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WJC: 2021 Sweden Roster Talk

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Perfect_Drug said:
I get it.

But I guess, I was more or less trying to say that maybe handedness on the powerplay doesn't matter as much as people seem to think.

The Oilers PP was a simple 1-3-1 setup that was all about quick puck movement through the box to force collapses, and breaking into the slot. Same setup Boston, and Tampa used.

I can see trying to line up the handedness if you're really pushing for a stationary PP built off of a point shot, but IMHO it's a pretty garbage setup,and hasn't been effective in a decade.
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I do actually think handedness is generally overrated, but I’d think the powerplay is the place it matters the most. One-timers will never go out of style and if you want them done properly, you need people with the sticks in the right position.

Obviously, if you have enough talent you can make it work, but again, it’s not ideal.
 
Statsy said:
I do actually think handedness is generally overrated, but I’d think the powerplay is the place it matters the most. One-timers will never go out of style and if you want them done properly, you need people with the sticks in the right position.

Obviously, if you have enough talent you can make it work, but again, it’s not ideal.
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Literally everyone noticed this move Draisaitl did last year:
(two-timer?)


After the game half of the league started practicing this exact same move right after that game.


I guarantee these Junior players have been practicing this move all summer as well.
 
Of all the arguments I’ve been drawn into of this forum, this one is the least worthwhile. I made a simple, logical comment about having SOME level of designed handedness on a PP and you jumped all over it... mostly because you misunderstood what I was originally saying and thought I was slagging the Oilers powerplay, which I wasn’t. If you want to set up your team’s PP with five lefties, be my guest. Just don’t expect it to become the new trend.
 
AB13 said:
7-1 against the Czechs looks really good now
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Yeah i was thinking that it might be Russias year at first but now that has changed for sure. You got a super strong team depth wise compared to most teams except maybe Canada. I just have this strong gut feel about it.
 
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MiroPRKL said:
Yeah i was thinking that it might be Russias year at first but now that has changed for sure. You got a super strong team depth wise compared to most teams except maybe Canada. I just have this strong gut feel about it.
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This team are very weak at center compared to Canada, Russia and the US, but otherwise we have got what it takes to win. Some top quality defensemen like Söderström, Broberg and Björnfot and great scorers on the wing like Raymond, Holtz, Gunler, Olausson, Nybeck. Two great goalies as well.
 
AB13 said:
This team are very weak at center compared to Canada, Russia and the US, but otherwise we have got what it takes to win. Some top quality defensemen like Söderström, Broberg and Björnfot and great scorers on the wing like Raymond, Holtz, Gunler, Olausson, Nybeck. Two great goalies as well.
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That's alot of elite talent compared to us for example we have 3.. Lambert, Lundell, Heinola. Feels bad to have a struggling team this year but oh well :(
 
MiroPRKL said:
That's alot of elite talent compared to us for example we have 3.. Lambert, Lundell, Heinola. Feels bad to have a struggling team this year but oh well :(
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Finland can still win. You always have tactical discipline and hard work in big medal round games. You have done well without great players too many times for people to not see you as a contender. On paper though, it will be tough. I think you will end up 4th or 5th.
 
AB13 said:
Finland can still win. You always have tactical discipline and hard work in big medal round games. You have done well without great players too many times for people to not see you as a contender. On paper though, it will be tough. I think you will end up 4th or 5th.
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Yeah.. Well i'm rooting for you guys to get one this year if we don't :)
 
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AB13 said:
This team are very weak at center compared to Canada, Russia and the US, but otherwise we have got what it takes to win. Some top quality defensemen like Söderström, Broberg and Björnfot and great scorers on the wing like Raymond, Holtz, Gunler, Olausson, Nybeck. Two great goalies as well.
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I still don't get why they don't try Raymond at center, though. He's got all the tools to be a great center. It's a waste to see Broberg skate past him with the puck, or him tapping the stick to get a pass. He should be the one distributing it, and the one who brings it from d-zone to o-zone.
 
swedehollow said:
I still don't get why they don't try Raymond at center, though. He's got all the tools to be a great center. It's a waste to see Broberg skate past him with the puck, or him tapping the stick to get a pass. He should be the one distributing it, and the one who brings it from d-zone to o-zone.
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I agree. There is no reason for Raymond to not be a center considering the lack of creativity and skill we have there. At least play a creative player like Niederbach with Raymond and Holtz if you want Raymond on the wing, playing them with Sundsvik is a waste.
 
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I don't think moving Raymond to center would be a good idea. Especially not in a short tournament like this. I'd consider it if one of Costmar or Niederbach got injured.

Don't think Sundsvik is anywhere near qualified to play between Raymond and Holtz though. He's a 4th liner most years and showed it last game. Costmar was the best center by far against the Czechs, his line was really good so I'd probably leave him there and give Niederbach a go on the top line. (I fully expect Sundsvik to play on the top line the entire tournament though....).

Gunler and Olausson should be awarded more ice time. They stood out against the Czechs.
 
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joe89 said:
They were good for 25 minutes in that game, even the goalie.
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They did, but the Czechs didn't play that very strict trap game against Sweden. They kept the Russians to the outside much better and faced almost no odd man rushes. They were more agressive in their first game allowing it to be lot more open.
 
VictorLustig said:
I don't think moving Raymond to center would be a good idea. Especially not in a short tournament like this. I'd consider it if one of Costmar or Niederbach got injured.

Don't think Sundsvik is anywhere near qualified to play between Raymond and Holtz though. He's a 4th liner most years and showed it last game. Costmar was the best center by far against the Czechs, his line was really good so I'd probably leave him there and give Niederbach a go on the top line. (I fully expect Sundsvik to play on the top line the entire tournament though....).

Gunler and Olausson should get awarded more ice time. They stood out against the Czechs.
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Raymond is the fastest player of all forwards and is the one who has the highest hockey-IQ. He can get deep in the o-zone and still get back to defend. He is the epitome of a good center. He is the best player to start a transition. It's a short turney, yes. But give it a few shifts against Austria (with Gunler and Soderblom as his wingmen). The didn't get any preliminaries, so this is the chance to try if they want to.
 
AB13 said:
This team are very weak at center compared to Canada, Russia and the US, but otherwise we have got what it takes to win. Some top quality defensemen like Söderström, Broberg and Björnfot and great scorers on the wing like Raymond, Holtz, Gunler, Olausson, Nybeck. Two great goalies as well.
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Don't sleep on Theodor Niederbach. That kid was the 3rd line center against Czech republic and he was playing like the 1st line center. He's really, really talented.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
Don't sleep on Theodor Niederbach. That kid was the 3rd line center against Czech republic and he was playing like the 1st line center. He's really, really talented.
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Yes, it’s puzzling me as to why he was taken off of that first line. Hopefully we see Niederbach with a second look after the Sundsvik experiment didn’t yield great results.
 
I'd love to see a forward line shuffle for Sweden. Sundsvik should be their 3rd or 4th line center, and I'd toy with the idea of splitting up Raymond and Holtz. This would allow them to have a 1A/1B first line.

Holmstrom - Costmar - Holtz
Olausson/Soderblom - Niederbach -Raymond
Olausson/Soderblom - Sundsvik - Gunler
Heineman - Bjerselius - Wikstrom/Nybeck
 
Statsy said:
Yes, it’s puzzling me as to why he was taken off of that first line. Hopefully we see Niederbach with a second look after the Sundsvik experiment didn’t yield great results.
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I think Team Sweden are worried about his defensive play.

IMO you could see it against the Czechs early in the game, when the Czechs were playing well how the Niederbach line lost the count in the defensive zone. They were great whilst in the Ozone, but I think they (he) will struggle vs better teams.
 
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Reposting my post from the Czech-Swe GDT thread:

I am positively surprised by quite a few guys really finding a home on narrower ice. Costmar, Söderblom among them. Also liked what I saw from Olausson and Gunler. Söderström even better than I expected - can't remember a single missed pass and he controls pace and game flow so smoothly.

We will be called on the center problem. Best 3 centers at home (Ljungman should have been picked) from an already shallow group. Niederbach is a top-end talent, but not a natural center. Yesterday he had difficulties with positioning and became indecisive.

I say it again, especially after last night's game: Separate 10 and 18. Raymond was carrying deadweight last night. And avoid playing Broberg behind him - Broberg's offensive and puck carrying qualities are much better utilised behind other lines 5vs5.

Raymond needs to play with players who have "flow" and confidence. And/Or dig out pucks for him. Test, test, test. Raymond-X-Söderblom. X not being Niederbach or Sundsvik.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
I'd love to see a forward line shuffle for Sweden. Sundsvik should be their 3rd or 4th line center, and I'd toy with the idea of splitting up Raymond and Holtz. This would allow them to have a 1A/1B first line.

Holmstrom - Costmar - Holtz
Olausson/Soderblom - Niederbach -Raymond
Olausson/Soderblom - Sundsvik - Gunler
Heineman - Bjerselius - Wikstrom/Nybeck
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I really wouldn't want to split Niederbach and Söderblom, I think they work well together. I'm all for splitting Raymond and Holtz though, I had forgotten how much I dislike seeing them together until the Czech game.

I've always felt that Raymond works best with a winger that drives hard to the net (think NSH - Arvidsson type of play) instead of a sniper.

Honestly, they really should split Holtz and Raymond on the PP as well.
Raymond on the right side just doesn't work, he should be either behind the net or on the left side. And quite frankly it's hard to build a successful PP when the supposed trigger man (Holtz) doesn't like to one-time it but instead needs to stand and aim. I think PP1 will be a big issue when they start facing tougher competition unless they switch it up.
 
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