2021 NHL Draft Talk part 2

[Blackhawkswincup]

Anyone the Sabres draft going NCAA route are a high risk to pull it

Sabres organization is that toxic at this point

 

[Larmer83]

So any of the big three at Michigan selected by the Sabres, will forgo approximately about $3 million and pause free agency by 3 years to be a UFA upon graduation? I guess they could use that has leverage to force a trade but to categorize it as high risk is a bit much.

 

[RayP]

as others have said, could be him trying to push buffalo toward another player

Oh I know. I’d do the same shit if I were him.


Buffalo is terrible with Eichel, Risto, and Reinhardt and they’re all possibly gone by next season. Who in the world would want to go there?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

So any of the big three at Michigan selected by the Sabres, will forgo approximately about $3 million and pause free agency by 3 years to be a UFA upon graduation? I guess they could use that has leverage to force a trade but to categorize it as high risk is a bit much.

This years Norris winner essentially did that

Got his way to NY like he wanted by threat of not signing

 

[Larmer83]

This years Norris winner essentially did that

Got his way to NY like he wanted by threat of not signing

It's incumbent upon the team to perform due diligence. So if I were Buffalo, an interview needs to go into detail on the subject.

If the Hawks were interested in drafting Svechkov at 11, I would expect them to drill down on his expectations when his KHL contract expires after 2022-23.

 

[x Tame Impala]

College players should either…

1) not be draft eligible

or

2) must sign at least a 2 year contract with the team that drafted them.

I think this NCAA player option thing has gotten way out of hand. Even if the Hawks had the #1 pick this year I’d have a lot of reservations about drafting anyone who can choose to stay in school for 3 more years and then, without breaking any rules whatsoever, go sign with whatever team he wants and we lose him for next to nothing.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

College players should either…

1) not be draft eligible

or

2) must sign at least a 2 year contract with the team that drafted them.

I think this NCAA player option thing has gotten way out of hand. Even if the Hawks had the #1 pick this year I’d have a lot of reservations about drafting anyone who can choose to stay in school for 3 more years and then, without breaking any rules whatsoever, go sign with whatever team he wants and we lose him for next to nothing.

Disagree

Its risk you take drafting player going NCAA route

No different then potentially drafting a guy in Europe who may never come over

Comp pick setup for 1st round IMO is still best way to mitigate damage (We got a 2nd for Hayes not signing)

People would probably challenge it in courts if NHL ruled you must sign with team drafting you

 

[Drumman44]

This years Norris winner essentially did that

Got his way to NY like he wanted by threat of not signing

God I had forgotten about that. Can't imagine how much better Carolina's D would have been with him. Not bad for a third round pick.

 

[ClydeLee]

Disagree

Its risk you take drafting player going NCAA route

No different then potentially drafting a guy in Europe who may never come over

Comp pick setup for 1st round IMO is still best way to mitigate damage (We got a 2nd for Hayes not signing)

People would probably challenge it in courts if NHL ruled you must sign with team drafting you

It's stupid to me it only applies to 1st rounders though. It should go back til if he's a 7th only then you get nothing

 

[HockeySauce]

Anyone the Sabres draft going NCAA route are a high risk to pull it

Sabres organization is that toxic at this point

That's not really an issue for top-end draft prospects. There's a lot of incentive to sign your first NHL contract asap. Waiting 3 years to spurn a team as a first overall pick will only hurt his earning potential. Plus the risk of injury while waiting out those 3 years. Usually guys that take advantage of that loophole don't have an immediate path to an NHL spot.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

would be nice if college players were just RFAs if they do not want to sign...at least allow teams to get some compensation if possible...

 

[Malaka]

Let me get this straight. You wouldn't draft Owen Power in the TOP TEN, because he said he might want to play college hockey next year?

He's the closest defensive prospect to Victor Hedman since....well....Victor Hedman. Any team that passes him up is likely going to regret it. I think Power's FLOOR is a good #2, on a contender. There's not a team in the NHL that couldn't use what he will likely turn into.

The Sabres drafting Power with him going back to NCAA is risky because look at the mess that is Sabres

Everyone else drafting Power potentially would not have same concern

Only Sabres are team I could see a Hayes pulled on right now

and watch him defect to Chicago in a couple years. f*** it I’m calling it

 

[Malaka]

So any of the big three at Michigan selected by the Sabres, will forgo approximately about $3 million and pause free agency by 3 years to be a UFA upon graduation? I guess they could use that has leverage to force a trade but to categorize it as high risk is a bit much.

Just wanted to add upon that realization if anyone doesn’t think those 3 aren’t talking about and giving eachother grief in the locker room about the pending career Russian roulette they’re facing… just cmon.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

What's your preliminary list look like?

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Off the top of my head,

I'm not high on any of the forwards in this draft with the exception of Guenther.

Coronato might be boom, but he might be bust.

The top of the draft is too top heavy with top four potential defenseman and the two goalies will be starters in the NHL.

There's alot of stupid takes surrounding the forward prospects on this forum and I'm not buying into any of it.

Berniers has a high floor, but a low ceiling. That's not a FO pick when a top pairing defenseman is right there in Power or Edvinsson. I think McTavish is a better prospect.

And LOL at Lysell. He won't go top 20 and Raty will be drafted before him.

 

[hawksfan50]

Again ...Coronato is a long wait....4 years to getchis Harvard degree ...I doubt hevis a 2 and done...not when it is Harvard...you do not waste a Harvard education opportunity and I doubt he takes a basket weaving g major there...
So yes...while some Harvard grads chose to play in the NHL after graduation...maybef or a lifetime top job with a big corporation that lasts longer than ending an NHL career late 30s.? Alot may depend on what he studies there...if the arts ...probably choses hockey after graduation...if sciences or business maybe he decides for tge regular work world or to go on to grad school or law school or med school...Hawks would need to find out his intentions or possible post grad options..

But even if Hawks convinced he would play hockey Fter getting his degree ...it means a wait of 4 seasons till he goes to his first pro camp as a signed player...and if he torches things in college hockey then maybe after 4 seasons he feels he wants to go somewhere else than Chicago...pulls a K.Hayes on us.
The wait and the ufa risk are attached to drafting Coronato ...because of alk schools he could go to,Harvard is most likely to keep hom there 4 more seasons.

Do Hawks want that king of a wait plus the risk he may walk anyway?

I would rather we drafted Chibrikov and laughed at all the stupid GMs that passed on him...a combo of Marchand and Point...
Chibrikov probably 2 more seasons in Russia then comes over...

 

[ColbyChaos]

Yeah the kids a total wild card. I can't believe he would say something like this.....

He would if he doesnt want to get Buffalo'd

 

[ColbyChaos]

So any of the big three at Michigan selected by the Sabres, will forgo approximately about $3 million and pause free agency by 3 years to be a UFA upon graduation? I guess they could use that has leverage to force a trade but to categorize it as high risk is a bit much.

Also not being talked about is the "cheap RFA" contract is basically dead ever since McDavid, Draisaitl, and the Leafs trio got massive paydays after their ELCs

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Oh I know. I’d do the same shit if I were him.


Buffalo is terrible with Eichel, Risto, and Reinhardt and they’re all possibly gone by next season. Who in the world would want to go there?

Ristolainen sucks, they probably get better by moving him. Addition by subtraction.

 

[hawksfan50]

Listening to TSN 1200 in Ottawa this morning...They said Mason McTavish told them he had 2 Zoom interviews so far ...the 1st team to schedule him was Chicago ...tgec2nd was NYR ...

There is Probably no way he gets past the top ten ...NYR woukd need to trade up from 15 because he will certainly not be there..

Chicago's chance would be if McTavish lasts till #10 and Ottawa takes somebody else instead..


The radio hosts say a lot of mock drafts think Ottawa will take a goalie even though they have 6young goalies in their pipeline ...they think instead Ottawa needs another skilled player instead of a blue chip goalie ...they think Ottawa GM Pierre Dorion must be convinced that the goalie they would take was so Blue Chip and better than any of the goalies in their system that they could not possibly pass up the chance to grab Wallsted or Cossa.....Rather theyvthink it more likely Ottawa trades up to get thecsjilkedvpkayer they want OR they trade the pick to get an immediate player to insert into their top 6 or a dman to partner with Zub on tgec2nd pair.

So maybe if nobody takes McTavish too 9 ,he coukd possibly still get to #11 as Ottawa does something else or ifvtge team possibly trading with Ottawa for #1¥ wants a goalie instead of McTavish.

A lot of Chicago's choice at #11will be decided if both goalies go in top 10 ...thatcwoukd be the best chance for McTavish to last till#11.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Opinion:
Guys I'd be happy with the Hawks drafting:
McTavish
Raty
Lysell
Lambos

Guys I'd be "ok, I disagree but I get it"
Coronato
Lucius
Sillinger

I'd be pretty disgusted if they picked a goalie.

 

[Larmer83]

Opinion:
Guys I'd be happy with the Hawks drafting:
McTavish
Raty
Lysell
Lambos

Guys I'd be "ok, I disagree but I get it"
Coronato
Lucius
Sillinger

I'd be pretty disgusted if they picked a goalie.

There's a possibility that one, or more, of McTavish, Lysell, Lucius, and Sillinger are selected prior to #11. Lambos is a longshot. I be hard pressed to come up with any scenario in which Raty is picked in the top 10. But then again, all it takes is one team with a chubby for a certain player.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

There's a possibility that one, or more, of McTavish, Lysell, Lucius, and Sillinger are selected prior to #11. Lambos is a longshot. I be hard pressed to come up with any scenario in which Raty is picked in the top 10. But then again, all it takes is one team with a chubby for a certain player.

That would be great, then a guy like Johnson or Edvinsson falls to the Hawks. I'd run to the podium if either were on the board.

 

[Larmer83]

That would be great, then a guy like Johnson or Edvinsson falls to the Hawks. I'd run to the podium if either were on the board.

I doubt it would be Edvinsson. His skating, size, and physicality is hard to pass. Even with numerous brain farts.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

could see the Hawks picking Lambos if they plan to move some defense in a trade such as Seth Jones deal

 

[Kevin Musto]

could see the Hawks picking Lambos if they plan to move some defense in a trade such as Seth Jones deal

Decisions aren't made that way.