know will still provide lots of value from a 3rd line role but if you're not gonna play Newhook in the Top 6 IMO you might as well trade him for someone who will.



The nice thing about it is if Newhook doesn't do well you could have two guys that can easily move up to a 2nd line spot in Lehkonen and Nick Paul.

 

[ABasin]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but a quick question in regards to the Avs extending players' contracts, particularly that of MacKinnon:

It's my understanding that teams can sign/extend RFAs or UFAs who are in the last year of their contract(s) more or less any time they want. However, players (like MacKinnon) can't be extended until they are in the last year of their existing contract.

Question: When does that begin? Or to the point: when can the Avs extend MacKinnon? Is it right after the current season ends? Or is there a FA period that officially begins after a season ends?

Thanks in advance.

-AB

 

[The Abusement Park]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but a quick question in regards to the Avs extending players' contracts, particularly that of MacKinnon:

It's my understanding that teams can sign/extend RFAs or UFAs who are in the last year of their contract(s) more or less any time they want. However, players (like MacKinnon) can't be extended until they are in the last year of their existing contract.

Question: When does that begin? Or to the point: when can the Avs extend MacKinnon? Is it right after the current season ends? Or is there a FA period that officially begins after a season ends?

Thanks in advance.

-AB

Mack can be re signed July 1 if I’m not mistaken.

 

[Avsboy]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but a quick question in regards to the Avs extending players' contracts, particularly that of MacKinnon:

It's my understanding that teams can sign/extend RFAs or UFAs who are in the last year of their contract(s) more or less any time they want. However, players (like MacKinnon) can't be extended until they are in the last year of their existing contract.

Question: When does that begin? Or to the point: when can the Avs extend MacKinnon? Is it right after the current season ends? Or is there a FA period that officially begins after a season ends?

Thanks in advance.

-AB

It's at the beginning of FA period, whenever that is this year

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Mack can be re signed July 1 if I’m not mistaken.

Normally it's July 1st because Free Agency marks the beginning of a new calender year for the NHL.


But with this year going later due to covid I think it's probably July 13th, as that's the day that officially starts the 2022/23 season.

 

[dmac7719]

Nah, if Newhook is gonna be a valuable player to this team it's going to come from Top 6 minutes.


You gotta give him the opportunity and see what he can do with it. Lehky we know will still provide lots of value from a 3rd line role but if you're not gonna play Newhook in the Top 6 IMO you might as well trade him for someone who will.



The nice thing about it is if Newhook doesn't do well you could have two guys that can easily move up to a 2nd line spot in Lehkonen and Nick Paul.

Gonna disagree here, I'd say he deserves an opportunity if deserves an opportunity, a top 6 spot should not be handed to him. As excited as I am about what Newhook can and could bring to the Avs in the future, he has not done anything as of right now that warrants him getting anything more than just a quick glance if he should end up in the top 6. Now, this is my thoughts at the current moment, maybe he comes into training camp stepping up a tier of player like some players are able to do.
Lehk has appeared to have done everything asked of him in his role, has shown that the offense and fore checking doesn't decline when given more minutes and has shown during the end of the season and during this playoffs that he is able to play and keep up with some of the most talented offensive players in the entire league.
Lehk does provide a lot of value if he was a third liner, he just provides so much more in the role he is currently in, which is the top 6.

 

[Balthazar]

This is from Frank Seravalli

Bura is considerably higher than Nuke on the list, makes you wonder what's the perception of both players from the outside.

Even Manson is higher than Nuke.

Daily Faceoff’s first Top 50 Free Agents ranking of the summer, which uses sourced information and market intelligence to blend a list that factors in both potential impact and total potential dollars earned:

 

[The Abusement Park]

This is from Frank Seravalli

Bura is considerably higher than Nuke on the list, makes you wonder what's the perception of both players from the outside.

Even Manson is higher than Nuke.

Daily Faceoff’s first Top 50 Free Agents ranking of the summer, which uses sourced information and market intelligence to blend a list that factors in both potential impact and total potential dollars earned:

Keep it that way pls.

 

[Foppa2118]

I mean Pittsburgh won without a 1D. So did Carolina. Obviously having both is necessary but while Toronto and Edmonton are examples of lack if D, Nashville and Carolina are examples of the opposite.

Gonchar was still a good 1D with Pittsburgh's first cup team, and they also had a good D core with Letang, Goligoski, Boucher, and Hal Gill. In their later Cups Letang was very much a 1D and they also got good performances out of guys like Daley, Cole, and Scuderi.

Carolina was the biggest fluke Cup champion in the last 30+ years and if Nashville would have kept their D core and stuck with a defensive style, they might have been able to win with no high end centers. Poille is a very overrated GM IMO. Trading Seth Jones for RyJo has not worked for them.

 

[dmac7719]

This is from Frank Seravalli

Bura is considerably higher than Nuke on the list, makes you wonder what's the perception of both players from the outside.

Even Manson is higher than Nuke.

Daily Faceoff’s first Top 50 Free Agents ranking of the summer, which uses sourced information and market intelligence to blend a list that factors in both potential impact and total potential dollars earned:

I wonder if Seravalli does his rankings based on skill level and possibility of availability. I.e. he doesn't think Nuke leaves, so he's lower on the list

 

[Balthazar]

I wonder if Seravalli does his rankings based on skill level and possibility of availability. I.e. he doesn't think Nuke leaves, so he's lower on the list

No, read above the picture it's explained how he does it.

It's based on potential impact + how much they'll make.

So basically he thinks that Manson and Bura will make more and/or have a bigger impact on their team than Nuke.

 

[BobRossColton]

Re-sign Nuke and Manson, and go for Motte?

 

[The Pwnerer]

If we don't resign Nuke, we riot. No playing hard ball Joe, give that man a blank check and pray he enjoys the Colorado River way more then any beach could offer. Get him a Russian friend too if you have to, looking at you Malkin if Kadri walks.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Gonchar was still a good 1D with Pittsburgh's first cup team, and they also had a good D core with Letang, Goligoski, Boucher, and Hal Gill. In their later Cups Letang was very much a 1D and they also got good performances out of guys like Daley, Cole, and Scuderi.

Carolina was the biggest fluke Cup champion in the last 30+ years and if Nashville would have kept their D core and stuck with a defensive style, they might have been able to win with no high end centers. Poille is a very overrated GM IMO. Trading Seth Jones for RyJo has not worked for them.

Pitt won 1 cup without Letang.

As for Nashville they had only season truly made a cup run they’re season got ruined when their 1C went down. You can’t win alone purely on defense. You have to have an elite C or high end C depth at minimum and the same goes for the backend.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't think you can win a Cup without a high-end center. And I don't consider O'Reilly low-end by any means. He's an elite two-way center and Conn Smythe winner. He also presented the biggest challenge to the Avs' top guns thus far. It's not a coincidence both MacKinnon and Makar scored in bunches against Edmonton and Nashville and not a whole lot against St. Louis. Both O'Reilly and Buchnevich played a large role in that.

I also don't think you can really win without a legit top defenseman, though IMO they aren't as important as a top-end center. The Carolina Cup win was not just the fluke or fluke runs, it was a very weird time in league history when no one really knew how to build a team under the cap. It left things WIDE open--there's a reason both teams in that 2006 Cup Final weren't seen from again for a good long time. The closest a team has come in the modern era to win it without a legit #1 d-man is Vancouver, but even then Dan Hamhuis was playing out of his mind that season and sorta filled that role. Once his game came back down to Earth, the Canucks struggled mightily. They also had some tremendous center depth that got destroyed with injuries to Malhotra and later, Kesler.

 

[Vaslof]

No, read above the picture it's explained how he does it.

It's based on potential impact + how much they'll make.

So basically he thinks that Manson and Bura will make more and/or have a bigger impact on their team than Nuke.

What above picture?