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Blue Jays GDT: 2021 v9 | Next: Wed, Aug 18 | @Wsh | 4:00pm ET/1:00pm PT | Berrios vs Gray

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Cloned said:
Nah, Desjardins is not significantly worse than say, the coach of my favourite team, Dave Tippett, who also blows playoff series with questionable decisions. But at least Desjardins and Tippett make rationally explainable decisions more than 50% of the time. Montoyo makes the WORST possible decision more than half the time. It's actually mindboggling. It'd be like if Desjardins not only didn't match lines, but he purposely left the 4th line out on the ice for 4 straight shifts.

It's not only a lack of logic and reason with Montoyo, it's that he makes decisions that are completely the opposite of what would be logical or reasonable. So not only is he not helping, he's actively hurting.
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I'm not going to go too far down a Canuck/Oiler discussion in the Jays thread but you pretty clearly haven't watched Desjardins up close.

Like, there have been Canuck coaches who are kinda bad who fit what you're saying - Green, Renney, and the like. Desjardins was on a different planet. It was like watching a dad coach bantam house hockey. And yes, it was actively terrible. Single-handedly lost a playoff series. Played his 4th line more than his 1st line at ES. Brandon Sutter on a top-unit PP for all 82 games in a season. It was the most out-of-his-depth coach/manager I've ever seen in any sport.

Anyhow, Montoyo is basically the same deal. He's just this friendly clown with no clue who's on a ride with a bunch of good young players.
 
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I would love to see shatkins fire Montoyo today much like the Devils fired Julien a week before the playoffs even though they were 2nd in the East. Lou Lam said this team wasn't ready for playoff hockey and much like the Jays currently are not ready for playoff baseball.

Montoyo is a bench coach at best who is the player's favorite uncle but not someone to lead a MLB team. He just isn't smart enough.
 
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MS said:
I'm not going to go too far down a Canuck/Oiler discussion in the Jays thread but you pretty clearly haven't watched Desjardins up close.

Like, there have been Canuck coaches who are kinda bad who fit what you're saying - Green, Renney, and the like. Desjardins was on a different planet. It was like watching a dad coach bantam house hockey. And yes, it was actively terrible. Single-handedly lost a playoff series. Played his 4th line more than his 1st line at ES. Brandon Sutter on a top-unit PP for all 82 games in a season. It was the most out-of-his-depth coach/manager I've ever seen in any sport.

Anyhow, Montoyo is basically the same deal. He's just this friendly clown with no clue who's on a ride with a bunch of good young players.
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I still think it’s different. Desjardins might have made some bad decisions, but he didn’t make the WORST possible choice a majority of the time like Montoyo does.

Put it this way: if Desjardins’ worst moves include using Sutter on the top PP unit, Montoyo’s would be the equivalent of using Jordie Benn instead of Quinn Hughes, and then pulling Demko for no reason in the third period of a tight game and putting in Holtby instead. And maybe putting Pettersson on the 4th line and playing him the last ten minutes of the third period in a game you’re trailing 6-0 in for good measure.

Desjardins made bad decisions. Montoyo makes the worst decisions that you didn’t even know a manager could actually make.
 
Cloned said:
I still think it’s different. Desjardins might have made some bad decisions, but he didn’t make the WORST possible choice a majority of the time like Montoyo does.

Put it this way: if Desjardins’ worst moves include using Sutter on the top PP unit, Montoyo’s would be the equivalent of using Jordie Benn instead of Quinn Hughes, and then pulling Demko for no reason in the third period of a tight game and putting in Holtby instead. And maybe putting Pettersson on the 4th line and playing him the last ten minutes of the third period in a game you’re trailing 6-0 in for good measure.
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Desjardins literally abdicated his last line change as the home coach in an NHL playoff series to let his opposite number dictate the matchups to pick his team apart. While playing Derek Dorsett more at ES than Daniel Sedin.

There has not been a worse display of coaching in the NHL in the last 50 years. He literally made no attempt to coach and 1-2-3-4ed his lines like a bantam house league coach.
 
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MS said:
Desjardins literally abdicated his last line change as the home coach in an NHL playoff series to let his opposite number dictate the matchups to pick his team apart. While playing Derek Dorsett more at ES than Daniel Sedin.

There has not been a worse display of coaching in the NHL in the last 50 years. He literally made no attempt to coach and 1-2-3-4ed his lines like a bantam house league coach.
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All that may be true, and Montoyo would STILL be worse. That’s how bad he is.

Imagine a NHL coach with the lead in the middle of the second period, and the other team starts amping up the pressure, and the coach’s response to that is to pull the goalie and play with 6 skaters to defend the lead. That’s the kind of nonsensical, counter-logic stuff that Montoyo pulls. Not even the worst NHL coach - and I’ve personally lived through the Dallas Eakins era in Edmonton - does that.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Berrios was acquired as much for the fact that he's under control next year as he was just to provide a boost this season.

Also you can't trash management for going for value propositions in the pen while applauding them for doing so at last year's deadline. It was the same basic type of trade, acquiring talented guys with warts or rough patches hoping they would bounce back. It's hypocritical to suggest that management was good for doing it with Walker/Ray and bad for doing it with the pen when deciding factor is hindsight.
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My mention was the team was dumpster diving all season for RPs when they needed to be aggressive. Too many games lost due to an inadequate pen. They had a massive hole tht needed addressed so they sadly have wasted 4 All Star performances this year because of the pen.

At the trade deadline is where you can grab SPs with warts and expiring contracts for pennies on the dollar as they will have limited starts.
 
MS said:
He's the 2nd worst I've seen. I can't even begin to explain the awfulness of Willie Desjardins, a coach who singlehandedly lost an NHL playoff series for his team by conceding last line change and matchup advantage on home ice.

Desjardins and Montoyo are cut from exactly the same cloth. Really nice guys who are good at building confidence in younger players but have absolutely no clue how to run a bench and make decisions at the highest level.

Dolis needs to be DFA'ed like yesterday.
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I'm convinced that Montoyo's fluency in Spanish was the leading factor in him getting the gig, because it sure as hell can't be his managerial skills.

He's been terrible, especially with how he handles that bullpen. Dolis must have some candid pics of him or something, there's no other reason that I can think of, for Montoyo to keep trotting him out there. :help:

Three appearances in the last week for Dolis, and in a combined single inning of work, he's allowed 6 hits, 5 walks, and 5 earned runs. No strikeouts, and they were all losses.

I heard this morning that the Jays have blown 27 leads this season. I'm not sure if that's 27 games, or if they've lost multiple leads in a single game, but either way it's not good.

Win even half of those games, and they're in such a better position than they are now.

Montoyo's gotta answer for the questionable decisions he's made from that dugout.
 
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It's a real f***ing disgrace that a manager cost us the season. Shame on management for not stepping up. I don't give a f*** how nice a guy is. Its about winning. Montoya is an embarrassment. Ive been harping on him all year and even last. I remember some of you hating on me for it but I guess now everyone sees it. He's just a loser. period. He loses and that's what he's good at.
 
Montoyo deserves a ton of blame but let's not forget that management didn't construct a solid bullpen. Granted, bullpens are riskier by nature but the risks they took didn't pan out at all. Yates, Chatwood, Phelps, Merryweather, Cole, and I might be forgetting a few, were mostly injured or in the case of Chatwood sucked.
 
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canucksfan said:
What's the accuracy of the robot umps they are using in the minors?
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I tried looking it up but can't find a tracked figure for this season.

But honestly, it can't be that bad, can it?

I'd take the scorecard's stated league-wide averages of 94% accurate and 96% consistent if those figures held fairly steady and you didn't see strong deviations randomly from game to game (or especially strong deviations from particular ump to particular ump I'm looking at you Angel.)

It'd be nice to know the Z score/standard deviation on the Ump Scorecard results to know how big of a deal Hernandez' 4% accuracy drop is in context.
 
The Nemesis said:
I tried looking it up but can't find a tracked figure for this season.

But honestly, it can't be that bad, can it?

I'd take the scorecard's stated league-wide averages of 94% accurate and 96% consistent if those figures held fairly steady and you didn't see strong deviations randomly from game to game (or especially strong deviations from particular ump to particular ump I'm looking at you Angel.)

It'd be nice to know the Z score/standard deviation on the Ump Scorecard results to know how big of a deal Hernandez' 4% accuracy drop is in context.
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I read somewhere where it was 99% effective but I could be way off.
 
MS said:
Jesus, just tuned in to see the HR celebration and 3-0 before there's an out.
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This is basically Montoyo’s chickens coming home to roost. All the stuff he’s gotten away with this season because his roster has bailed him out is all turning back on him all at once.
 
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