Proposal: 2022 1st Overall for Matthew Tkachuk

[Frenzy31]

This thread would be dead long ago if someone made it Marner for 1OA instead.

Really needed to add this to this thread. Infuritority complex.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Yep. I don't think there is a guarantee that any player in this draft is going to better than Matthew Thachuk. That being said, I wouldn't trade the 1OA pick if Kraken end up with it. Or even a top-5 pick for that matter. Most teams picking that high are more than a Matthew Tkachuk away from being competitive. The Kraken most certainly are. And it's better to have a cost controlled player while the team improves over the next few seasons.

Forget cost-controlled, just plain controlled. Tkatchuk is closing in on becoming a UFA. Absolutely no one is trading 7 guaranteed years for 1.

 

[Double Dion]

OP said specifically 1OA

Yup, I don't agree I'd trade that for Tkachuk. But others in the thread have suggested he isn't worth a top 5 pick. That isn't true in my opinion.

 

[Double Dion]

Forget cost-controlled, just plain controlled. Tkatchuk is closing in on becoming a UFA. Absolutely no one is trading 7 guaranteed years for 1.

Again, guaranteed control vs. potential control. If you think you can sign him you trade for that. If you think you can't, then you don't make the deal. Trading for Thornton with 1 year of control worked out pretty well for the Sharks 17 years ago. It also depends on what player you're trading 7 years of control of. If it's Wright and he projects as a Tavares type, you don't do that.

 

[KevinRedkey]

This thread would be dead long ago if someone made it Marner for 1OA instead.

Oh look.. a Leafs fan making it about them again.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Not outlandish to say that Tkachuk is a much more productive player than you’ll probably get out of one of the top 3 picks this year.

But trading one of those picks for a very very good player who is more than likely going to test the market and get his UFA value or walk could be a death sentence for any GM who would make a trade like that.

 

[AvroArrow]

2015-2019

A // McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Heiskanen, Makar, Petterson, Dahlin, Svechnikov, J Hughes
B // Marner, Hanifin, Laine, Dubois, Hischier
C // Strome, Puljujarvi, Juolevi, Patrick, Hayton, Kotkaniemi, Kakko, Dach, Byram, Turcotte

A group is worth more than Matthew Tkachuk. B group is worth about the same. C group is worth less. So ... yeah, I'd say Matt Tkachuk is exactly worth a typical 3OA or 5 OA pick.

Marner is easily better than Petterson, Svech and Hughes. Tkachuk also belongs in group A.

 

[Double Dion]

Marner is easily better than Petterson, Svech and Hughes. Tkachuk also belongs in group A.

Agreed. Svechnikov is the only one that is even debatable. He's better than Eichel and Dahlin too.

 

[Dead Coyote]

And a player that makes the others on his line much better.

Unless he can turn Travis Boyd into a 40g scorer I think I'll stick with Wright.

 

[SEALBound]

Not for Shane Wright who will presumably be the 1OV. If we're talking Owen Powers, I may be inclined to consider it based on the structure of my roster.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

only on HF does the first overall have more value than a guy on pace for almost 100 points

I feel like McDavid as 1st overall had more value then Crosby at the time

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I won't waste my time with the rest of this statement, but not according to points per game, any posession metrics, give aways vs. takeaways, blocked shots, time on ice, powerplay time and ppg, short handed time, faceoffs (Pettersson playing the more important center position and all), Calder, and oddly Byng, votes, and playoff performances.

Tkachuk wins in total points (due to having 2 years and 181 games more in his career) and hits, which he nails Pettersson and probably most players in.

Would love Tkachuk on the Canucks, but let's not get things twisted here.

This seems like a post begging to be fact-checked.

 

[periferal]

saying Matthew Tkachuk is worth a protected first rounder is the most HF thing ever.

Actually the "most HF thing ever" is a guy with a screen name of a specific player...Coming to a rabid defense of that player.

 

[periferal]

This thread would be dead long ago if someone made it Marner for 1OA instead.

...But it would be so much more fun.

 

[beowulf]

So if the Flames had the 1st overall pick, you'd trade it for Nazem Kadri?

The difference being one is 24 and an RFA this summer and the other is 31 and will be 32 early next season and a UFA,

 

[beowulf]

He clearly states 1st Oa pick in the title.

Tkatchuk isn't worth a top5 pick, he's a UFA at the end kf his contract and will be looking ar a BIG payday.

While it is arguable if he would be worth a top 5 pick, he is not a UFA at the end of his contract this summer but a RFA.

 

[CupInSIX]

If Ottawa wins the lottery, I'd consider 2nd or 3rd overall, but not 1st.

Even with a 7 year extension you wouldn't swap Wright for Matthew Tkachuk?

 

[Mersss]

While it is arguable if he would be worth a top 5 pick, he is not a UFA at the end of his contract this summer but a RFA.

He's a Tkachuk tho.

Look at his father and brother... He'll either sign a 1 year deal that bring him straight to UFA @ 9M$ a year, or an 8year 80+M$ a year contract. a top 5 pick with 7 years of control is worth more than that. Nothing against Tkatchuk, but the fact is, ELC players are worth a lot more now then ever, ESPECIALLY elite ELC players

 

[Mersss]

Even with a 7 year extension you wouldn't swap Wright for Matthew Tkachuk?

@ 10+M$ a year? Don't think so. Tkatchuk will be looking at Panarin type of $

 

[Double Dion]

He's a Tkachuk tho.

Look at his father and brother... He'll either sign a 1 year deal that bring him straight to UFA @ 9M$ a year, or an 8year 80+M$ a year contract. a top 5 pick with 7 years of control is worth more than that. Nothing against Tkatchuk, but the fact is, ELC players are worth a lot more now then ever, ESPECIALLY elite ELC players

His brother who signed in the least attractive market in the league long term for a reasonable cap hit? Not sure what your point is? Keith signed some very team friendly deals in AZ and STL. I'm also assuming your parents other children are reasonable and normal people. Not all siblings are alike.

 

[CupInSIX]

@ 10+M$ a year? Don't think so. Tkatchuk will be looking at Panarin type of $

Ask a Ranger fan which one of Panarin/Lafreniere they'd keep if they had to pick one.

 

[Mersss]

His brother who signed in the least attractive market in the league long term for a reasonable cap hit? Not sure what your point is? Keith signed some very team friendly deals in AZ and STL. I'm also assuming your parents other children are reasonable and normal people. Not all siblings are alike.

I wouldn't say 8.2M$ is a "Good" contract for a guy who's average PPG over his career is around 60pts a season. He brings other stuff to the table of course, but sill.

I do not see a rebuilding team being really itnrested in trading a top5 pick for a 10+M$ a year Winger

 

[ESH]

Tkachuk is significantly better than Petterson, Hughes and Dahlin. He's comparable to Eichel and Svechnikov.

Hanifin and Hischier aren't even remotely comparable. Hanifin is the 4th or 5th best defenseman for the Flames.

there is no chance you think that one of Gudbranson or Zadorov is better than Hanifin. I think Hanifin has a better argument as the Flames #2 than #5

 

[Double Dion]

there is no chance you think that one of Gudbranson or Zadorov is better than Hanifin. I think Hanifin has a better argument as the Flames #2 than #5

Gudbranson has been damn good this year. I hated the signing at the time, but he's been unreal. Hanifin is definitely not the #2. Kylington, Tanev and Andersson have all been significantly better.

 

[Double Dion]

I wouldn't say 8.2M$ is a "Good" contract for a guy who's average PPG over his career is around 60pts a season. He brings other stuff to the table of course, but sill.

I do not see a rebuilding team being really itnrested in trading a top5 pick for a 10+M$ a year Winger

Another Oilers fan who thinks you only measure points. 8M is a very good contract for what Brady brings.