2021 Roster Thread XIX - Who's In Net

[DancingPanther]

I think Myers has the potential to be our best blue line/cycle stopper. He already flashes the smarts and skating ability to effectively manage gaps and angles.

The difference between good-great and "not a liability" for him will lie mainly in the development of his transition game and offensive blue line poise

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Prepare for disappointment say the guys who smugly insisted we should be disappointed two summers ago when NJ got Subban and Philly got Niskanen and Braun.

Miscellaneous NHL Talk XXVI 2018-19 Offseason: The Draftening

"Something something I only bring up Subbam when there is a direct, obvious corrilation."

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Is it just wishful thinking that we could find a d man who can crush guys down low and take the puck away and then not be a liability making the first pass? Points are nice and all, as are pp skills, but I'd really like somebody who is a beast in our own end but doesn't treat the puck like a hot potato lol. It would be nice to play keep away for 60 minutes but at some point you need to take the puck away from the other team forcefully. Or is that just my inner dinosaur coming out...

The problem is there aren't many of those floating around and never nearly enough to go around.

 

[BritainStix]

Who we should be targetting is Tomas Hertl for a second line centre.

27 years old, top line C for the offensively inept sharks on a one year 5 mil deal. Good size too. Absolutely perfect as a 2nd centre behind Coots, and the ask is 1st + prospect.

Fletcher should be all over that.

Giroux - Coots - Konecny
Farabee - Hertl - Voracek
Frost - Hayes - Lindblom
Laughton - Patrick - AK

If Patrick breaks out then we move Hayes to the wing. If not, he's a perfectly adequate 4th line centre.

Significantly less risk than Eichel, and won't take half of the assets to get him.

 

[TheKingPin]

Who we should be targetting is Tomas Hertl for a second line centre.

27 years old, top line C for the offensively inept sharks on a one year 5 mil deal. Good size too. Absolutely perfect as a 2nd centre behind Coots, and the ask is 1st + prospect.

Fletcher should be all over that.

Giroux - Coots - Konecny
Farabee - Hertl - Voracek
Frost - Hayes - Lindblom
Laughton - Patrick - AK

If Patrick breaks out then we move Hayes to the wing. If not, he's a perfectly adequate 4th line centre.

Significantly less risk than Eichel, and won't take half of the assets to get him.

I am all for targeting a center over all else and feel Hertl could be a ppg player here.

We can resign him after we kick out Hayes. Also can’t believe we signed Laughton to that deal expecting him to play 4th line instead of trading him. So dumb.

 

[Flyer lurker]

I am all for targeting a center over all else and feel Hertl could be a ppg player here.

We can resign him after we kick out Hayes. Also can’t believe we signed Laughton to that deal expecting him to play 4th line instead of trading him. So dumb.

5.125m gets RNH. and we get Laughton for 3lw/4c for 3m. Its a bold strategy Cotton.

 

[Tripod]

5.125m gets RNH. and we get Laughton for 3lw/4c for 3m. Its a bold strategy Cotton.

And yet:

This year:
RNH 15 ES pts in 52 games
Scotty 19 ES pts in 53 games

1 year ago:
RNH 37 ES pts in 65 games
SL 27 ES pts in 49 games= 36 in 65

And RNH spent his most TOI the last 2 years with Drai, Yamamoto, and McDavid....and Nurse on D:
591 minutes with Drai
532 with Yam
456 with McDavid
679 with Nurse

Laughts most common was Hayes, JVR and Farabee....Provy on D.

 

[TheKingPin]

5.125m gets RNH. and we get Laughton for 3lw/4c for 3m. Its a bold strategy Cotton.

That’s a lot of cash for a guy you know is best suited for 4th wing. He can play up so that’s good enough for some money but not what he got plus the lost trade assets.

 

[Curufinwe]

Laughton hasn’t played at or produced at a 4th line level since 17-18.

 

[Rebels57]

I'd really like to see Myers develop into that guy. He has the chops, he just needs to put it together. He's still young and inexperienced, I think there is room for him to grow. I'm also wary of dropping big money under pressure for change and the UFA hangover that most guys seem to get.

Myers needs a good D coach to actually help develop his game. The raw tools are there. We dont have that.

 

[Rebels57]

Who we should be targetting is Tomas Hertl for a second line centre.

27 years old, top line C for the offensively inept sharks on a one year 5 mil deal. Good size too. Absolutely perfect as a 2nd centre behind Coots, and the ask is 1st + prospect.

Fletcher should be all over that.

Giroux - Coots - Konecny
Farabee - Hertl - Voracek
Frost - Hayes - Lindblom
Laughton - Patrick - AK

If Patrick breaks out then we move Hayes to the wing. If not, he's a perfectly adequate 4th line centre.

Significantly less risk than Eichel, and won't take half of the assets to get him.

Probably cost 13th overall and Frost for Hertl.

 

[JABEE]

I'm already disappointed and the offseason hasn't even begun.

 

[Starat327]

I'm already disappointed and the offseason hasn't even begun.

I found the new Flyers fan. Welcome aboard, friend.

 

[deadhead]

Laughton hasn’t played at or produced at a 4th line level since 17-18.

And he's first pair on the PK.

But I guess he isn't flashy, I mean 1.94 pp/60 over a three year period at ES is, oh, 2nd line production, but just doesn't make enough ESPN highlight plays. And over 184 games, things like S% tend to even out (that is, if you can maintain a high S% over that long a period, probably not a fluke).

Flyers' problem isn't the forwards, 3 year pp/60:
Couts 2.68, Voracek 2.51, G 2.36, JVR 2.34, TK 2.26, Farabee 2.25, Hayes 2.04, Laughton 1.94, Lindblom 1.80
NAK 1.49, Patrick 1.36

While Voracek, G and JVR are risks to fall off this pace given their age, TK, Farabee, Lindblom are good bets to improve.
Patrick ???
Laczynski, Allison and Frost are good bets to be 1.8+ scorers (unless Laczynski stays at 4C).

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I found the new Flyers fan. Welcome aboard, friend.

exactly..

you'll go numb to it soon..

5 years away from 5 years away... not even kidding..

 

[Adam Warlock]

Myers needs a good D coach to actually help develop his game. The raw tools are there. We dont have that.

That infuriates me. All the talk of patience and allowing guys to be "seasoned" in the AHL during the Hextall years was such bullshit. The AHL, or at least the phantoms, is NOT a development league. All of our young players that spent time on the phantoms have shown zero benefit from it....in fact id argue it hurt some of their development.

Fundamental skills and positioning, preparing your body for a long physical season, overcoming adversity...these are things players should learn in the minors. Myers shouldnt need an NHL coach to teach him basics...he should have been taught that in LV.

Hextall drafted well, but he failed to oversee successful development of his talent.

 

[Rebels57]

That infuriates me. All the talk of patience and allowing guys to be "seasoned" in the AHL during the Hextall years was such bullshit. The AHL, or at least the phantoms, is NOT a development league. All of our young players that spent time on the phantoms have shown zero benefit from it....in fact id argue it hurt some of their development.

Fundamental skills and positioning, preparing your body for a long physical season, overcoming adversity...these are things players should learn in the minors. Myers shouldnt need an NHL coach to teach him basics...he should have been taught that in LV.

Hextall drafted well, but he failed to oversee successful development of his talent.

Good teams develop well at the AHL level but also keep improving players on their NHL team.

 

[Tripod]

That infuriates me. All the talk of patience and allowing guys to be "seasoned" in the AHL during the Hextall years was such bullshit. The AHL, or at least the phantoms, is NOT a development league. All of our young players that spent time on the phantoms have shown zero benefit from it....in fact id argue it hurt some of their development.

Fundamental skills and positioning, preparing your body for a long physical season, overcoming adversity...these are things players should learn in the minors. Myers shouldnt need an NHL coach to teach him basics...he should have been taught that in LV.

Hextall drafted well, but he failed to oversee successful development of his talent.

Don't worry, we have Stewart now to help develop kids....

 

[Magua]

Laughts most common was Hayes, JVR and Farabee....Provy on D

So…..the 2nd line then? I don’t know why top 6 Laughton is still a good thing. It might be debatable if he’s even a top 9 forward on this team next year, with Frost and Allison and a healthy Oskar. For all the talk of his previous high water mark year, he only outscored NAK, Raffl, and Patrick on a rate basis last season at 5v5.

 

[Tripod]

So…..the 2nd line then? I don’t know why top 6 Laughton is still a good thing. It might be debatable if he’s even a top 9 forward on this team next year, with Frost and Allison and a healthy Oskar. For all the talk of his previous high water mark year, he only outscored NAK, Raffl, and Patrick on a rate basis last season at 5v5.

No.

Laughton was 7th in ES toi/game this year. He was 7th the year before.

No one is saying Laughton in the top 6 is a desired. But reality is he has played there due to issues with Lindblom, Frost, and Patrick. We ALL should want these 3...and Allison to be better than Laughton. But given that we have been trying to fix our C depth for years and still have so much uncertainty, re-signing the fallback option isn't a big surprise. Especially when we could be losing a F to the ED for nothing.

I 100% had no issue trading Laughton at the deadline. But you can bet Fletch is scared that Frost and Patrick...and maybe others have issues again. Even Allison and Laczynski....have yet to prove they can stay healthy. So that is 5 question marks when it comes to health from your top 14 forwards AND possibly losing 1 in the ED. And then add in are G and Couts re-signing? So he hedged his bet and kept a "reliable" fall back option for #3C who can also play wing and is in his prime.

Hopefully all those question marks are erased this coming year and we are overflowing with talent and we can do a quantity for quality deal.

 

[The Madrigal]

No.

Laughton was 7th in ES toi/game this year. He was 7th the year before.

No one is saying Laughton in the top 6 is a desired. But reality is he has played there due to issues with Lindblom, Frost, and Patrick. We ALL should want these 3...and Allison to be better than Laughton. But given that we have been trying to fix our C depth for years and still have so much uncertainty, re-signing the fallback option isn't a big surprise. Especially when we could be losing a F to the ED for nothing.

I 100% had no issue trading Laughton at the deadline. But you can bet Fletch is scared that Frost and Patrick...and maybe others have issues again. Even Allison and Laczynski....have yet to prove they can stay healthy. So that is 5 question marks when it comes to health from your top 14 forwards AND possibly losing 1 in the ED. And then add in are G and Couts re-signing? So he hedged his bet and kept a "reliable" fall back option for #3C who can also play wing and is in his prime.

Hopefully all those question marks are erased this coming year and we are overflowing with talent and we can do a quantity for quality deal.

For some reason people either ignore or just fail to realize that Laughton has been one of the Flyers most productive forwards at even strength over the last few years. He cemented himself as a really good 3rd line option a long time ago. They also didn't give him the contract they did to regularly be the 4th line center.

 

[Magua]

No.

Laughton was 7th in ES toi/game this year. He was 7th the year before.

No one is saying Laughton in the top 6 is a desired. But reality is he has played there due to issues with Lindblom, Frost, and Patrick. We ALL should want these 3...and Allison to be better than Laughton. But given that we have been trying to fix our C depth for years and still have so much uncertainty, re-signing the fallback option isn't a big surprise. Especially when we could be losing a F to the ED for nothing.

I 100% had no issue trading Laughton at the deadline. But you can bet Fletch is scared that Frost and Patrick...and maybe others have issues again. Even Allison and Laczynski....have yet to prove they can stay healthy.

He's 7th on a technicality. His most common linemates were Hayes, JVR, and Farabee -- as you said. His 5v5 ice time per game is mere seconds shy of Konecny and Hayes, with Farabee almost a full minute behind them. The difference between Laughton and Farabee (8th) is more than Laughton and Couturier/Giroux. Usage isn't as clear cut as line 1-2-3-4 these days, but there's a clear top 7 forwards, with rotation. My point was just that his scoring, sustainable or otherwise, needs context. And I don't buy that his usage isn't in line with that of a top forward. Meanwhile, Farabee was one of the top 15 5v5 point producers in the league.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think 5 year contracts come from precautionary measures. Even if we lose a forward in expansion, Laughton might be in 9-10th forward territory in talent. His prior usage is not close to that.

 

[Tripod]

He's 7th on a technicality. His most common linemates were Hayes, JVR, and Farabee -- as you said. His 5v5 ice time per game is mere seconds shy of Konecny and Hayes, with Farabee almost a full minute behind them. The difference between Laughton and Farabee (8th) is more than Laughton and Couturier/Giroux. Usage isn't as clear cut as line 1-2-3-4 these days, but there's a clear top 7 forwards, with rotation. My point was just that his scoring, sustainable or otherwise, needs context. And I don't buy that his usage isn't in line with that of a top forward. Meanwhile, Farabee was one of the top 15 5v5 point producers in the league.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think 5 year contracts come from precautionary measures. Even if we lose a forward in expansion, Laughton might be in 9-10th forward territory in talent. His prior usage is not close to that.

AV runs 3 lines so it should not be surprising to see everone scrunched together.

Laughton played 3rd line C with JVR and Farabee when Couts was out....and the line played great. JVR was 4th in the league in scoring on the day Couts returned. Farabee was on a 62 point pace.

100% agreed Laughton could be 9th/10th in talent. And if Frost, Patrick, and Lindblom all had good years and Alllison/Laczynski could stay healthy, Laughton likely would have been traded at the deadline. But that didn't happen.

 

[Striiker]

When Couturier was out

 

[The Madrigal]

AV runs 3 lines so it should not be surprising to see everone scrunched together.

Laughton played 3rd line C with JVR and Farabee when Couts was out....and the line played great. JVR was 4th in the league in scoring on the day Couts returned. Farabee was on a 62 point pace.

100% agreed Laughton could be 9th/10th in talent. And if Frost, Patrick, and Lindblom all had good years and Alllison/Laczynski could stay healthy, Laughton likely would have been traded at the deadline. But that didn't happen.

I agree. I was fine with trading or re-signing Laughton. The lack of development from some of the young guys you mentioned most likely was a big factor in Laughton being re-signed as opposed to traded.