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Prospect Info: [2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 2
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I wish we could gut all of that in favor of a bidet featuring a super comfortable backrest.
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I say this with no inside knowledge
No matter how good Shane Wright is, he's never going to have the personality where people love him and respect him as a leader. He's just not really the kind of personality that most teammates would want to hang out with outside of hockey.
Slafkovsky is the opposite. Habs brass seem to value locker room chemistry very heavily.
No matter how good Shane Wright is, he's never going to have the personality where people love him and respect him as a leader. He's just not really the kind of personality that most teammates would want to hang out with outside of hockey.
Slafkovsky is the opposite. Habs brass seem to value locker room chemistry very heavily.
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I went on vacation this summer and the only thing I missed was my bidet. True story. I wish they would make them portable. Sigh.Recency bias, minute sample size extrapolation and hyperbolic panic reactions are our stock in trade.
I wish we could gut all of that in favor of a bidet featuring a super comfortable backrest.
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You know something we don't? All of Wright's teammates seemed to love him from what I've heard.
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Did they go to his birhday party? Ha! See?
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I’m planning to get a bidet at the next place I’ll be moving to. You have me convinced.
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Looking at Slafs entire career stats Juraj Slafkovsky Stats and News
As a 13-14 years old player he dominated the U16 Slovakian league and did ok in the u18
As a 15-16 years old he did very good in the u18 and okish (although small sample) in the u20
As a 16-17 years old he was decent and had no impact in the Main League (although only 4 games sample)
As a 17 years old he was struggling in the Finland main league. 5 goals 6 assists in 35 game but was dominant in the u20
He went from scoring almost 2.5 points a game to like 0.3 points a game. Of course we shouldnt be expecting the same production from a 17 years in a league of men but its pretty clear from what we have seen so far is that this young prospect has alot of learning to do to be NHL ready. He's got some tools and is lacking some others. He needs to work on his craft. Hockey IQ for the NHL is not something easy to learn.
For me if we want him to become a dominant force in the NHL he needs at least 2-3 years of OHL and 2 years of AHL. He's gotta develop his agility level to match his size. He cant take 2 seconds to complete a deke, its gotta be instant and those things you perfect them in the minors not in the NHL.
Like St-Louis said, they want him to be the best in the draft at 23 years old. So we shouldnt be afraid to send him down.
As a 13-14 years old player he dominated the U16 Slovakian league and did ok in the u18
As a 15-16 years old he did very good in the u18 and okish (although small sample) in the u20
As a 16-17 years old he was decent and had no impact in the Main League (although only 4 games sample)
As a 17 years old he was struggling in the Finland main league. 5 goals 6 assists in 35 game but was dominant in the u20
He went from scoring almost 2.5 points a game to like 0.3 points a game. Of course we shouldnt be expecting the same production from a 17 years in a league of men but its pretty clear from what we have seen so far is that this young prospect has alot of learning to do to be NHL ready. He's got some tools and is lacking some others. He needs to work on his craft. Hockey IQ for the NHL is not something easy to learn.
For me if we want him to become a dominant force in the NHL he needs at least 2-3 years of OHL and 2 years of AHL. He's gotta develop his agility level to match his size. He cant take 2 seconds to complete a deke, its gotta be instant and those things you perfect them in the minors not in the NHL.
Like St-Louis said, they want him to be the best in the draft at 23 years old. So we shouldnt be afraid to send him down.
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I don't think OHL is in the cards for this management group. I'd be shocked
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SlafySZN
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Some people here are funny
2-3 years of OHL and 2 years of AHL
2-3 years of OHL and 2 years of AHL
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2-3 years of OHL and 2 years of AHL
No you're funny, St-Louis said they want him to be the best at 23. They know he's far from being ready
Unless you want a 4th liner... ?? This guy cannot play in the top 2 lines and he will struggle in the AHL as of right now. I will be more than happy to be wrong but i don't think i am.
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The most interesting thing is the fans’ reaction to Slafkovsky. Every time he touches the puck you can hear their excitement and anticipation. When’s the last time we had a player like that? Kovalev? Richer? This kid has enormous potential. Will he achieve it? That’s the question. But I always go with players with the highest upside. They’re the ones that win you championships.
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Caufield, actually.
But yes Slafkovsky’s potential is very high and he’s gonna make plays that will excites us and jump out of our seats.
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The fans are desperate for a hero. If Slaf is the type to keep improving and upgrading his repertoire then he might start slow but will have everyone on their feet before long.
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I don't know what is more funny; what you said or you, believing in what you said? I choose #2 ...
If I listen you, Slafkovsky is the next Stevenson, Ward or McCaron, he will not be ready until 23 and need two season in the OHL and 2 or 3 in the AHL after playing versus man all the last year and score a goal par game at the olympic and world champ; he will play versus 16-20 year old guy for 2 years and can't reach 80 points. And off course, Mesar, who said himself he need two more years, is already ready for the NHL and the next captain a la Koivu ...
We have been holding out out for one till the end of the night.
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So i specifically said if we want him to become a DOMINANT 1st liner... He's not ready for THAT role. Are you disagreeing with what i'm saying so far? I guess not, i think its a pretty rational assessment we can all agree on.
I think for him to become a DOMINANT 1st liner he really needs to dominate the OHL 2-3 years and another 2 years in the AHL.
You shouldnt laugh at what im saying, Montreal has NEVER developed a DOMINANT 1st liner in the past at least 30 years? the last one to succeed was Patioready and at the end we f***ed that one up too by naming him captain even though he dint deserve it.
Slaf is nowhere near good enough to play in the NHL, yes he played againts men in Liiga but he din't do much there.
Don't rush him, if we rush this guy he's going to 100% bust.
As for Mesar, Mesar does not have the same upside as Slaf. Mesar is alot closer to his ceiling than Slafs and his hockey IQ is at par with other 1st liners in the league if not better than some of them. Mesar's potential is a top 6 forward, 2nd center or 1st line winger, PP and PK specialist... where as Slaf's potential is to be a franchise player who's consistently top 5 in points in the NHL. The only problem is that he's not ready for that role yet.
Show me where im wrong
Dominant first liners start off by being something less. Other than a Crosby, Ovechkin or McDavid, they need reps against NHLers in order to hone their game.
If Guy Lafleur had been drafted at 18, he would have dominated earlier than 23. The two extra years in the Q continuing to skate around pylons did not help him be dominant in the NHL at age 20, nor 21, nor 22.
Guys have to go through good before hitting great. At the same time, dominating Junior and the AHL is not that meaningful. Community newspapers are full of thousands of stories of a local kid who was absolutely dominant at those levels and did little to nothing in the NHL. Literally THOUSANDS of guys who live working class lives but the asterix in their life was how they dominated non-elite players "back in the day".
Every player is different, but in general over decades, Top-2 picks who have a good chance to become dominant are generally playing in the NHL from the time they are drafted. There have been few exceptions, and they have been mainly defencemen or players who want to spend time in college as a personal priority.
If a guy can handle a top-9 role or is the play-driver on the fourth line, it is very, very rare to intentionally delay the NHL development of that player.
As for Mesar, I do not think he is good enough to play in the Habs top 12 yet, pantoute. He said it himself. It's either Junior or AHL for him, and I think AHL is the bigger challenge. If he can be in the top-9 of the AHL or the play driver of the 4th line, give him the AHL chance, otherwise Junior is probably better than ECHL, partly because of the WJC challenge.
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You are entitled to your own evaluation of the player, but if you think he needs 4-5 years before hitting the NHL, then he is unlikely to ever be a "dominant NHL first liner". Basically you project a career path for him that is typical of forwards picked in the mid second round or later.
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My god.
This board will have dudes evaluating his game every shift.
He just needs some time. He doesn't have to be a first liner this year or the next. Just keep him mid-6 and he'll do just fine. Hope that people will lower their standards too. He's not going to be a generational player like Crosby/Ovechkin. Just fn' no way. Hell, I don't even think he'd ever reach Kucherov's level. But time will tell.
With that said, I still think the NHL is the best place for him. Just being around MSL and the players we have right now. This isn't a toxic organization anymore.
This board will have dudes evaluating his game every shift.
He just needs some time. He doesn't have to be a first liner this year or the next. Just keep him mid-6 and he'll do just fine. Hope that people will lower their standards too. He's not going to be a generational player like Crosby/Ovechkin. Just fn' no way. Hell, I don't even think he'd ever reach Kucherov's level. But time will tell.
With that said, I still think the NHL is the best place for him. Just being around MSL and the players we have right now. This isn't a toxic organization anymore.
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