2021 NHL Draft Talk part 2

[Malaka]

That would be great, then a guy like Johnson or Edvinsson falls to the Hawks. I'd run to the podium if either were on the board.

Johnson at wing and Borgstrom at C would be an interesting combo.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Decisions aren't made that way.

if they have Lambos and xyz forward similar in value on their board and CBJ wants Beaudin in a deal you think that would have no impact on their decision in the slightest? not saying it would but its possible that could lean them toward lambos or another defenseman

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

if they have Lambos and xyz forward similar in value on their board and CBJ wants Beaudin in a deal you think that would have no impact on their decision in the slightest? not saying it would but its possible that could lean them toward lambos or another defenseman

Part of the reason Lambos is on my list is that the scouting reports I've read have him as the best defender right now out of all of the 1st round D.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Lambos would be an awful pick at 11.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Lambos would be an awful pick at 11.

We just don't see eye to eye on prospects.

I see him in mocks in the 13-17 range so while 11 might be a little high it's not too much of a reach.

 

[CallMeShaft]

If Musto doesn't want Lambos, then I know who I want at 11...

 

[Northernhawk]

K I'm gonna put my choices out again...2 cents if you will...

I did the same for last years draft which was the following

Trade up and draft Seth Jarvis(he was drafted at 13 by Carolina)
Stay at 17 and pick Noel Gunler(he went 41 to Carolina)
Trade down and draft JJ Peterka(he went 34 to Buffalo)
Hawks picked Lukas Reichel, who by all accounts was ranked where Peterka and Gunler were picked

So this year is here is my similar hopes...

Trade up and draft Brandt Clarke
Stay at 11 and pick Mason McTavis
Trade down and draft Matt Coronato

Thoughts?

 

[hawksrule]

K I'm gonna put my choices out again...2 cents if you will...

I did the same for last years draft which was the following

Trade up and draft Seth Jarvis(he was drafted at 13 by Carolina)
Stay at 17 and pick Noel Gunler(he went 41 to Carolina)
Trade down and draft JJ Peterka(he went 34 to Buffalo)
Hawks picked Lukas Reichel, who by all accounts was ranked where Peterka and Gunler were picked

So this year is here is my similar hopes...

Trade up and draft Brandt Clarke
Stay at 11 and pick Mason McTavis
Trade down and draft Matt Coronato

Thoughts?

I’m pretty sure that’s not true.

 

[CallMeShaft]

K I'm gonna put my choices out again...2 cents if you will...

I did the same for last years draft which was the following

Trade up and draft Seth Jarvis(he was drafted at 13 by Carolina)
Stay at 17 and pick Noel Gunler(he went 41 to Carolina)
Trade down and draft JJ Peterka(he went 34 to Buffalo)
Hawks picked Lukas Reichel, who by all accounts was ranked where Peterka and Gunler were picked

So this year is here is my similar hopes...

Trade up and draft Brandt Clarke
Stay at 11 and pick Mason McTavis
Trade down and draft Matt Coronato

Thoughts?

I'm fine with all these. Obviously trading up or down would demand on what it'd cost/what we'd get, but I don't hate the thought of targeting any of the three.

 

[Larmer83]

Lambos would be an awful pick at 11.

If Musto doesn't want Lambos, then I know who I want at 11...

Hey now. Play nice.

Awful is a bit strong but picking Lambos at 11 would be a reach as there are probably better options. The problem with Lambos is that the sample size in his draft year is too small. His injury shortened an already short WHL season and blew his lock on the U18 Canadian team. Although I like Lambos, the risk/reward does not justify #11.

 

[Northernhawk]

I’m pretty sure that’s not true.

Gunler 24 Peterka 25 Reichel 40 by THN

 

[Northernhawk]

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Gunler 24 Peterka 25 Reichel 40 by THN

Gunler at 13 Peterka 23 and a Reichel at 31 on one of the hockey writers blog...

Just saying

 

[CallMeShaft]

Hey now. Play nice.

Awful is a bit strong but picking Lambos at 11 would be a reach as there are probably better options. The problem with Lambos is that the sample size in his draft year is too small. His injury shortened an already short WHL season and blew his lock on the U18 Canadian team. Although I like Lambos, the risk/reward does not justify #11.

Musto's track record ain't looking too pretty these days. Strome, Nylander, and Mitchell have all disappointed to various levels (though they are all still young), and while no fault of anyone's, his two main guys this past draft (Rossi and Khustnutdinov) both had some health issues that hurt their D+1 season. So obviously Musto is one big ol' jinx.

Lambos is a reach now, but he was likely top ten (maybe top 5) before this past season started. Hawks love guys who had huge value and had said value drop just enough to be attainable. They could very well believe that Lambos' injury issues aren't of any concern and see him have a strong season in a year where he isn't playing in a new league in a shortened season (like he did this year, going from the WHL to overseas).

Having said that, who knows who we pick. I do know that Hawks like Kaiden Guhle last year, so maybe they feel a need for a physical LHD in the future. Don't know, but wouldn't be upset at Lambos being the guy at #11.

 

[Northernhawk]

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Gunler 24 Peterka 25 Reichel 40 by THN

Gunler at 13 Peterka 23 and a Reichel at 31 on one of the hockey writers blog...

Just saying

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

He thinks there is a concern that he goes full Blake Wheeler, especially because he's already used a year of NCAA eligibility.

So a guy is going to move his UFA eligibility back 3 years?

IMO, it would be smart to send him back for a year regardless. Sabres are gonna to suck regardless, and it'd be smart to keep him away from that shitshow.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Musto's track record ain't looking too pretty these days. Strome, Nylander, and Mitchell have all disappointed to various levels (though they are all still young), and while no fault of anyone's, his two main guys this past draft (Rossi and Khustnutdinov) both had some health issues that hurt their D+1 season. So obviously Musto is one big ol' jinx.

Lambos is a reach now, but he was likely top ten (maybe top 5) before this past season started. Hawks love guys who had huge value and had said value drop just enough to be attainable. They could very well believe that Lambos' injury issues aren't of any concern and see him have a strong season in a year where he isn't playing in a new league in a shortened season (like he did this year, going from the WHL to overseas).

Having said that, who knows who we pick. I do know that Hawks like Kaiden Guhle last year, so maybe they feel a need for a physical LHD in the future. Don't know, but wouldn't be upset at Lambos being the guy at #11.

None of these guys are in their prime yet. Saying my track record isn't looking good, just isn't true. Far too early.

And Kirby is one of my boys, don't forget. Though that doesn't help me in regard to your jinx comment. Wise and Norgdren were my boys too...

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

So a guy is going to move his UFA eligibility back 3 years?

IMO, it would be smart to send him back for a year regardless. Sabres are gonna to suck regardless, and it'd be smart to keep him away from that shitshow.

As long as he ends his contract at age 27 it doesn't matter. He's still a UFA. This isn't baseball.

 

[Larmer83]

Musto's track record ain't looking too pretty these days. Strome, Nylander, and Mitchell have all disappointed to various levels (though they are all still young), and while no fault of anyone's, his two main guys this past draft (Rossi and Khustnutdinov) both had some health issues that hurt their D+1 season. So obviously Musto is one big ol' jinx.

Lambos is a reach now, but he was likely top ten (maybe top 5) before this past season started. Hawks love guys who had huge value and had said value drop just enough to be attainable. They could very well believe that Lambos' injury issues aren't of any concern and see him have a strong season in a year where he isn't playing in a new league in a shortened season (like he did this year, going from the WHL to overseas).

Having said that, who knows who we pick. I do know that Hawks like Kaiden Guhle last year, so maybe they feel a need for a physical LHD in the future. Don't know, but wouldn't be upset at Lambos being the guy at #11.

Again, I like Lambos.

I think his Hockey IQ is very good. He knows where pressure is coming from and where a teammate is to alleviate the pressure with a simple pass. He can come away with the puck during a scrum along the boards without trying to overpower an opponent. No panic in his game

A really good skater... His edges are excellent. Really good backwards skater. He's just not the type of dman to do end-to-end rushes.

His passing is on the tape. He has good size. Plays both the PK and PP.

But it's a small sample size and it would have helped his draft stock immensely if he could have shown the above a full season in the WHL and the U18s.

Although he has the hockey IQ the Hawks favor, he won't physically develop from where he's at now. Think Dach and Reichel and how the Hawks look at development over 5 years from a draft year.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Are they doing On the Clock this year?

 

[bwana63]

Hawks picked Lukas Reichel, who by all accounts was ranked where Peterka and Gunler were picked

Nope

 

[Larmer83]

Gunler at 13 Peterka 23 and a Reichel at 31 on one of the hockey writers blog...

Just saying

Where did TSN/McKenzie have them ranked? In their D+1 years, Reichel > Peterka.

 

[hawksrule]

Gunler at 13 Peterka 23 and a Reichel at 31 on one of the hockey writers blog...

Just saying

Gunler at 13 Peterka 23 and a Reichel at 31 on one of the hockey writers blog...

Just saying

One opinion is not the same as “by all accounts”.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

As long as he ends his contract at age 27 it doesn't matter. He's still a UFA. This isn't baseball.

Don't you need 5 years of service if you're a drafted player? Regardless, if you get 7 years of service, you can be a UFA at 25, so no high lottery pick is going back to school for multiple years to avoid a bad team.

Only guy who I can think of who went back to school instead of a team wanting to play in NHLPA is Jack Johnson 15 years ago.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

This years Norris winner essentially did that

Got his way to NY like he wanted by threat of not signing

Fox was a 2nd round pick who wasn't going to play in the NHL until D+2/3 either way, which is very different from a top 3 pick.

The last guy high draft pick who did that was Blake Wheeler, but that was 15+ years ago and he was a total project. Is there someone else I am missing?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Don't you need 5 years of service if you're a drafted player? Regardless, if you get 7 years of service, you can be a UFA at 25, so no high lottery pick is going back to school for multiple years to avoid a bad team.

Only guy who I can think of who went back to school instead of a team wanting to play in NHLPA is Jack Johnson 15 years ago.

Nope, it's 5 years of service or age 27.